Minor tweaks around SECWARSII#3-4

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Minor tweaks around SECWARSII#3-4

Post by robfj » Wed May 11, 2016 11:49 am

This should be the last of my tinkering with Secret Wars II.

It has been well-argued that ILLUM2#3 occurs after SECWARSII#3, and I'm not going to tamper with that. But I think there's a problem with the chronology of Mr Fantastic.

BEYONDER
....
SECWARSII 3 (1 - 9:6)
FF 282
SECWARSII 3 (9:7 - 15)
DPTU-FB
SECWARSII 3 (16 - 25:2)
A 260 **
SECWARSII 3 (25:3 - 25:5)
NA:ILLUM2 3 **
DD 223
....

MR. FANTASTIC/REED RICHARDS
....
FF 282
FF 283
FF 284
NA:ILLUM2 3 **
SH 11-FB
M/GN 18
A 259-BTS **
FF@ 19 (1 - 31)
FF@ 19 (32 - 39) ~ A@ 14
FF@ 19 (40)
SECWARSII 5
....

Given that Av#259 precedes Av#260 we have ILLUM2#3 on both sides of it.

Av#259-260 and Av@14~FF@19 are all part of 1 continuous story, and Av#260 is firmly embedded within SECWARSII#3. So for ILLUM2#3 to follow SECWARSII#3 it must also be after Av#259, and MrF's chronology must be altered to:-
MR. FANTASTIC/REED RICHARDS
....
FF 282
FF 283
FF 284
SH 11-FB
M/GN 18
A 259-BTS
FF@ 19 (1 - 31)
FF@ 19 (32 - 39) ~ A@ 14
FF@ 19 (40)
NA:ILLUM2 3 moved from after FF 284
SECWARSII 5
....



The same area reveals another potential problem with Jarvis.

JARVIS, EDWIN
....
CA 310
A 259
FF@ 19
SECWARSII 3
A 261
FF 285
....

His SECWARSII#3 app is in the section the Beyonder chronology labels (16 - 25:2) where he tells the B to go find the Avengers in the Skrull galaxy (which he does in Av#260). Comparing with MrF this sounds like that SECWARS section is both before and after Av#259-260. But a closer examination reveals that things are not so simple because FF@19 overlaps with the whole of Av#259-260 and @14.

Jarvis' app on p7 of Av#259 is closely followed by that on p9 of FF@19. My reasoning is that on p6 of Av#259 we see She-Hulk and Wyatt Wingfoot off to a double-date with Mr and Mrs Richards (which is why MrF and Invisible Woman are BTS in this issue) while p9-11 of FF@19 sees that double-date (and Johnny Storm's with Alicia Masters) interrupted by Jarvis' phone calls. The Avengers leave for space straight after Av#259 p7 and J calls in the FF in FF@19 p9 because they've gone. J's chat with Beyonder in SECWARSII#3 p24-25:2 where he sends B after the Avengers results in B immediately transporting himself to the Skrull galaxy where he arrives in Av#260 p17. So it's quite reasonable for J's sequence to be
A 259 (7)
FF@ 19 (9)
SECWARSII 3 (24 - 25:2)



Before leaving this area I should mention

WINGFOOT, WYATT
....
SECWARSII 2
FF 280 (11:2 - 22)
M/GN 18
A 259
FF@ 19-BTS
M/GN 18
M/FAN 37/2
....

which has M/GN#18 both before and after the Av#259/FF@#19 group. There isn't any reason to split M/GN#18 in 2, and the rest of the FF (including She-Hulk) have it all before that adventure. So I think the 2nd entry is just a slip-up.

WINGFOOT, WYATT
....
SECWARSII 2
FF 280 (11:2 - 22)
M/GN 18
A 259
FF@ 19-BTS
(M/GN 18 deleted)
M/FAN 37/2
....



Moving on to SECWARSII#4

CAPTAIN AMERICA/STEVEN "GRANT" ROGERS
....
A@ 14 (1 - 29)
A@ 14 (30 - 39) ~ FF@ 19
A@ 14 (40)
A 261 (1 - 11:2)
SECWARSII 4
A 261 (11:3 - 23)
SECWARSII 5
....

is the only Avenger who's given an app in that issue. Their presence on p19-22 is immediately revealed to be an illusion created by Beyonder. But Cap's face also has a panel on p4, so either that's the reason for his entry here or it's a mistake.

But the panels on that page are only Beyonder remembering people who's minds he's scanned. Others on that page (Cindy Adams and Brandy Clark from the Rom comic, Thing and Silver Surfer) don't rate entries in their chronologies. (However Ronald Reagan *does*.) I suppose it depends if you think they rate as flashbacks, then the others should be added for consistency. I'd go for deleting the 2 odd-ones-out.

CAPTAIN AMERICA/STEVEN "GRANT" ROGERS
....
A@ 14 (1 - 29)
A@ 14 (30 - 39) ~ FF@ 19
A@ 14 (40)
A 261 expanded from (1 - 11:2)
(SECWARSII 4 deleted)
(A 261 (11:3 - 23) deleted)
SECWARSII 5
....

REAGAN, RONALD WILSON
....
FF 269
UX 185-BTS
(SECWARSII 4 deleted)
UX 201
A@ 15-BTS
....

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