SECRET WARS to CIVIL WAR II

[StrayLamb]

Spider-Man/Deadpool #6 is somewhere between Amazing Spider-Man (2015) #1 and Spider-Man/Deadpool #1, per an editorial note.

Pages 1-19 take place during early shooting for the Deadpool movie, so mid-to late March, page 20 is just after the movie has been released, so the following mid-feb, if it was on the same schedule as our world..

Spider-Man/Deadpool #1-5 and 8 are more or less continuous, though some breaks could probably be found if necessary. They're after ASM (2015) #3, since Parker Industries is in the Baxter Building; also, the Mercs for Money are up and running. But Deadpool's face is healed by the end of #5, and doesn't go back to its familiar form until the end of the "Itsy Bitsy" storyline, which is in #9-10, 13-14 and 17-18.

There can certainly be a gap between issues 3 & 4.

#11 is the Penn & Teller issue, which is fine where it is (we don't see Deadpool's face); #12 is a Christmas issue that's definitely post-Civil War II; #15-16 are a crossover with the other two Deadpool titles. Augh.

Unbelievable Gwenpool 0, Gwenpool Special 1, and flashbacks from Unbelievable Gwenpool 18-19 also take place in the few days prior to christmas, culminating on Christmas Eve.. They tie together like this..

Unbelievable Gwenpool 18 (1-5) [Teddy Poole is rescued by Ben Grimm, Sam Wilson, aka Captain America, Dr Strange, and Squirrel Girl]{Ben Grimm, wearing FF pants, should be away in space with the Guardians; either this is an imposter, or he is back on Earth for shore-leave}
Unbelievable Gwenpool 0
Unbelievable Gwenpool 18 (6:1-6:2)
Gwenpool Special 1 (37-38)
Gwenpool Special 1 (1-20) [She-Hulk prepares for a Christmas party]
Gwenpool Special 1 (36, 39-43) ~ Unbelievable Gwenpool 18 (6:3-15)
Unbelievable Gwenpool 19 (1-9)
Gwenpool Special 1 (21-35) [Deadpool & Hawkeye pose as Santas at the Rockefeller Center]
Gwenpool Special 1 (44-50)

Deadpool and the Mercs for Money 1 takes place two or three days after Christmas, and issues 2-4 take place a week or so later..

Vote Loki 1-3 takes place during October, Vote Loki 4 begins 5 days before Election Day, culminating on Election Day, Nov 8. Mighty Thor 8 page 1 probably occurs between issues 3 & 4. I'm experiencing deja vu, or i'm repeating myself here..

[Clive_Reston]

[Teddy Poole is rescued by Ben Grimm, Sam Wilson, aka Captain America, Dr Strange, and Squirrel Girl]{Ben Grimm, wearing FF pants, should be away in space with the Guardians; either this is an imposter, or he is back on Earth for shore-leave}

Ben seems to bounce between Earth and space pretty much at will during this period.

Karnak (2015) 1-6 can happen any time during this period, I think. There's a former splinter group of A.I.M. involved, but it's reasonable to assume that they were pushed out when Roberto took over.

Weirdworld (2016) 1-6 can happen any time before Captain Marvel #125.

[wolverine7230]

Latest version, with all appropriate updates. Anyone with placement suggestions for Spider-Man/Deadpool, please feel free to share - I'm stumped. We've made so much progress so far, but I've been so busy this week and think I will be over the next couple as well, which means these updates will probably becoming less frequent. When I'm back though I'll be reading through everything to try and iron out any kinks. Thanks everyone so far!


