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DOCTOR STRANGE

Post by Col_Fury » Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:54 am

What's been going on with Dr. Strange lately?

Here's the tail end of what we currently have for Dr. Strange's chronology with a couple of other appearances tossed in where we already know they happen:

DOCTOR STRANGE II/DR. STEPHEN VINCENT STRANGE/"STEPHEN SANDERS"

ASM 555-FB
[LASTDEF 3]
[FF 556]
[FF 557]
[A/INV 3]
[A/INV 4]
[A/INV 5]
[A/INV 6]
[A/INV 7]
[A/INV 8]
[A/INV 12]
[FF 562]
[NA: ILLUM2 5]
[SECINV 8-FB]
[MA 20]
T 602
[NA 51]
[NA 52]
[NA 53]
[NA 54]
[M/DIVAS 2]
[NA 55-BTS]
[NA 59]
[NA 60]
[XFOR3 25]
[DRV: OJD]
[DRV 1]
[DRV 4]
[IM5 22]
[IM5 23]
[IM5 24]
[DOOMWAR 6] (after IM5 24, before Siege)
[STRANGE2 1]
[STRANGE2 2]
[STRANGE2 3]
[STRANGE2 4] (before WWHulks & Siege for Doom)
[GIRL COMICS 2/6]
[SENTRY:FS] (after Siege)
[A4 1]
[TB 154] ("a week" before TB 155)
[FI 1] (Fear Itself)
[TB 155] (during Fear Itself)
[FI 2]
[IM2.0 6]
[IM2.0 7]
[FI 6]
[FI: DEEP 1]
[FI: DEEP 2]
[FI: DEEP 3]
[FI: DEEP 4]
[IM 509]
[AACAD 20]
[FI 7]
[A4 18] (after Fear Itself)
GR9 7-BTS | cf GR9 8
[VENOM2 13.1]
[VENOM2 13.2]
[VENOM2 13.4]
[VENOM2 14] (happens here for Ghost Rider)
GR9 9
[H4 50] (references Venom #13-14 as recent)
[H4 51]
[H4 52]
[NA2 24-FB] (Avengers vs. X-Men)
[NA2 24]
[AVX 1]
[A4 25]
[AVX 2]
[AVX 3]
[AVX 4]
[W&X 11]
[NA2 29]
[AVX 7]
[AVX 8]
[AVX 9]
[AVX 12-FB]
[AVX 11]
[UX2 18]

Here are the rest of Dr. Strange’s appearances that I can find:

Mystic Hands of Dr. Strange (May 2010)
-is this set in the past?

Hulk v4 #10-12 (April-June 2010)

Spider-Man: Fever #1 (June 2010)
-what’s up with this?

I am an Avengers #1 & #2/3 (November-December 2010)

Incredible Hulks #618-620 (March 2011)
-Chaos War

X-Men: To Serve & Protect #3/4 (March 2011)
-after Necrosha, but how long after?

New Avengers v2 #1-13 (August 2010-August 2011)

Avengers v4 #8-12 & #12.1 (February-June 2011)
-before Fear Itself

Avengers Academy #10-11 (May 2011)
-teaching Academy students about magic

Incredible Hulk #633-635 (September-October 2011)
-before Fear Itself

New Mutants v3 #28 (September 2011)

Avengers Annual #1 & New Avengers Annual #1 (March 2012)
-before Fear Itself

Iron Man 2.0 #1-FB
-did a magic background check on Palmer Addley, however long ago Palmer Addley started working for DARPA, probably not important right now

New Avengers v2 #15-16 (October-November 2011)
-Fear Itself, is Strange here?

Journey Into Mystery #629 (December 2011)
-Fear Itself, is Strange here?

