I just finished re-reading XF@ 4, AWC@ T@ 14 and FF@ 22. The only reference I'm seeing is in AWC@ 4, page 3 in a narrator's caption that says Jean was "snatched out of the Beast's hands."
There's no mention anywhere during Atlantis Attacks that I can see that says what the rest of X-Factor is up to *during* Atlantis Attacks.
metaldragon wrote:it makes no sense to have the annual between XF 41 & NM 77.
But as you mentioned earlier, in NM 88:
metaldragon, on page 1 wrote:
Wolfsbane: "... and so we left Asgard and came home and fought with some Atlanteans underwater and..."
Wolfsbane tells Jean in NM 88 that since the last time the kids saw X-Factor, they fought some Atlanteans. If NM@ 5 (the kids fight Atlanteans) happens before XF 41 (the last time the kids saw X-Factor before NM 88), then the reference in NM 88 falls apart. Placing NM@ 5 after XF 41 means Wolfsbane's not telling Jean something Jean already knows in NM 88.
metaldragon wrote:There is nothing directly connecting NM 76 to XF 41. There are already stories for Beast & Angel that are in that spot. There IS dialogue connecting XF 41 to NM 77 (plan to take Illyana to parents while X-Factor in England
Ah, but there is a connection between NM 76 and XF 41, which I commented on earlier in this topic:
on page 1, Daron wrote:
NM 76 ends the adventure with Namor and the kids wonder what they’ll do with the de-aged Illyana.
NM 77 starts with the kids returning Illyana to her parents in Russia.
To expand, at the end of NM 76 the New Mutants are stuck with child-Illyana and they wonder what they're going to do with her. In XF 41 the New Mutants discuss with X-Factor their decision to return Illyana to her parents in Russia.
As you say, there's already a lot of stories that take place between NM 76 and XF 41. So it either took the New Mutants a while to decide to return Illyana to her parents, or they decided relatively quickly and it took a while to do the actual returning of Illyana to her parents. Either way, there's a bit of time between NM 76 and NM 77 where the New Mutants aren't taking Illyana home ALREADY
JephYork wrote:I've said it before, but it bears repeating: let's not forget that little snippet of dialogue in NM #88 where Rahne excitedly tells Jean that the New Mutants fought Atlanteans since the last time they saw X-Factor. If we place Atlantis Attacks before XF #41, then that's not true anymore. Rahne would have fought Atlanteans (in NM@5), THEN seen X-Factor (in XF #41, where they talked about Inferno for a long time and nothing else) -- then excitedly talked about their Atlantean battle the NEXT time they saw X-Factor (in NM #88).
It's awkward but it's not unbelievable. But, if we place Atlantis Attacks after XF #41-42 -- then the next time that Rahne sees Jean after the Atlantean battle WOULD be NM #88. And it would make perfect sense for her to excitedly info-dump stories of the battle at that point.
JephYork wrote:if Jean was abducted from England in XF Annual #4 -- and if the rest of X-Factor stayed there, searching for her locally -- then, in NM #77, when Rictor says "X-Factor is still in England" ... HE'S RIGHT.
And we don't need to make up a song and dance to get around that reference at all. There's no conflict.
I commented on this point earlier in this topic:
on page 2, Daron wrote:
Also, I just flipped through XF@ 4 again and we don't know where Jean and Beast were pulled from. They could have been pulled from England while Cyclops was appearing in M/CP 17-24. Cyclops doesn't appear in XF@ 4 or the rest of Atlantis Attacks.
XF@ 4 shows and AWC@ 4 says that Jean and Beast were together when Jean was taken. Where was Cyclops? Appearing in M/CP 17-24, I guess. But that's a good point about Rictor's reference.
I'm leaning toward placing Atlantis Attacks after XF 41 at the moment, but at this point I'd like to hear what other people think about this. Before or after XF 41? Michael or Frans? You've both commented on NM@ 5, what do you think? Anyone else?