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Citizen V and the V-Battalion

Post by Leoparis » Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:21 am

Continuing to track Fred Davis's appearances

#1 June 2001
Fred Davis
Roger Aubrey [Destroyer]
Diamondback [Rachel Leighton]
Citizen V [John Watkins III/Helmut Zemo]
Isadora Martinez
Robert Frank Jr [Nuklo]
Ameiko Sabuki [Goldfire]
Darren Mitchell [Topspin]
Andrea Sterman
Elizabeth Barstow [Silver Scorpion]
Iron Cross [Helmut Gruler]

Andrea Von Strucker
Andreas Von Strucker
A.I.M.
MODOK

#2
Roger Aubrey
Fred Davis
Elizabeth Barstow
Nuklo [Robert Frank Jr]
Iron Cross
Topspin [Darren Mitchell]
Goldfire [Ameiko Sabuki]
Andrea Sterman
Citizen V [John Watkins III/Helmut Zemo]
Irène Martinez
Namor

Attuma
Andrea Von Strucker
Andreas Von Strucker
A.I.M.
MODOK

page 10 panel 4 flashback "decades ago" Namor declines a position in the V-Battalion [Destroyer, Angel, Iron Cross]
(must be in 1951 when the Battalion is formed again after the war)

page 14 panel 1 flashbacks, five Roger Aubrey accomplishments (in chronological sequence from the looks of the characters):
"kept alien technology out of the wrong hands"
Destroyer, Silver Scorpion, Whizzer, Pr Sabuki, Reb Ralston, dead Skrulls
(since they're in costumes and that's where they acquire their advanced technology, I'd put this close to the start of their team, possibly as the formin event)

"saved the entire planet from other-dimensional attack"
Destroyer, Human Top, Iron Cross, Golden Girl [Gwenny Lou Sabuki]

"petitioned cosmic forces to spare mankind for the scientific excesses of a few"
Watcher (dialog: "Take Richards and Stark with you") Destroyer, Iron Cross, Nathaniel Richards, Howard Stark
(Still the 50s if we take into account Richards and Stark's chronology in Hickman's Shield)

"secretly helped prevent the genocide of the entire mutant race"
Destroyer (dialog: "He calls it Cerebro"), Iron Cross, ?, Golden Girl [Gwenny Lou Sabuki], Cerebro
(start of the modern era)

"worked in the most subtle of fashions"
Roger Aubrey, "newly-elected Senator" Reb Ralston


#3 Aug 2001
Baron Strucker
Andrea Strucker (dies)
Andreas Strucker
Hydra
Citizen V [John Watkins III/Helmut Zemo]
Andrea Sterman
Roger Aubrey [Destroyer]
Fred Davis
Elizabeth Barstow
Iron Cross (dies)
Topspin
Goldfire
Nuklo
Jim Hammond
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Citizen V and the V-Battalion - The Everlasting

Post by Leoparis » Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:40 am

Continuing to track Fred Davis appearances and looking for any flashbacks to include in his chronology.

#1 March 2002
1953 flashback Brian Falsworth funeral (it's hard to identify every character--21 shown on page 1)
1. Jack Frost
2. Whizzer
3. Miss America
4. Blue Diamond
5. Thin Man
6. Namor
7. Elizabeth Barstow [Silver Scorpion]
8. Jacqueline Falsworth [Spitfire]
9. Roger Aubrey [Destroyer]
10. Thomas Halloway [Angel]
11. Lord Falsworth
12. Helmut Gruler [Iron Cross]
13. Davy Michell [Human Top]
14. Gwenny Lou Sabuki [Golden Girl]
15. Irene Martinez
16. Fred Davis ?
17. Sam Sabuki?
18.
19.
20.
21.