Fear Itself: the Fearless #6-7, 9-12

Avengers v4 #19 (January 2012)
-after Fear Itself

New Avengers v2 #16.1, 17 & 19-23 (November 2011-May 2012)

Wolverine v4 #16 (November 2011)

F.F. #11 & FF #600 (December 2011-January 2012)
-after Fear Itself

Amazing Spider-Man #673 (January 2012)
-Spider-Island epilogue

Marvel Point One #1/6 (January 2012)

New Mutants v3 #37 (April 2012)

New Mutants v3 #44 & #48-50 (August-December 2012)
-“real” version or future version?

FF Annual #33, DD Annual #1 & W Annual #1 (September-October 2012)

Daredevil v3 #16 (October 2012)
-after Fear Itself

Avengers Assemble #6 (October 2012)
-before Avengers vs. X-Men

New Avengers v2 #31-34 (December 2012-January 2013)
-after Avengers vs. X-Men

Avengers v4 #34 (January 2013)
-after Avengers vs. X-Men

Wolverine & the X-Men #23 (March 2013)
-after Avengers vs. X-Men

Deadpool #2-3 (January-February 2013)
-now, pretty much

New Avengers v3 #1-2 (March 2012)
-now, pretty much

Any thoughts or placement suggestions?
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Re: DOCTOR STRANGE

Post by Michael » Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:02 am

Col_Fury wrote:Mystic Hands of Dr. Strange (May 2010)
-is this set in the past?
The first story takes place in between DRSTR2 13 and DRSTR2 19. The other stories are more difficult to place.
Col_Fury wrote:Spider-Man: Fever #1 (June 2010)
-what’s up with this?
This takes place before Strange lost the mantle of Sorcerer Supreme, but other than that, there aren't many placement clues.

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Re: DOCTOR STRANGE

Post by Paul Bourcier » Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:20 pm

Hulk v4 #10-12 (April-June 2010)
The Dr. Strange who appears here is plucked from the past by the Grandmaster, and there aren't a lot of clues to narrow this down in Strange's chronology very precisely.
I am an Avengers #1 & #2/3 (November-December 2010)
My notes say that IAAA 1 must occur after NA2 7 (Avengers Mansion is restored from damage seen in that issue)and that IAAA 2/3 must occur after SECA 4 (since Valkyrie is an Avenger).
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Re: DOCTOR STRANGE

Post by Col_Fury » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:29 am

Michael wrote:
Col_Fury wrote:Mystic Hands of Dr. Strange (May 2010)
-is this set in the past?
The first story takes place in between DRSTR2 13 and DRSTR2 19. The other stories are more difficult to place.
Thanks. For now, I'll just assume all the stories are set in the past (relative to the comic's publication date).
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Col_Fury wrote:Spider-Man: Fever #1 (June 2010)
-what’s up with this?
This takes place before Strange lost the mantle of Sorcerer Supreme, but other than that, there aren't many placement clues.
New Avengers #51-54 is where Dr. Strange loses the "Sorcerer Supreme" title, and those comics were published a year before Spider-Man: Fever. So at the very least, we can say Fever takes place in the past, but how far in the past?

A quick flip through Fever #1 and I see Adrian Toomes as the Vulture. The last time I recall Toomes active as the Vulture was Punisher War Journal #15 (from 2008) and then he's in prison in ASM #594 (from 2009, the same year as NA #51-54). Also, Dr. Strange seems (I know, I know) to have no trouble with his hands here, so this may be before he broke his hands in WWHulk (from 2007). WWHulk rang a bell for me about this:
Col_Fury wrote:FF Annual #33, DD Annual #1 & W Annual #1 (September-October 2012)
Which was discussed here: Fantastic Four Annual v1 #33

