UTOPIA to SIEGE

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UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Col_Fury » Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:28 pm

For the most part, the MCP is caught up to Utopia/Exodus, the Uncanny X-Men/Dark Avengers crossover. I’d like to build a reference spine from Utopia to the Siege crossover, so we can build character chronologies from it.

Looking at chronologies we already have from the recent Index series (mainly Wolverine and Spider-Man with some others), we already know this:

UTOPIA
UX 515-516
X-Men @v3 1
X:L 228-229
DPOOL4 16-19
DARKA 9-12
NA 55-60
TB 134-136 / Secret Warriors 7-9
CA 600
CA:REBORN 1-6
DRList: Avengers
NA@ 3
(red) HULK 14-17
DRList: Daredevil
PSYLOCKE 1-4
XFOR:S&V 1-3
XFOR3 12-25 / C3 13-15
DRList: X-Men
DRList: Secret Warriors
Secret Warriors 10-15
DRList: Punisher
P8 11-16
DRList: Hulk
DARKW 80
W:O 41-45
DRList: Wolverine
ASM 606-611
Peter Parker 1-5
DRList: ASM
ASM 612-614
XvsATLAS 1-2
UX 516-522
W:WX 6-9
DOOMWAR 1-6
HERC 137
Vengeance of Moon Knight 1-7
FF 574
Assault on New Olympus
HERC 138-141
ASM 615-623
JACKPOT 1-3
DPOOL4 19-21
AvsATLAS 1-4
IM5 14-20
WWHulks (H2 607-608 / red HULK 22)
Siege: Cabal
SIEGE


I kind of slapped this together, but it’s a good starting point.

There is definitely stuff missing from this list, such as…

Avengers: the Initiative #26-30?
Black Panther v5 #7-12?
Cable v3 #16-24?
Dardevil #500-???
Dark Avengers: Ares #1-3?
Dark Wolverine #76-79?
Fantastic Four #575-???
(red) Hulk #???
Incredible Hulk #???
Mighty Avengers #32-34?
Ms. Marvel v2 #48-50?
Secret Warriors #16-???
Thunderbolts v2 #137-140
X-Factor v3 #???

What else takes place after Utopia and before the Siege crossover? And when?

Once we’ve nailed this down, we’ll move on to the Siege crossover.
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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Clive_Reston » Sat May 02, 2015 1:11 am

Mighty Avengers 32-34 take place shortly after Realm of Kings: Inhumans #2 and before Assault on New Olympus. (Is Realm of Kings otherwise synched up with this stuff?)

Dark Wolverine #80 is pre-Siege, too.

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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Col_Fury » Sat May 02, 2015 11:01 am

Oh yeah, Realm of Kings. Added to the list!

If I recall correctly, there has to be a gap somewhere in Mighty Avengers to accommodate the rest of the Marvel universe. I'll flip back through those issues and see what I can find for passing-of-time references or whatnot.

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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Emerald_616 » Sat May 09, 2015 5:00 pm

Necrosha happens, which involves New Mutants and X-Men Legacy in addition to X-Force. Though that my be covered by the X-Force entry in the list.


This is somewhat related, but does anyone else visit Uncannyxmen.net? They have an entire database of X-Men issue summaries with character appearances. Do you all think this could be an opportunity for collaboration to get issue summaries for recent X-Related books so they can be added to the project faster?