Lord Crichton (on page 3, not matching any page 1 character)

(not at the funeral, but on mission) Citizen V [Paulette Brazee]
Aqhat

Present day
Citizen V
Roger Aubrey
Elizabeth Barstow
Fred Davis
Nuklo
Goldfire
Topspin
Andrea Sterman

Aqhat
ULTIMATUM

#2 May 2001 (sic) [2002]
Prologue
1971: J.J. Watkins
Amahl Farouk
Roger Aubrey

Present:
Citizen V [John Watkins III]
Roger Aubrey
Elizabeth Barstow
Nuklo
Fred Davis
Goldfire [Ameiko] (dies)
Topspin
Andrea Sterman

Collective Man (dies)
ULTIMATUM
Flag-Smasher
Marduk
Papahanau-Mokou

#3 June 2001 (sic) [2002]
1981 flashback
Roger Aubrey
Zoltan Nestor [Marduk]
Aqhat
Papahanau-Mokou

Present:
Flag-Smasher
ULTIMATUM
Alphan Flight [Guardian, Snowbird]
Avengers [Vision, Captain America, Ms. Marvel]
Winter Guard [Ursa Major; ? (Titanium Man or Crimson Dynamo)]
Marduk
Roger Aubrey
Elizabeth Barstow
Fred Davis
Andrea Sterman
Jim Hammond
Citizen V [John Watkins III]
Topspin
Human Top
Aqhat
Papahanau-Mokou

#4
Prologue 950 AD
Marduk
Thor

Present:
ULTIMATUM
Marduk
Roger Aubrey
Elizabeth Barstow
Jim Hammond
Fred Davis
Andrea Sterman
Citizen V [John Watkins III]
Aqhat
Papahanau-Mokou
Topspin [Darren Mitchell]

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William Naslund Chronology

Post by Leoparis » Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:56 pm

I will tackle this one first as it is shorter. The main correction deals with the fact the current chronology puts all the narrative from What If 4 leading to All Winners 19 (May 1945-Fall 1946) together before the Timely issues of 1945-1946

CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 53/3-FB (childhood memories)
INV 14
INV 15
CA5 4-FB (Spirit of '76 fighting on after Crusaders disband)
CA@ 13-FB (April 1945 mission with Cap & Patriot)
CA 215 (11:2 - 11:4)-FB (appointed as Cap)
CA & B 625 fb1 (Naslund & Davis wait for a meeting with Truman) (Davis with blond hair)
The Twelve 1 (Cap & Bucky in Berlin on April 25, 1945) (Bucky with brown hair)
(Note: One idea to handle the hair color discrepancy, since Cap & Bucky aren't seen together, one could imagine that this is Naslund before Davis is appointed as his partner and that the Bucky here is Vali Halfling/Agamemnon who was hinted in Peter David's Hulk to have been Bucky)

CA & B 625 fb3 May 1945 (Cap & Bucky behind the door) (Bucky with blond hair)
WI 4 (12-14) (Cap & Bucky presented to the Invaders) (Bucky with blond hair)
CA & B 626 fb (Bucky with Captain America, Namor, Human Torch vs Nazi scientist and zombies) (Note: Even though Truman assigns the Invaders to the Pacific, I put this here while the war is still going on in Europe. Alternately, this could take place during the Potsdam conference while Cap is in Germany as bodyguard)
WI 4 15 (Cap & Bucky vs Japanese soldiers) (Note: can take place any time before Japan's surrender)
CA@ 6 June 1945 (in the Pacific) An inexperienced Naslund transported to an alternate Earth to fight Adam II with three other Caps
Captain America Comics 49 Cover date Aug 45, events from June 45 (in the US)
Captain America Comics 49/3 (in the US)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 49/4 (in the US)
USA COMICS 17 Cvr date Fall 1945 (in the US)
ALL-SELECT COMICS 9 Fall 1945 (in the US)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 50 Cvr date Oct 45 (in the US?)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 50/4 (in the US)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 50/3 (in India)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 51 cvr date Dec 45 (in the Pacific) Atom bomb just perfected (the Alamogordo test was on July 16)
N@ 1/3 Potsdam Conference (July 17-26)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 51/5 (in the Pacific)
WI?4 (17) panels 4-5 Invaders renamed All-Winners Squad (after Sept 2 1945)
SAGASM 5 p20 panel 3 Sub-Mariner takes a LOA from the All-Winners Squad (right after the previous sequence)
MKSM 9 fb (1945, superheroes [three main Invaders and others] "start showing up" and "say they're here to fight injustice") (Note: This is from the Official Index, this is just a fairly generic image from a dubious narrator, but if it's an actual flashback, it would be here, after VJ Day as seen in CA: MOT 5)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 51/3 (in the US)
ALL WINNERS COMICS 17/2 cvr date Winter 45 (in the US)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 52 cvr date Jan 46
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 52/3
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 53 cvr date Feb 46
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 53/3
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 54 cvr date Mar 46
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 54/3
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 54/4
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 55-FB cvr date Apr 46
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 55/2
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 55/4
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 56 cvr date May 46
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 56/2-FB
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 56/4
[ALL-SELECT COMICS 10] cvr date Summer 46
[ALL WINNERS COMICS 18/2] cvr date Summer 46
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 57 cvr date Jul 46
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 57/2
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 57/5
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 58 cvr date Sep 46
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 58/3
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 58/5
ALL WINNERS COMICS 19 cvr date Fall 46
ALL WINNERS COMICS 19/2
ALL WINNERS COMICS 19/7
WI? 4 (18:5 - 30:2) vs Adam II
CA 215 (12:1 - 12:2)-FB (Patriot finds the dying Naslund)
CA:P 1 (20) brings his body to the ship where he finds a spare uniform
CA&B 625 fb2 (p 11 panel 2) Bucky sees Cap's dead body
WI?4 p 34 Patriot carries the body of Spirit of '76 as the team follows in mourning (date given as Oct 4, 1946 in CA & B 627)
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Fred Davis chronology