We ended up deciding these Annuals took place shortly before WWHulk. Spider-Man: Fever *MAY* take place there, also. BUT, in Fever #3, Spider-Man notices that Dr. Strange makes the same hand gestures when casting spells that Spider-Man makes when shooting webs. Now, this was probably just a Ditko joke, but how long did it take Spider-Man to notice this? Could this be a clue that Fever takes place early in Spider-Man's career? (I dunno, probably not) For now though, I feel safe in saying that Fever at least takes place before WWHulk.
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Col_Fury wrote:Hulk v4 #10-12 (April-June 2010)
The Dr. Strange who appears here is plucked from the past by the Grandmaster, and there aren't a lot of clues to narrow this down in Strange's chronology very precisely.
Oh yeah, that's right. OK, thanks!
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Col_Fury wrote:I am an Avengers #1 & #2/3 (November-December 2010)
My notes say that IAAA 1 must occur after NA2 7 (Avengers Mansion is restored from damage seen in that issue)and that IAAA 2/3 must occur after SECA 4 (since Valkyrie is an Avenger).
Sweet. Does Dr. Voodoo appear in either of these stories?
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Re: DOCTOR STRANGE

Post by Frans » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:52 am

Col_Fury wrote:Incredible Hulks #618-620 (March 2011)
-Chaos War
All of Chaos War should happen at least before the death of Dr Voodoo. So this should take place before New Avengers v2 #1 and after Siege.
Col_Fury wrote:New Mutants v3 #28 (September 2011)
I don't have an appearance of Strange in New Mutants v3 #28...
Col_Fury wrote:Journey Into Mystery #629 (December 2011)
-Fear Itself, is Strange here?
Yes he is. In the end fight scene as also depicted in Fear Itself #7.
Col_Fury wrote:New Mutants v3 #37 (April 2012)(December 2011)
I don't have an appearance of Strange in New Mutants v3 #37 either :?
Col_Fury wrote:New Mutants v3 #44 & #48-50 (August-December 2012)
-“real” version or future version?
Believe it's the real version in all issues. We've discussed the #44 appearance in a Defenders v5 thread. Although it was probably intended by the writer to let the Defenders appearing in New Mutants #44, the whole Defenders v5 was an alternate reality as shown in the last issue of the series. The appearance of Strange, Silver Surfer and Iron Fist in New Mutants #44 still can happen, but not as Defenders.

New Mutants v3 #48 and $49 happen before AvX, because of appearance Kubark. Kubark leaves Earth in Wolverine & The X-Men #15 (during AvX). New Mutants v3 #50 happens after AvX. There's an anecdote between Moonstar and Wolverine about "After Scott" and that "Slim was on the money with Moonstar, that he believed in her".

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Re: DOCTOR STRANGE

Post by Leoparis » Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:29 pm

Hulk 10-12: The Grandmaster plucks Namor, the Surfer and Hulk after they have suffered the loss of their loved one (Dorma, Shalla-Bal, Jarella) with the promise to reunite them (just as he did with Kang in Avengers 69-71) so I suppose he plucked Strange from a similar time

Fever: I understood this to be the classic characters so I'd put it early but not too early as Spider-Man already seems familiar with magical dimensions
He reads the Daily Bugle on page 1 so this is before it becomes the DB during the Brand New day era.

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Re: DOCTOR STRANGE

Post by Paul Bourcier » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:29 am

Col_Fury wrote:
Sweet. Does Dr. Voodoo appear in either of these stories?
No sign of Mr. Drumm.

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I don't have an appearance of Strange in New Mutants v3 #37 either
Nor do I.
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Re: DOCTOR STRANGE

Post by Col_Fury » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:09 am

Here's an update with a few appearances still unplaced:

DOCTOR STRANGE II/DR. STEPHEN VINCENT STRANGE/"STEPHEN SANDERS"