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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Paul Bourcier » Sun May 10, 2015 1:01 pm

Avengers: the Initiative #26-30?
A:I 28-30 (and also the first 16 pages of A:I 31) happen early in this span. In this arc, Osborn is looking to fill vacant spots in the Cabal (A:I 31), so it's after Exodus. There's a reference (A:I 29) to dead criminals pursuing Punisher, so the arc is after PUN8 10. The reference (A:I 30) to the new Sorcerer Supreme puts the arc after NA 54. Loki is in his male form in this arc (A:I 31), so it's after T 601. Hood is de-powered in A:I 28-30, so the arc occurs before NA 55.
Black Panther v5 #7-12?
The bulk of this arc occurs "days" before DOOMWAR. BP5 7 (1-13) is a week before BP5 7 (4-22), which is a month after BP5 6. BP5 8-10 occur "days" after BP5 7 (4-22). BP5 11-12 may occur the next day, and those last two issues occur "days" before DOOMWAR begins.
Dark Avengers: Ares #1-3?
I have this mini sometime between DARKA 12 and Secret Warriors 10.
Dark Wolverine #76-79?
DARKW 78-79 lead into DARKW 80.

DARW 76-77 follow right from DARKW 75. This arc occurs after DR:FF 5, and I have Noh-Varr in DARKW 76 before DARKA 5, so this would all be before Utopia.
Fantastic Four #575-???
Each issue in FF 575-579 can stand alone and FF 580-581 occur on the same night. There can be gaps between them, and none of these issues tie in tightly with other comics. They might all occur after Siege.

You do have FF 574 in the Utopia-to-Siege chronology, and FF 570-573, which take about two weeks, lead into FF 574.
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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Paul Bourcier » Sun May 10, 2015 3:05 pm

Damn. I composed a long post about Hulk but it disappeared into the ether, probably at the time the posts were consolidated.

A condensed version follows...
(red) Hulk #???
I have (red) Hulk 14-17 between PUN8 10 and DRList:Pun.
WWHulks (H2 607-608 / red HULK 22)
The Fall of the Hulks/World War Hulk arc includes the following, though not in this specific order:
Fall of the Hulks: Red Hulk 1-4
H2 604-611
Fall of the Hulks: Gamma 1
(red) Hulk 19-24 (1-21)
Fall of the Hulks: Savage She-Hulks 1-3
World War Hulks: Captain America vs. Wolverine 1-2
World War Hulks: Spider-Man vs. Thor 1-2
Hulked Out Heroes 1-2

Then World War Hulks 1 occurs between this arc and Siege.
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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Paul Bourcier » Sun May 10, 2015 3:33 pm

Mighty Avengers #32-34?
MA 32-33 occur before NA 55-60. MA 34 between CA:REBORN 6 and HERC 129.

HERC 129-131 is a one-day arc.
HERC 132, 134, 136 is a two-day arc.
HERC 133, 135, 137 is a one-day arc.

These are all before Assault on New Olympus.
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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Somebody » Sun May 10, 2015 4:56 pm

Paul Bourcier wrote:Damn. I composed a long post about Hulk but it disappeared into the ether, probably at the time the posts were consolidated.
I promise I didn't delete any posts until after I'd already copied & saved everything out of them into the consolidated post...

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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Col_Fury » Sun May 10, 2015 11:01 pm

Thanks, folks!

It looks like for the most part, this is the majority of what we’re looking for. There are some odds and ends not included, like the first few issues of New Mutants v3, or possibly some issues of X-Factor v3, or the cosmic books, but those stick to their own corners of the universe, for the most part.

Here’s where we’re at:

UTOPIA
UX 515-516
X-Men @v3 1
X:L 228-230
DPOOL4 16-18
DARKA 9-12
A:I 29-30, 31 (1 - 16)
Realm of Kings
NA 55-60
TB 134-136 / Secret Warriors 7-9
BW:DO 1-4
CA 600
CA:REBORN 1-6
TB 137
DRList: Avengers
NA@ 3
(red) HULK 14-17
DRList: Daredevil
PSYLOCKE 1-4
XFOR:S&V 1-3
XFOR3 12-25 / C3 13-15
DRList: X-Men
DRList: Secret Warriors
Secret Warriors 10-16
DRList: Punisher
P8 11-16
DRList: Hulk
DARKW 78-80
W:O 41-45
DRList: Wolverine
ASM 606-611
Peter Parker 1-5
DRList: ASM
Torch 1-8
ASM 612-614
XvsATLAS 1-2
MA 32-33
UX 516-522
MA 34
DD 501-507
W:WX 6-9
IM5 14-24
BP5 7-12
DOOMWAR 1-6
HERC 129-137
Vengeance of Moon Knight 1-7
FF 570-574
Assault on New Olympus
HERC 138-141
ASM 615-623
JACKPOT 1-3
DPOOL4 19-21
AvsATLAS 1-4
H2 604-611 / red HULK 19-24
WWHulks
ASM 624-637
TB 138-140
Siege: Cabal
SIEGE

