michel wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 10:43 pm
Shouldn't CM 57 be placed before CM 55-56? It looks like a fill-in, Drax is announced for the next issue in CM 56 but only appears in CM 58. But above all, Rick Jones flies to France in CM 55 "for the beginning of Rick's showcase tour of the continent," the Deathgrip incident lasts two days, and Rick would be back in New York before Cap goes back to the Denver's observatory at the beginning of CM 58?
In light of Leoparis's comments, i've read thru all of these issues again, and i agree that CM 57 should be taken out from between CM 56 & 58. CM 57 is just a few days after A@ 7, and serves as an epilogue to the Thanos storyline, but it’s a filler issue and breaks the story flow between CM 56 & 58, which was advertised as the following issue at the end of CM 56.
In reviewing all of these Captain Marvel appearances, it appears that CM 55-59 (1 - 3) has been placed too early due to being tied to CM 57.
Here's how i believe Mar-Vell's timeline should look for this period..
CAPTAIN MARVEL/CAPT. MAR-VELL/"DR. WALTER LAWSON"
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CM 57 [July 78][CM in Manhattan. Filler issue, interrupts story between CM 56 & 58. Days after A@ 7 and defeat of Thanos, and serves an epilogue to those events]
CM 55-56 [March-May 78]
CM 58 (1 - 3) [Sept 78]
A 168 [Feb 78][CM in Manhattan]
A 172-BTS [June 78]
MSM 19 [Aug 78][CM in Manhattan. Meets up with Carol for the first time since she became Ms Marvel]
A 173-176 [July-Oct 78][CM in Manhattan with Ms Marvel & the Avengers]
A 177 (1 - 4:3) [Nov 78]
FF@ 24/2 (2)-FB
A 177 (4:4 - 12:3)
FF@ 24/2 (3:1)-FB
A 177 (12:4 - 18) [Nov 78]
A:KS
T 271 [May 78][CM probably in Manhattan]
A 227-FB
M/TU 74 [Oct 78][CM doesn't appear, but Rick Jones appears on SNL (I must have missed that episode!). Before DEF 62-63 for Ms Marvel, as she’s still working for Woman magazine in M/TU 76-77, which are after M/TU 74 for Spider-Man. Currently placed between CM 57 & CM 60 for Rick]
DEF 62-63 [Aug-Sept 78][CM hanging out with Ms Marvel & the Defenders on Long Island. Defenders story continues to DEF 68, Feb 79]
MSM2 35-FB [CM with Ms Marvel at the Cape]
CM 55-56 [March-May 78][CM first heads to Colorado. Rick begins world tour, which could be as a result of his exposure on SNL]
CM 58-62 [Sept 78-May 79][CM heads into space with Drax]
M/SPT2 1-3 [July-Nov 79][CM is heading back to Earth]
M/TIO 45 [Nov 78][CM in Colorado]
M/S-H3 3/5 [Starts in Colorado, ends in NYC]
CM 58 (4 - 17)-62 [Sept 78-May 79][CM heads into space with Drax]
M/SPT2 1-3 [July-Nov 79][CM is heading back to Earth]
A 181 [March 79][CM takes his leave of the Avengers]
FF@ 14 [Dec 79][CM in Manhattan with Ms Marvel, the Defenders, and the Avengers]
M/SPT2 4 [Jan 80][CM in Colorado]
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Breaking CM 57 from the rest of the issues allows CM 55-56, 58-62, and M/SPT2 1-3 to proceed in an uninterrupted fashion, as they were written, eliminating the forced break in CM 58, and allowing this story to be placed where it belongs, at the beginning of Mar-Vell's sojourn in Colorado.
Leoparis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:32 amThe premise of A 181 is that it's not so long after A 177 since all the people involved in A 177 are still around and the collapse of Quicksilver is attributed to recent happenings--kidnapped by the Collector, mind-wiped by Moondragon. You also have the Maximoff subplot starting in A 166, leaving from Vladivostok, continuing in A 173 and reaching fruition in A 181. (A container ship takes 51 days to reach NYC but adding a one-year long storyline.)
Iron Man suggests the recent happenings to Quicksilver as a possibility for his collapse, although that's not the real reason, and the container ship may have had breakdowns, quarantine problems, etc. It's not perfect, i know.
Leoparis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:32 amOne reason that so many issues wind up between A 177 and A 181 is that the earliest chronologies (which tried to avoid breaks within issues) tended to keep A 167-177 and A 181-189 together, but there are breaks (identified since) inside both these storylines.
(This earlier way of organizing issues led to things like adding dozens of issues between IH2 207 & 208 even though the narration of 208 places it right after 207.)
My point: we stick too many issues between A 177 and A 181 and the Captain Marvel storyline on Titan in 1979 is one that can be easily shifted according to its release dates and lack of interaction with other series. That absence of Captain Marvel from Earth was acknowledged by the absence of guest appearances.
I'm still not really seeing any way to bring A 181 back to before Mar-Vell heads into space for these issues, but this sequence at least brings Mar-Vell back to Manhattan in M/S-H3 3/5, and places him there for A 181. There are really no more issues between the Korvac Saga and A 181 for Mar-Vell than there are for Captain America, Iron Man and Thor. There are a number of issues of Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Ms Marvel, Marvel Team-Up, Daredevil, and Defenders for our various characters during this period of time. A 181 is also more closely linked to HSMASHA 2, which needs to be taken into consideration. HSMASHA 2 upset the timeline established in the old indexes, which linked A 181 more closely to previous issues.
What do you think?