ASM 555-FB
[LASTDEF 3]
[FF 556]
[FF 557]
[A/INV 3]
[A/INV 4]
[A/INV 5]
[A/INV 6]
[A/INV 7]
[A/INV 8]
[A/INV 12]
[FF 562]
[NA: ILLUM2 5]
[SECINV 8-FB]
[MA 20]
T 602
[NA 51]
[NA 52-FB]
[NA 52]
[NA 53]
[NA 54]
[M/DIVAS 2]
[NA 55-BTS]
[NA 59]
[NA 60]
[XFOR3 25] (Necrosha)
[X:TS&P 3/4] (after Necrosha, looking for Blink)
[DRV: OJD]
[DRV 1]
[DRV 4]
[IM5 22]
[IM5 23]
[IM5 24]
[DOOMWAR 6]
[STRANGE2 1]
[STRANGE2 2]
[STRANGE2 3]
[STRANGE2 4]
[GIRL COMICS 2/6]
[SENTRY:FS]
[A4 1]
[ASM 627-FB-BTS]
[H2 619-FB]
[H2 618]
[H2 619]
[H2 620] (Chaos War, before Dr. Voodoo dies)
[NA2 1]
[NA2 2]
[NA2 3]
[NA2 4]
[NA2 5]
[NA2 6]
[NA2 7] (Dr. Voodoo dies)
[IAAA 1]
[IAAA 2/3]
[H2 633]
[H2 634]
[H2 635]
[NA2 8]
[M/PO 1/6]
[A4 8]
[A4 9]
[A4 10]
[A4 11]
[A4 12]
[A4 12.1] (happens closely after A4 12 because of Cap (Barnes))
[NA2 9]
[NA2 10]
[NA2 11]
[NA2 12]
[NA2 13]
[AACAD 10]
[AACAD 11]
[AACAD 12-BTS]
[NA@2 1]
[A@2 1] (shortly before Fear Itself)
[FI 1 (18/19:2-18/19:4)] ~ [A4 13 (19/20:1-19/20:4)-FB]
[A4 13 (19/20:5-19/20:6)-FB]
[FI 1 (20-44)]
[TB 155]
[FI 2]
[IM2.0 6]
[IM2.0 7]
[NA2 15-FB]
[FI 6]
[FI: DEEP 1]
[FI: DEEP 2]
[FI: DEEP 3]
[FI: DEEP 4]
[IM 509]
[FI (1-8)]
[AACAD 20]
[FI 7 (11-31)]
[FI 7.1]
[FI 7 (35-36)]
[A4 18] (shortly after Fear Itself)
[TB 163.1-BTS] (shortly after Fear Itself, Valkyrie appears, so before Fearless)
[FI: FEARLESS 6]
[FI: FEARLESS 7]
[FI: FEARLESS 9]
[FI: FEARLESS 10]
[FI: FEARLESS 11]
[FI: FEARLESS 12]
[DEF4 12 (11)] (shortly after Fear Itself)
[DEF4 1 (1-3)]
[DEF4 12 (12:2-13:6)]
[DEF4 1 (4:1-4:3)]
[DEF4 12 (14)]
[FI 7 (53-54)]
[DEF4 12 (20-21)]
[ASM 673] (Spider-Island epilogue)
GR9 7-BTS | cf GR9 8
[VENOM2 13.1]
[VENOM2 13.2]
[VENOM2 13.4]
[VENOM2 14]
GR9 9
[NA2 16.1]
[A4 19]
[NA2 17]
[NA2 19]
[NA2 20]
[NA2 21]
[NA2 22]
[NA2 23]
[NM3 44]
[NM3 49]
[F.F. 11]
[FF 600] (story where Doom is exiled)
[H4 50] (after Venom #13-14)
[H4 51]
[H4 52]
[AASS 6] (before AVX)
[NA2 24 (5-17)-FB]
[A4 28-FB]
[NA2 24 (18)-FB]
[NA2 24 (1-2)]
[AVX 1]
[AVX 2 (1-2:1)]
[NA2 24 (3-4)]
[NA2 24 (19-20)]
[AVX 2 (2:2-7:4)]
[A4 25]
[AVX 3]
[AVX 4]
[W&X 11]
[AVX 7 (6-9)]
[NA2 29]
[AVX 7 (10-23)]
[AVX 8]
[AVX 9]
[AVX 10]
[AVX 12-FB]
[AVX 11]
[A4 34 (1-29)]
[W&X 23]
[A4 34 (30-32)]
[NA2 31]
[NA2 32]
[NA2 33]
[NA2 34]
[NM3 50] after NA2 34 & before NA3 1
[NA3 1-FB]
[NA3 1]
[NA3 2]