SECRET WARS [Late July]
Contest of Champions 6 (1-3) FB
Death of X 1-4
Howard the Duck 2 (20) FB “8 Months ago”
Howard the Duck 1/2-3/2
Daredevil 17-20 FBs
Howard the Duck 7
Unbeatable Squirrel Girl 6
Howard the Duck 6
Starbrand and Nightmask 1-6 [September]
Howard the Duck 2 (3-10) FB “6 Months Ago”
Vote Loki 1-3 [October]
ANAD Marvel Point One rocket raccoon and groot segment [October 31st]
Vote Loki 4 [November 8th]
Howard the Duck 4 (9) FB “5 Months Ago”
Ant-Man Annual 1 (5-25) FB
Avengers: Rage of Ultron (1-94)
Ant-Man Annual 1
Avengers: Rage of Ultron (95-99)
Spider-Man 1-2 (1-19)
Captain Marvel 1-5
Amazing Spider-Man 1/4, 1/3, 1/6 [Jess 6 Months Pregnant]
Amazing Spider-Man 1-5
Silk 1
Howard the Duck 1 (1) FB “3 Months Ago”
Howard the Duck 2 (11-13) FB “3 Months Ago”
Silver Surfer 1-2 (3-4)
A Year of Marvels: The Amazing 1/1 [February 14th]
A Year of Marvels: The Amazing 1/2 [March 11th-13th]
Howard the Duck 1 (4-7) FB “1 Month Ago”
Secret Wars #9 (25-34) “Eight months later” [Late March]
Spider-Woman 1 (1-15) [Jess 34 Weeks Pregnant]
Contest of Champions 6 (4-8) FB
Contest of Champions 4 (2) FB
Totally Awesome Hulk 1-4
All-New, All Different Marvel Point One [Early April]
Spider-Woman 1 (16-20)-4
Weirdworld 1-6
Karnak 1-6
Avengers 0
A-Force 1-7
Unbeatable Squirrel Girl 1-5
Contest of Champions 1/2
Uncanny Avengers 1-4
Squadron Supreme 1-5
Howling Commandos of SHIELD 1-5
A Year of Marvels: The Incredible 1/1 [April]
Silk 2-5
Carnage 1-5 [April 14th]
Carnage 7-8 FB [April 16th]
Invincible Iron Man 1-2 (1-12)
Carnage 9-10 FB [April 25th-26th]
Carnage 6-7 (1) [April 26th-27th]
Silk 6
Carnage 9-10 Modern Day Sections & 11 (1-2) [April 30th]
Spider-Women Alpha 1 [May 1st]
Carnage 11 (3-20)-16 (1-19) [May 2nd]
SPIDER-WOMEN (Silk 7-8, Spider-Gwen 7-8, Spider-Woman 6-7, Spider-Women Omega (1-26)) [May 2nd-3rd]
Carnage 11 (20) [May 7th]
A Year of Marvels: The Incredible 1/2 [May 8th]
Spider-Women Omega (27-30) [May 8th]
Amazing Spider-Man 6 (1-7)
Scarlet Witch 1-2
Contest of Champions 1-6
All-New, All Different Avengers 1-3
FCBD 2015: All-New, All Different Avengers (1st Story)
Old Man Logan 1-4
Extraordinary X-Men 1-7
Amazing Spider-Man 6 (8-20)-8
Amazing Spider-Man Annual 1/2 (1-13)
Amazing Spider-Man Annual 1/1
Amazing Spider-Man Annual 1/2 (14-15)
Amazing Spider-Man Annual 1/3
Amazing Spider-Man 9-11
Daredevil 1-5
Silver Surfer 2 (5-20)-6
Howard the Duck 1-5 (1-14)
Ultimates 1-2
Howard the Duck 5 (15-20), 8-11
Doctor Strange 1-2
Invincible Iron Man 2 (13-20)-8
Doctor Strange 3
Unbeatable Squirrel Girl 7-14
Contest of Champions 6 (19-20)-10
Ultimates 3-6
A Year of Marvels: The Unstoppable 1/1 (first bit) [June 19th]
Invincible Iron Man 9-11
Amazing Spider-Man 12
Vision 1-12
A Year of Marvels: The Unstoppable 1/2 (second bit) [Early July]
A Year of Marvels: The Unstoppable 1/2 [July 4th]
Unbeatable Squirrel Girl 15
Rocket Raccoon and Groot 1-7
Drax 1-11
Venom: Spaceknight 1-6
Guardians of Infinity 1-8
Guardians of Infinity 1/2-4/2
Angela: Queen of Hel 1-7
Captain America: Sam Wilson 1-7
New Avengers 1-7
Uncanny Avengers 5-6
A Year of Marvels: The Unbeatable 1/1 [August 13th-15th]
Black Widow 1-10
Black Knight 1-5
Nova 1-4
All-New, All Different Avengers 4-6
Spider-Woman 8 [Late August]
A Year of Marvels: The Unbeatable 1/2 [September]
Silver Surfer 7-14
Agents of SHIELD 1-2
AVENGERS: STANDOFF! [NFL in-Season]
Agents of SHIELD 5-6
Captain America: Sam Wilson 9
New Avengers 11
All-New Wolverine 1-6
Patsy Walker, AKA Hellcat 1-7
Ms Marvel 1-3
A Year of Marvels: The Uncanny 1/1 [October 31st]
Red Wolf 1-6
Thunderbolts 1-4
Squadron Supreme 6-8
Hyperion 1-6
A Year of Marvels: The Uncanny 1/2 [November 24th]
Unbeatable Squirrel Girl Beats up the Marvel Universe
Ms Marvel 4-6
Amazing Spider-Man 1.1-1.4 [Mid December]
Unbelievable Gwenpool 18 (1-5)
Unbelievable Gwenpool 0
Gwenpool Special 1 (37-38, 1-20, 36, 39-43) / Unbelievable Gwenpool 18 (6-15)
Unbelievable Gwenpool 19 (1-9)
Gwenpool Special 1 (21-35, 44-50) [December 24]
Ghost Rider X-Mas Special Infinite Comic [December 25th]
Deadpool and the Mercs for Money 1-4 [Late December]
Marvel New Year's Eve Special Infinite Comic [December 31st]
Uncanny Avengers 9-12
All-New, All Different Avengers 9 (1-18) / FCBD 2016: Civil War II (2nd Story)
Nova 5-7 / All-New, All Different Avengers 9 (19-20)
All-New, All Different Avengers 10-12
Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur 1-12 (1-5)
Mockingbird 1-5
Guardians of the Galaxy 1-5
Star-Lord 6-8
Guardians of Infinity 5/2-8/2
Guardians of the Galaxy 6-10 (1-19)
Venom: Spaceknight 7-10
Old Man Logan 5-7 [Mid-Late March]
Power Man and Iron Fist 1-4
Deadpool 8-11
Captain America: Steve Rogers 1-3
Old Man Logan 8-13
Deadpool 13
Power Man and Iron Fist 5
Spider-Man 2 (20)-5
Ultimates 7
CIVIL WAR II Starts [Late June or Early July]
Guardians of the Galaxy 10 (20)
Doctor Strange 4-7
Doctor Strange: Last Days of Magic
Deadpool: Last Days of Magic
Doctor Strange 8-11

