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Namor early chronology

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This is a review of Namor's early chronology in order to place the flashback in Namor: King in Black and the story in Marvel 3.

In Marvel 3, taking place in "summer 1939," "a few months before the war," Namor is a suave prince at ease with formal balls and human society. In the narration he states "I was responding to an invitation forwarded to me by naval intelligence." By M/MC 3 WWII has started as Nazis attack British ships. In M/C 1 & M/MC 2 he's still unfamiliar with human society and certainly would not get any invitation through naval intelligence. This part of the story could be embellishment to impress the intelligence-savvy Captain America. Or just a mistranslation of sea intelligence referring to Tha-Korr's spies mentioned in SUBC70A /2.

There are a few minor glitches in his chrono, in particular regarding his arrival & attack on NY, which is the period where I originally hoped to find a convenient break.

In the space of a few issues Namor goes from teenager with Dorma to adult starting an affair with mature policewoman Betty Dean, 10 years his senior, which would allow us to spread his early appearances over several months.

The summer 1939 date needs thoughtful consideration as it cannot mean June-Sep 1939 per Namor's chrono. To explain the "months before the war" line, the story would take place during the Phoney War (Sept 3, 1939 - May 10, 1940) and I've included 1940 issues (war does not start in the south Pacific before Dec 1941). Since the story takes place in the South Pacific, summer actually starts there on December 1, 1939. (Because the temperature lag is shorter, most countries in the oceanic temperate southern hemisphere use the meteorological definition with summer starting on 1 December and ending on the last day of February.)

The villain's plan to study Namor's body in Marvel 3 is similar to the nazi project of studying Atlantean physiology in Marvels Project 1.

SUBC70A /2 also occurs in 1939 in the South Pacific. His grandfather's spies lead Namor to a nazi island base.

Unsure when I will be able to complete my panel by panel comparison, I post the early chrono.

CA:SL 3 (11:2 - 11:3)-FB delivery, birth
FF:SE-FB
SUBC 32 (10:7 - 11:4)-BTS Emperor learns he has an heir
SAGASUB 1-FB
SUB 38 (7:2)-FB baby
SUBC 32 (11:5 - 11:6) sent to exile
SAGASUB 2 (4:4 - 4:5)-FB-FB baby

SUBC 32 (11:7 - 11:9) return when 10 yrs old
N 1 (1 - 19) small boy
NSUB 20 (12)-FB small boy Fen Tha-Korr
DEF4 5-FB Fen, boy (no sign he's back from exile)
N:FM 2-FB wants to see what's above the waves
TTA 96-FB studying under his mother
SUBC 35/2
SUBC 36/2
SUBC 37/2
SAGASUB 2 (6:3)-FB-FB lifting a mast
YMEN 24/3 (2:7)-FB sitting on banquise

SAGASUB 2 (1 - 4:2)-FB Dorma, Fen
SUBC 38/2 (1:1 - 1:2) walking on ice with Fen
SAGASUB 2 (4:3 - 7:4)-FB walking on ice with Fen
SUBC 38/2 (1:3 - 3:2) crevasse opens, first flight
SAGASUB 2 (8:4 - 8:5)-FB finds Fen w/ broken leg
SUBC 38/2 (3:3) in crevasse
SAGASUB 2 (8:6 - 9:3)-FB crevasse closing
SUBC 38/2 (3:4) carries Fen
SAGASUB 2 (9:4)-FB hurtling out of crevasse
SUBC 38/2 (3:5) flying
SAGASUB 2 (9:5 - 9:7)-FB Fen sees wings
SUBC 38/2 (3:6 - 3:7) Fen sees wings, Namor flies
SAGASUB 2 (10:2 - 10:4)-FB training at flight
SUB 38 (7:3 - 7:4)-FB youthful feats