For the Siege crossover itself, check out Paul B.’s super sweet Siege chronology!

Up next: SIEGE to FEAR ITSELF
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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Russ Chappell » Mon May 11, 2015 9:12 pm

Paul Bourcier wrote:A:I 28-30 (and also the first 16 pages of A:I 31) happen early in this span. .... Hood is de-powered in A:I 28-30, so the arc occurs before NA 55.
Leading to...
Col_Fury wrote:Here’s where we’re at:

UTOPIA
UX 515-516
X-Men @v3 1
X:L 228-229
DPOOL4 16-19
DARKA 9-12
A:I 29-30, 31 (1 - 16)
Realm of Kings
MA 32-33
NA 55-60
According to the Avengers Index, Razor-Fist appears in A:I 29 between NA 57 and NA 60, which I admit, looks a little odd. Daron, I believe when you audited the Avengers Index, you said to place Razor-Fist in A:I 29 after NA 60 (although I may have mis-transcribed). I've temporarily moved it to reflect the Index.

So. Which is correct for A:I 29? Before NA 55? Before NA 60? After NA 60?

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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Col_Fury » Mon May 11, 2015 9:33 pm

A:I 28-30 has to occur before NA 55 (or at least the section of NA 55 that happens after UTOPIA) for the Hood, so A:I 29 is before NA 55 for everybody.

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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Russ Chappell » Fri May 15, 2015 8:52 pm

Col_Fury wrote:X-Men @v3 1
X:L 228-229
DPOOL4 16-19
X:L 228-230, no?

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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Col_Fury » Sat May 16, 2015 4:19 am

Yes, X:L 230 caps the plot. :thumbsup:
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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Russ Chappell » Sun May 17, 2015 1:36 pm

Col_Fury wrote:DPOOL4 16-19
DARKA 9-12
A:I 29-30, 31 (1 - 16)
Realm of Kings
MA 32-33
NA 55-60
TB 134-136 / Secret Warriors 7-9
BW:DO 1-4
CA 600
CA:REBORN 1-6
TB 137
DRList: Avengers
NA@ 3
(red) HULK 14-17
DRList: Daredevil
PSYLOCKE 1-4
XFOR:S&V 1-3
XFOR3 12-25 / C3 13-15
DRList: X-Men
DRList: Secret Warriors
Secret Warriors 10-16
DRList: Punisher
P8 11-16
DRList: Hulk
DARKW 78-80
W:O 41-45
DRList: Wolverine
ASM 606-611
Peter Parker 1-5
DRList: ASM
ASM 612-614
XvsATLAS 1-2
UX 516-522
MA 34
DD 501-507
W:WX 6-9
BP5 7-12
DOOMWAR 1-6
HERC 129-137
Vengeance of Moon Knight 1-7
FF 570-574
Assault on New Olympus
HERC 138-141
ASM 615-623
JACKPOT 1-3
DPOOL4 19-21
This implies that there's a break between pages of DPOOL4 19. While it's possible to insert a break, I don't see the need for it. I'm more comfortable beginning this listing with DPOOL4 16-18.

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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Russ Chappell » Sun May 17, 2015 5:04 pm

This chronology leaves A:I in the middle of issue 31, while Paul's Siege chronology picks up with issue 32. Where would we place the end of A:I 31, which appears to lead into SIEGE?

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