TO DO:
All-New, All Different Avengers Annual 1
All-New Hawkeye 1-6
All-New Inhumans 1-11
All-New Wolverine 7-9 & Annual 1
All-New X-Men 1-?
Amazing Spider-Man/Silk: Spiderfly Effect 1-4
Astonishing Ant-Man 1-?
Black Panther 1-6
Daredevil 6-?
Daredevil/Punisher: Seventh Circle 1-4
Deadpool 1-7
Deadpool and Cable: Split Second 1-5
Deadpool: Back in Black 1-5
Deadpool: Massacre
Deadpool vs Gambit 1-5
Doctor Strange/Punisher: Magic Bullets 1-4
Extraordinary X-Men 8-?
FCBD 2015 Avengers [2nd Story]
FCBD 2016 Captain America [2nd Story]
Ghost Rider 1-5
Hercules 1-6
Illuminati 1-5, 7
International Iron Man 1-?
Mighty Thor 1-14
Moon Knight 1-?
Nighthawk 1-6
Punisher 1-?
Scarlet Witch 3-8
Spider-Gwen 1-6
Spider-Man/Deadpool 1-?
Spider-Man 2099 1-12
Spider-Woman 5
Totally Awesome Hulk 5-6
Unbelievable Gwenpool 1-?
Uncanny Inhumans 1-10
Uncanny X-Men 1-?
Weapon X 1-?
Web Warriors 1-?
X-Men '92 1-?
X-Men: Worst X-Man Ever 1-5 (Canon?)

[StrayLamb]

Spider-Man/Deadpool 6 (1-19) is mid-late March.. page 20 the following mid-Feb..

...
A Year of Marvels: The Amazing 1/2 [March 11th-13th]
Old Man Logan 5-7 (Mid-Late March)
Spider-Man/Deadpool 6 (1-19)
Howard the Duck 1 (4-7) FB “1 Month Ago”
Secret Wars #9 (25-34) “Eight months later” [Late March]
...

Vote Loki/Mighty Thor will have to go in the Oct/Nov after Standoff, and more Spider-Man/Deadpool probably goes in here as well..

...
Ms Marvel 1-3
Mighty Thor 1-5
Vote Loki 1-3 [October]
A Year of Marvels: The Uncanny 1/1 [October 31st]
Red Wolf 1-6
Thunderbolts 1-4
Spider-Man/Deadpool 1-5, 8-11, 13
Mighty Thor 6-7
Vote Loki 4 (1-7) [November 3rd]
Mighty Thor 8 (1-2)
Vote Loki 4 (8-20) [November 7th/8th]
Mighty Thor 8 (3-20)-12
Squadron Supreme 6-8
Hyperion 1-6
A Year of Marvels: The Uncanny 1/2 [November 24th]
...