SAGASUB 2 (10:5 - 11:1)-FB at 15
SUBC 39/2 (1 - 2:2) introduced to Namora
SAGASUB 2 (12:1)-FB-OP Merrano Byrrah
SUBC 39/2 (2:3 - 2:5) Byrrah Namor Namora
SAGASUB 2 (12:3 - 12:4)-FB Dorma sees Namor & Namora
SUBC 39/2 (2:6 - 4) playing in submarine
SAGASUB 2 (12:5)-FB play continues
ORDER 6-FB at 14, Namora, Byrrah, Merrano

SUBC 40/2
N 1 (20 - 25)
N 2
N 3
N 4
N 5
N 6
N 7
N 8
N 9
N 10
N 11
N 12
ORDER2 7 (2:5)-FB standing before the throne with troops
SUB 38 (17:1 - 17:2)-FB growing with Dorma child/woman
SUBC 41/2
SUBC 42/2
CA:SL 3 (11:4)-FB stopping a shark
SUBC 32 (12) decides to go to War vs America
M/PROJECT 1 attacks German ship fishing Atlanteans

SAGASUB 2 (13 - 17)-FB at 18, leading salvage party
SUB 38 (8:1)-FB seeing two divers
{MOTION PICTURES FUNNIES WEEKLY (1 - 3)} divers plunge, cuts line
SUB 38 (8:2 - 8:5)-FB swims closer, cuts their line
MOTION PICTURES FUNNIES WEEKLY (4) kills them
SUB 38 (8:6)-FB pulled to surface
MOTION PICTURES FUNNIES WEEKLY (5 - 6:7) crashes ship, brings divers to Emperor
SUB 38 (9:1 - 9:2)-FB finds out they're not robots
SAGASUB 2 (21:2)-FB opens front of helmet
MOTION PICTURES FUNNIES WEEKLY (6:8) removes their helmet
SAGASUB 2 (21:4 - 21:7)-FB Tha-Korr sends him to war
MOTION PICTURES FUNNIES WEEKLY (6:9 - 8) Fen tells him about his conception
SUB 38 (9:3)-FB sent to war
SUBC 32/3 (1:1 - 1:3) decides to go to War vs America and tells Dorma
M/C 1/3 (9:1 - 9:2) Dorma decides to go w/ him (released Aug 31, 1939)
SUBC 32/3 (1:4) Dorma starts trip w/ Namor
SAGASUB 2 (22)-FB Dorma follows him
SUBC 32/3 (2 - 3:3) They destroy a lighthouse and arrive in NY harbor
M/C 1/3 (9:3 - 12) wrecks lighthouse at Cape Anna
M/MC 2/3 (1:1 - 1:3) dives from plane and swims to NY
SUB 38 (9:4 - 9:5)-FB flying off from Atlantis, reaching NY
SAGASUB 3 (1 - 2)-FB in the water of harbor
M/MC 2/3 (1:4 - 1:5) reaches docks
SUBC 32/3 (3:4 - 3:9) sabotages a reservoir
M/MC 2/3 (1:6 - 2) sucked by tube
SUBC 32/3 (4) more sabotage
M/MC 2/3 (3 - 4:2) wreaks havoc in powerhouse
SAGASUB 3 (7:1 - 7:4)-FB expletive at, dives through window
M/MC 2/3 (4:3) dives through window
SAGASUB 3 (7:5 - 10:2)-FB in street, overturns police car and flies off
SUB 38 (10 - 15:3)-FB wreaks havoc in city, overturns green charter bus and leaves a warning
M/MC 2/3 (4:4 - 11:5) Central Park, Fifth Avenue, waterfront
SUBC 32/3 (5:1 - 5:3) smashes police cars
M/MC 2/3 (11:6 - 11:7) smashing car
SUBC 32/3 (5:4) dives in river
M/MC 2/3 (12) leaps from dock
SUBC 32/3 (5:5 - 12) evades Dean, floods streets, bombs Brooklyn Bridge, meets McKenzie and Betty Dean, captured, escapes
SAGASUB 3 (10:4 - 11:3)-FB wrecking subway rails, overturns green charter bus
M/MC 3/3 (1 - 3:7) Dean briefed on her mission
SUB 38 (16:1)-FB sees girl drowning
M/MC 3/3 (3:8 - 4:3) swims to save her
SUB 38 (16:2)-FB Dean points gun at him
M/MC 3/3 (4:4) disarms her
SUB 38 (16:3)-FB disarms her
M/MC 3/3 (4:5 - 4:8) drags her to buoy
SUB 38 (16:4 - 16:5)-FB leaves her on buoy
M/MC 3/3 (9 - 12:7) fights German ship
SAGASUB 3 (21:2 - 21:5)-FB Dean talks w/ him -> (21:2 - 21:4)
M/MC 3/3 (12:8) Dean asks him to join Allies
SAGASUB 3 (21:6 - 22:4)-FB -> (21:5 - 22:4) shot at
M/MC 4/3 (1:1 - 2:1) Namor leaves her, returns to Atlantis
SAGASUB 3 (22:5 - 22:6)-FB -> gives decision, leaves her
M/MC 4/3 (2:2 - 10) organizes armed forces (released Dec 20, 1939)
M/MC 5/3 (1 - 3:6) reports to emperor
SUBC70A /2 1939, South Pacific vs Nazis
M/MC 5/3 (3:7 - 10) return to NY
M/MC 6/3
M/PROJECT 3
M/MC 7/3 (1)
SAGASUB 4-FB-FB
M/MC 7/3 (2 - 3:2)
SAGASUB 4 (1 - 3:2)-FB
M/MC 7/3 (3:3 - 6:7)
SAGASUB 4 (3:3 - 3:4)-FB
M/MC 7/3 (6:8 - 10)
M/MC 7-BTS
M/MC 8
SAGASUB 4 (6 - 9:2)-FB
MARVELS 1 (15 - 16)
M/MC 8/2
M/MC 9 (1 - 3) released 1940, May 17
MARVELS 1 (17 - 18)
M/MC 9 (4 - 7:3)
SAGASUB 4 (15:1 - 15:3)-FB
M/MC 9 (7:4 - 8)
MARVELS 1 (20)
M/MC 9 (9 - 20)
M/MC 10
SAGASUB 4 (22:6)-FB
MARVELS 1 (21 - 22)
M/MC 10/3 (1)
SAGASUB 4 (22:7 - 22:8)-FB
M/MC 10/3 (2 - 10)
M/MC 11/2
M/MC 12/2
N:FM 5 (3 - 5)-FB 1940 wrecks Times Square
SUBC70A Sept 1940