Post by Leoparis » Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:37 am

The current chrono shares the same problem (as Naslund's chrono) with putting the 1945-46 All-Winners adventures before all the postwar Timely issues. This is not possible as the war with Japan is still going on in CAC #49-51.

M/PRM 30
CA & B 625 fb1 (Naslund & Davis wait for a meeting with Truman) (Davis with blond hair)
The Twelve 1 (Cap & Bucky in Berlin on April 25, 1945) (Bucky with brown hair)
(Note: One idea to handle the hair color discrepancy, since Cap & Bucky aren't seen together, one could imagine that this is Naslund before Davis is appointed as his partner and that the Bucky here is Vali Halfling/Agamemnon who was hinted in Peter David's Hulk to have been Bucky)

CA & B 625 fb3 May 1945 (Cap & Bucky behind the door) (Bucky with blond hair)
WI 4 (12-14) (Cap & Bucky presented to the Invaders) (Bucky with blond hair)
CA & B 626 fb (Bucky with Captain America, Namor, Human Torch vs Nazi scientist and zombies) (Note: Even though Truman assigns the Invaders to the Pacific, I put this here while the war is still going on in Europe. Alternately, this could take place during the Potsdam conference while Cap is in Germany as bodyguard)
WI 4 15 (Cap & Bucky vs Japanese soldiers) (Note: can take place any time before Japan's surrender)
CA@ 6 June 1945 (in the Pacific) Bucky and Invaders with a still inexperienced Naslund
Captain America Comics 49 Cover date Aug 45, events from June 45 (in the US)
Captain America Comics 49/3 (in the US)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 49/4 (in the US)
USA COMICS 17 Cvr date Fall 1945 (in the US)
KID KOMICS 9 Cvr date Fall 1945 (in the US in summer)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 50 Cvr date Oct 45 (in the US?)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 50/4 (in the US)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 50/3 (in India)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 51 cvr date Dec 45 (in the Pacific) Atom bomb just perfected (the Alamogordo test was on July 16)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 51/5 (in the Pacific)
WI?4 page 17 panels 4-5 Invaders renamed All-Winners Squad (after Sept 2 1945)
SAGASM 5 p20 panel 3 Sub-Mariner takes a LOA from the All-Winners Squad (right after the previous sequence)

CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 51/3 (in the US)
ALL WINNERS COMICS 17/2 cvr date Winter 45 (in the US)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 52 cvr date Jan 46
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 52/3
YOUNG ALLIES 18 Cvr date Winter 1945-46
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 53 cvr date Feb 46
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 53/3
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 54 cvr date Mar 46
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 54/3
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 54/4
YOUNG ALLIES 19 Cvr date Spring 1946
KID KOMICS 10 Cvr date Spring 1946
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 55-FB cvr date Apr 46
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 55/2
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 55/4
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 56 cvr date May 46
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 56/2-FB
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 56/4
ALL-SELECT COMICS 10 cvr date Summer 46
ALL WINNERS COMICS 18/2 cvr date Summer 46
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 57 cvr date Jul 46
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 57/2
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 57/5
M/MYSTERY 75/4 cvr date Aug 46
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 58 cvr date Sep 46
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 58/3
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 58/5
M/MYSTERY 76/4 cvr date Sep 46 (missing from current chrono?, per other indexes Bucky is in that story)
M/MYSTERY 77/4 cvr date Oct 46 (missing?)

M/MYSTERY 78/4 cvr date Nov 46
ALL WINNERS COMICS 19 cvr date Fall 46
ALL WINNERS COMICS 19/2
ALL WINNERS COMICS 19/7

WI? 4 (18:5 - 30:2) vs Adam II
CA&B 625 fb2 (p 11 panel 2) Bucky sees Cap's dead body
WI?4 (34) Patriot carries the body of Spirit of '76 as the team follows in mourning in CA & B 627)
CA&B 627-FB ("the night Captain America was killed" in mourning as Human Torch fails to console him, date given as Oct 4, 1946. On the other hand, CA:P 1 dates these events in July, C@13 dates it as Autumn 1946, the story is intended as the never-published All Winners #20, so falling between cover dates of Fall and Winter 1946)
CA:P 2 (date given as Sept 46, vs Soviet heroes in England)
CA:P 2 (Mace retires Patriot identity, 23 Sept 1946)


CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 59 cvr date Nov 1946 (new civil identities in Lee school)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 59/2
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 59/4
M/MYSTERY 79/4 cvr date Dec 46
ALL WINNERS COMICS 21-FB cvr date Winter 46-47
ALL WINNERS COMICS 21
ALL WINNERS COMICS 21/2
ALL WINNERS COMICS 21/7
ALL WINNERS COMICS 70AS
S-H2 22 (1946)
M/MYSTERY 80/5 cvr date Jan 47
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 60 cvr date Jan 47
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 60/2
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 60/5
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 61 cvr date Mar 47
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 61/2
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 61/5
M/MYSTERY 81/5 cvr date Mar 47
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 62 cvr date May 47
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 62/2
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 62/4
M/MYSTERY 82/4 cvr date May 47
M/MYSTERY 82/5
CA:P 2 February 1947 Cap & Bucky break up protector racket
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 63 cvr date Jul 47
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 63/2
M/MYSTERY 83/4 cvr date Jul 47
M/MYSTERY 83/5
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 64 cvr date Oct 47
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 64/2
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 64/4
M/MYSTERY 84/4 cvr date Oct 47
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 65 cvr date Jan 48
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 65/2
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 65/4
CA:P 2 December 1947, children freed from "Satan's workshop" in time for holidays
M/MYSTERY 86/4 cvr date Jun 48

Remove: CV 1-FB Destroyer [Aubrey] meets All Winners Squad in the late 40s[/s]
(Note: Bucky isn't seen in the fb so not in Fred Davis' chronology)

CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 66/4 cvr date Apr 48
CA:P 2 April 1948 All Winners celebrate Mace's birthday
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 66
CA:P 2 Bucky shot
CA:P 3 Bucky operated on
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 66
CA:P 3 Bucky recovers
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 71 cvr date Mar 49 Bucky released from hospital after six months (= Oct 1948)
CA:P 4 June 1950
CV2 1-FB 1953 (Fred Davis is probably depicted among the attendants of Brian Falsworth's burial)
{TB 38}
TB 39
TB 40
TB 49
CV 1
CV 2
CV 3
CV2 1
CV2 2
CV2 3
CV2 4
FS:IM
WS 6-FB
WS 1-FB
CA&B 625-628
WS 6 (dies)

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