[Clive_Reston]

Deadpool: Back in Black is set during the comics of the 1980s.

Deadpool: Masacre is just a (sort of) translated version of Deadpool (2015) #3.1.

FCBD 2015 Avengers (2nd story) is before Uncanny Inhumans #1, and sometime after Johnny and Medusa's relationship has begun.

FCBD 2016 Captain America (2nd story) is simultaneous with Amazing Spider-Man (2015) #19/2, which is "weeks ago"; that's between ASM #15 and 16, I'd guess, on one side or the other of Civil War II: ASM #1-4. Just for the sake of keeping Clone Conspiracy stuff together with post-Civil War II goings-on, I'm inclined to suggest the later side.

Ghost Rider (2016) 1-5 has Amadeus Cho/Hulk in his "monster hunter" mode, and also involves Silk, Agents Coulson and May, and Laura/X-23 and Gabby. (It's effectively the New New Fantastic Four!) It takes place at some point after All-New Wolverine #7, since Gabby appears with Jonathan the wolverine at one point.

[Clive_Reston]

Nighthawk #1-6 take place "months" after the Squadron Supreme kill Namor, most likely sometime during the break between Squadron Supreme #8 and Civil War II.

Hercules #1-6 are somewhere relatively soon (but not TOO soon) before Civil War II and specifically Gods of War #1; Tony Stark doesn't actually appear in #6, but Hercules has to believe that he does.

Totally Awesome Hulk #5-6 are "three years" after Amadeus wins the Mastermind Excello competition in Amazing Fantasy (2004) #15. Jane/Thor and Enchantress appear.

The present-day bits of All-New Hawkeye (2015B) #1-6 are pre-Standoff--Clint is still on not-entirely-terrible terms with S.H.I.E.L.D.--and happen at some point while he's with the Avengers (by which he might mean Sunspot's team). Between New Avengers #6 and 7, perhaps?

[Clive_Reston]

Illuminati #1-5 are shortly before Standoff; #6 is shortly after it (and flashes back to it), and #7 is shortly after that. But #1 takes place when Power Man and Iron Fist are working together again, so Power Man & Iron Fist #1-4 needs to get pushed back to sometime before Standoff. (Any reason it can't?)

The Punisher (2016) #1-12 is a fairly continuous story with, as far as I can tell, no other placement considerations at all. Wherever you feel like you need a Punisher story, really.

Doctor Strange/Punisher: Magic Bullets #1-4 has Strange in his blue-cloak-and-axe mode; Spider-Man appears in one panel. You could nudge it to after CWII and nobody would ever be the wiser.

Weapon X (2017) is super-duper-post-CWII, I believe.

(Also, please forgive me for posting in this topic so many times in a row. Just poking at this assessment when I can.)

[StrayLamb]

Illuminati #1-5 are shortly before Standoff; #6 is shortly after it (and flashes back to it), and #7 is shortly after that. But #1 takes place when Power Man and Iron Fist are working together again, so Power Man & Iron Fist #1-4 needs to get pushed back to sometime before Standoff. (Any reason it can't?)

I don't see any problem with placing Power Man & Iron Fist 1-4 & Illuminati 1-5 before Standoff..

Doctor Strange/Punisher: Magic Bullets #1-4 has Strange in his blue-cloak-and-axe mode; Spider-Man appears in one panel. You could nudge it to after CWII and nobody would ever be the wiser.

Weapon X (2017) is super-duper-post-CWII, I believe.

I have Magic Bullets and Weapon X post CWII..

(Also, please forgive me for posting in this topic so many times in a row. Just poking at this assessment when I can.)

One more post = Big Bad..

[Pete Wisdom]

Hello.

All-New, All Different Avengers #1 has a back-up story. It mentions its relation to the main one, like six week ago or whatever.

The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl Beats Up the Marvel Universe occurs between Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #11 and #12 per reference in #12.

It appears that Starbrand and Nightmask go to the same school as Squirrel Girl and her cast. Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #1 has her and co back in school after break. If Starbrand and Nightmask also starts at the beginning of a period, maybe those issues should be closer to each other. Or maybe those are different periods.

Unbelievable Gwenpool #0 is a reprint of the back-ups from Howard the Duck and her story from Gwenpool Special, so at the moment those stories feature twice in chronology, and in case of HtD back-ups, definitely not in the same spot.

Not sure if it makes sense for Deadpool: Last Days of Magic #1 occur after Civil War II and Deadpool's fight with Shiklah.

