Yellow Claw Correction, it was the actual Yellow Claw BTS

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Yellow Claw Correction, it was the actual Yellow Claw BTS

Post by Enda80 » Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:52 am

A point of clarification on the Yellow Claw's entry: it was the true Yellow Claw behind the attack on the Statue of Liberty in Strange Tales I#160 to Strange Tales I#161, not the robot double of him created by Doctor Doom. Therefore, neither Doctor Doom or the Prime Mover deserve BTS credit for ST I#160.

According to the Yellow Claw's Handbook entry,

"In more recent years the Yellow Claw sent troops whom he had reduced to slaves with no wills of their own to invade the Statue of Liberty secretly. There the troops were to activate an "id paralyzer" device that was to sap the wills of the people of the United States, thereby enabling the Yellow Claw to take over the country. This scheme was thwarted, however, by Colonel Nicholas Fury of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Captain America, who used a special weapon designed by Reed Richards. The Yellow Claw, himself did not come to the Statue of Liberty, but instead directed his troops through psionic means from afar."

The Handbook lists the Yellow Claw's "telepathic voice" as appearing in Strange Strange Tales I#160. The wording above suggests it was in fact the true Yellow Claw who directed the Statue of Liberty invasion. The Fantastic Four Index#3's entries for FF Annual#3, when referencing the appearance of Captain America, Nick Fury, the Thing, and Mister Fantastic in the fb story in Strange Tales I#160-161 simply describe the incident as the "Yellow Claw's New York invasion" as does the comments section. In the Avengers Index#1 (1987), in the entry for Avengers I#18, under comments, the incident is again described as the "Yellow Claw's New York invasion" and refers to the "Yellow Claw's minions".

Strange Tales I#160 was published in 1967. The story proper commenced with a flashback to the 1965 New York Blackout (an actual historical event, obviously a topical reference; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_Blackout_of_1965; Olshevsky in Avengers Index#1 entry for Avengers I#18 dismisses the reference to November in this story as topical and states the Statue of Liberty incident took place in June, shortly after Reed and Sue married in Avengers Annual#3, a construal that Marvel Saga#23 elaborates upon by saying that it took place just after Reed and Sue got married and Sue moved her things out of Glenville), as Fury, teamed with Captain America to investigate reports of costumed invaders on Bedloe's Island in the Statue of Liberty. This flashback story continues into #161. In the present of 1967, Fury related, "We never located the source of the invasion... or who was behind it!".

In the present day portion of the story, a figure resembling the Yellow Claw is seen observing Nick Fury, Captain America, and Jimmy Woo from a scrying crystal. This figure was revealed to be a Doctor Doom built double of the Yellow Claw, and is the Yellow Claw robot whose chronology entry appears below. However, as I have noted above, the Statue of Liberty incident took place "two years" earlier and the Handbook and Indexes credit the true Yellow Claw with masterminding it.

So in sum, the true Yellow Claw was bts to the fb to the "1965" Statue of Liberty incident shown in Strange Tales I#160-161, while the "Yellow Claw" seen observing Captain America, Fury, and Woo in the present of "1967" in #161 was the Doom-built Robot.

Sidebar question: Was Tales of Suspense #78, published in 1966, supposed to represent the reunion of Fury and Cap in the modern era?

YELLOW CLAW/TZING JAO/"BHAGWAN SRI ANANDA"
INV 41
YC 1
YC 1/3
YC 1/5
YC 2
YC 2/3
YC 2/4
YC 2/6
YC 3
YC 3/3
YC 3/4
YC 3/6
YC 4
YC 4/3
YC 4/4
YC 4/6
CA 166-FB
M/:LG 3
M/:LG 7 ~ M/:LG 3
M/:LG 3
**{ST 160-FB-BTS}
ST 161-FB-BTS
CA 164
CA 165
.................................



YELLOW CLAW ROBOT
{ST 161}
ST 162
ST 163
ST 164/2
ST 165
ST 166/2
ST 167

Since the true Yellow was behind the Statue of Liberty incident, then that means that Doctor Doom and the Prime Mover had nothing to do with it, therefore, they only receive BTS credit for the present portion of Strange Tales I#161 Therefore:

DOCTOR DOOM

FF 40
FF 43
FF@ 3
ST 161-BTS
A 24
A 25
FF 56
FF 57
FF 58


PRIME MOVER
ST 161-BTS
ST 162-BTS
ST 163-BTS
ST 164/2-BTS
ST 165-BTS
ST 166/2-BTS
ST 167
GSDEF 3
MOKF 59

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Re: Yellow Claw Correction, it was the actual Yellow Claw BTS

Post by Enda80 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:01 pm

I should also note that the Bedloe Island invaders were captured by SHIELD and I have come across no mention of them being robots; Doctor Doom's Suwan and Voltzmann robots were easily exposed upon examination.

Quick note about the Yellow Claw; I posted a thread about a continuity issue viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3904.

Incidentally, the letters page to What If I#22 first established that (one guesses framing sequence aside), What If#9 did not take place on Earth-616.


However, as I recall, Contest of Champions#3, in its appendix to Marvel characters, did reference info from What If I#9, as did the Master Edition of the Handbook for the 3-D Man and Marvel Boy II entries.

http://www.geocities.com/jjnevins/wicks9.html
Marvel Boy fought an evil automaton called the Human Robot. Defeating the robot, Marvel Boy used his knowledge of Uranian science to re-program the robot so that it fought for good.
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Re: Yellow Claw Correction, it was the actual Yellow Claw BTS

Post by Col_Fury » Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:54 pm

Enda80, I've moved this post of yours because there was no need to revive an eight month old thread for the information presented. You've said nothing contesting the chronology of the Yellow Claw in relation to Agents of ATLAS 1-6 here, so I've merged it with you most recent post.
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