In Sub-Mariner Comics 32, right after the Emperor changed his mind from "turning them out to live with Namor's father's people" (i.e. banishing them for life from Atlantis) to merely "exiling them until Namor is ten," Fen thinks, "Precious little one, you have secured your mother's freedom." So this exile equates freedom for Fen, freedom for adventure, clear evidence that any adventures she has in DEF4 must occur before returning to court from exile. Having an adventure while at court is what got her the exile in the first place and she would not repeat the offence.

In SUBC70A /2 1939, in South Pacific Namor, alerted by his gradfather's spies, investigates a Nazi base. MARVEL 3/2-FB occurs in Summer 1939 in the South Pacific, this is December in the southern hemisphere.

FEN
SAGASUB 2 (4:4 - 4:5)-FB-FB
*DEF4 5-FB move to here
*DEF4 6-FB move to here
SUBC 32 (11:7 - 11:9) (back from exile)
N 1
NSUB 20-FB
*DEF4 5-FB (adventure) move from here
*DEF4 6-FB (adventure) move from here
TTA 96-FB

SUB-MARINER/NAMOR MACKENZIE
SAGASUB 2 (4:4 - 4:5)-FB-FB
*DEF4 5-FB move to here
SUBC 32 (11:7 - 11:9) (back from exile)
N 1 (1 - 19)
NSUB 20 (12)-FB
*DEF4 5-FB (adventure) move from here
N:FM 2-FB
...
SUBC70A /2 1939, South Pacific vs Nazis
**MARVEL 3/2-FB South Pacific add here
M/MC 5/3 (3:7 - 10) return to NY
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