[Pete Wisdom]

Also: Howard the Duck 1 (1) FB “3 Months Ago” is right after the main part of Howard the Duck #6 (before the epilogue set three weeks later).

[Col_Fury]

Good eye, Pete Wisdom.

Welcome to the MCP!

[StrayLamb]

Unbelievable Gwenpool #0 is a reprint of the back-ups from Howard the Duck and her story from Gwenpool Special, so at the moment those stories feature twice in chronology, and in case of HtD back-ups, definitely not in the same spot.

Yep, that's right - i'd forgotten about that.. Howard the Duck 1/2-3/2 needs to be moved and replace Unbelievable Gwenpool 0..

Not sure if it makes sense for Deadpool: Last Days of Magic #1 occur after Civil War II and Deadpool's fight with Shiklah.

We thrashed that out a bit on page 3 of this post, including an answer to the fight with Shiklah, but feel free if you want to shed more light on the argument.. the more people who get involved, the better..

[Clive_Reston]

Oh hey--I guess I am a Big Bad now! Sweet.

The Astonishing Ant-Man: Per editorial note, the whole series (1-13) takes place prior to Civil War II. (It's also all after Ant-Man Annual 1.)

The "present-day" parts of #1-11 are immediately before 12-13, but basically all but a couple of pages in each issue before that are flashbacks that take place over the course of "eight months." We can assume that's the eight months before CWII, not the eight months after Secret Wars (although they probably overlap).

The flashback in Astonishing Ant-Man #3, per editorial note, takes place before Captain America: Sam Wilson #4--but by then Sam's already a werewolf, so it has to be before Captain America: Sam Wilson #3.

Raz/Giant-Man shows up a few times; he's with the Ultimates (& specifically Carol Danvers) in #13, but I don't think that's a reference to a particular story. It's some time after he starts working with the Ultimates (in Ultimates #3), though.

Deadpool V. Gambit: This seems to be at some point way before Secret Wars, like pre-Siege, if it's even canonical. Loki is his former old-guy self, Odin is running Asgard, and Doctor Voodoo is a Doctor.

Moon Knight (2016) #1-14: No placement considerations at all, I believe--it's debatable how much, if any, of it is going on outside Marc Spector's head, anyway.

[Pete Wisdom]

Yep, that's right - i'd forgotten about that.. Howard the Duck 1/2-3/2 needs to be moved and replace Unbelievable Gwenpool 0..

Then HtD back-ups will be set after the main HtD story and they're not supposed to.

We thrashed that out a bit on page 3 of this post, including an answer to the fight with Shiklah, but feel free if you want to shed more light on the argument.. the more people who get involved, the better..

Not seeing anything regarding the fight. To me it's obvious that in a Duggan's Deadpool vacuum Deadpool: Last Days of Magic is between #11 and #13. In the bigger picture, not sure. It's been a while since I've read it.

[StrayLamb]

Then HtD back-ups will be set after the main HtD story and they're not supposed to.

You gotta give us more to go on than "they're not supposed to"

Just going back over the Gwenpool issues, i did notice that Spider-Woman is pregnant in Gwenpool Special 1, so looks like this group of stories has to go up the list to the previous Christmas.. Does that work..?

Unbelievable Gwenpool 18 (1-5)
Howard the Duck 1/2-3/2 {Unbelievable Gwenpool 0}
Gwenpool Special 1 (37-38, 1-20, 36, 39-43) / Unbelievable Gwenpool 18 (6-15)
Unbelievable Gwenpool 19 (1-9)
Gwenpool Special 1 (21-35, 44-50) [December 24]

Not seeing anything regarding the fight. To me it's obvious that in a Duggan's Deadpool vacuum Deadpool: Last Days of Magic is between #11 and #13. In the bigger picture, not sure. It's been a while since I've read it.

Take me to task if i'm wrong, for sure, but what's obvious to you, may not be obvious to me, so you have to support your statement with an argument to back it up..

To quote Clive_Reston, "What the editorial note in Deadpool: Last Days of Magic #1 ACTUALLY says is "When Shiklah's Monster Metropolis falls under Empirikul attack*... *Takes place after Deadpool #11." But it doesn't say how LONG after Deadpool #11; it could just as well be after Deadpool #18."

It seems that The Last Days of Magic has to occur after CWII, as Dr Strange has the use of his Cloak of Levitation all through Civil War II, so Deadpool: Last Days of Magic cannot occur prior to Deadpool 18, which happens during CWII, if i'm not mistaken..