Here are the rest of Dr. Strange’s appearances that I can find:

X-Men: Curse of the Mutants - Storm & Gambit #1-FB-BTS (October 2010)
-before or after Chaos War? They were published at roughly the same time

Wolverine v4 #16 (November 2011)
-after Fear Itself for Cap & Thor

Daredevil v3 #16 (October 2012)
-after Fear Itself, while Doom is missing, New Avengers appear in earlier issues, Giant-Man & Iron Man appear in later issues, before Wasp comes back

Avengers Academy #37-FB-BTS (November 2012)
-working with Reptil on Reptil’s gem

Deadpool #2-3 (January-February 2013)
-now, pretty much

Thoughts?
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Re: DOCTOR STRANGE

Post by Frans » Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:00 pm

Col_Fury wrote:X-Men: Curse of the Mutants - Storm & Gambit #1-FB-BTS (October 2010)
-before or after Chaos War? They were published at roughly the same time
Not 100% sure, but Curse of the Mutants happens after Second Coming. And I presume that New Avengers v2 (first issues) happen before Second Coming. Chaos War happens before New Avengers v2 (Doctor Voodoo appears in CW). Therefore AFTER Chaos War.

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Re: DOCTOR STRANGE

Post by Jason Doty » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:34 pm

Cyclops tried contacting both Strange and Voodoo, but couldn't get a hold of either. So I don't think either would get a BTS, unless they made contact.

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Re: DOCTOR STRANGE

Post by Paul Bourcier » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:25 pm

Jason Doty wrote:
Cyclops tried contacting both Strange and Voodoo, but couldn't get a hold of either. So I don't think either would get a BTS, unless they made contact.
Actually, here's the dialogue:
Emma: "Perhaps Doctor Strange would know something? Or Doctor Voodoo?"
Scott: "I already tried them. Nothing."

I interpret this to mean that Cyclops succeeded in contacted them, but they had no information to share.

I have this between H2 635 and NA2 8.
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Re: DOCTOR STRANGE

Post by Paul Bourcier » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:41 pm

Col_Fury wrote:
Avengers Academy #37-FB-BTS (November 2012)
-working with Reptil on Reptil’s gem
This should be Avengers Academy #39-FB-BTS (my bad). I have it between A4 34 (30-32) and NA2 31.
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Re: DOCTOR STRANGE

Post by Jason Doty » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:11 pm

Paul wrote
Actually, here's the dialogue:
Emma: "Perhaps Doctor Strange would know something? Or Doctor Voodoo?"
Scott: "I already tried them. Nothing."

I interpret this to mean that Cyclops succeeded in contacted them, but they had no information to share.

I have this between H2 635 and NA2 8.
That's a good interpretation, but wouldn't Cyclops have to talk to Voodoo before he dies in NA2 7?

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Re: DOCTOR STRANGE

Post by Col_Fury » Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:28 am

Jason Doty wrote:wouldn't Cyclops have to talk to Voodoo before he dies in NA2 7?
Good job, Jason. :)

It sounds like Curse of the Mutants happens after Chaos War and before NA2 1-7, then.

Any idea if DD3 16 happens before or after AVX? Spider-Man appears earlier in this DD story, when is he switched with Dr. Octopus in relation to AVX?
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Re: DOCTOR STRANGE

Post by Paul Bourcier » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:29 am

Good catch, Jason. My notes for NA2 1 do indeed say that issue occurs after X:COTMS&G 1-FB; I just misplaced that Curse of the Mutants issue on the wrong page of my running chronology. *doh*

Doc Ock takes Peter's place after AVX.
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