SECRET WARS to CIVIL WAR II

[Col_Fury]

Thanks!

ANW 1-6 happens over a handful of days (Doctor Strange with his axe appears, as does Wasp (published before ANADA 9), as does nu-Angel), and ANW 7 happens very shortly afterward (guest starring Squirrel Girl, same month as USQG2 7).

ANW 8-9 (guest starring old man Logan) lead pretty much right into ANW 10 (separated by a day, three at most), which is a CWII tie-in.

ANW@ 1 was published the same month as ANW 11, but likely occurs before ANW 8. Guest starring Spider-Woman (Gwen) (same month as SGWEN2 11 & WWARR 10 and after her Annual).

All-New Wolverine gets a supporting cast member in ANW 1-6 (Gabby, a younger clone of herself) who starts living with her. She can make appearances elsewhere with Gabby around, but probably not extended stories (meaning, she probably shouldn’t leave Gabby alone for weeks at a time). If there are any of those they should probably happen before ANW 1.

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OML2 1-4 happens over a week or so. When the old man appears on Earth-616 the All-New All-Different Avengers are already a team, so he obviously didn’t pop in right after SECRET WARS. Cho-Hulk, Kate-Hawkeye and old-Steve appear before the old man runs into the X-Men (Storm & Iceman). Obviously before Extraordinary X-Men #1 where he’s already on the team (I think? I dunno, haven’t read any of that yet but I see mention in this topic that it overlaps with OML2 4 so I guess I’ll find out soon enough). Definitely before AVENGERS STANDOFF!.

OML2 5-7 starts much later; the old man has been with the Extraordinary team for a bit now. He drives from New York to Alaska, so that lasts at least a week. Once he gets there he’s probably there at least a few days until the Reavers show up (yay!). So all in all, two weeks give or take? Also, as noted earlier, mid-late March.

OML2 8 once again starts much later and happens in one night. Steve Rogers is young again (so after AVENGERS STANDOFF!) and it’s mentioned that the old man has been on Earth-616 for “months.”

OML2 9-13 were published during CWII and probably/maybe happens sometime during that crossover.

[StrayLamb]

ANW@ 1 was published the same month as ANW 11, but likely occurs before ANW 8. Guest starring Spider-Woman (Gwen) (same month as SGWEN2 11 & WWARR 10 and after her Annual).

ANW@ 1 is one of the recent events mentioned in ANW 13. Also Gwen-65 still has her powers in ANW@ 1, so probably before SGWEN2 7-8, where her powers go on the fritz..

[Col_Fury]

When does Gwen get her powers back to normal?

[StrayLamb]

As of issue 31 she still hasn't got back her powers, and is using power-up devices. If it doesn't want to fit, it's possible that the Spider-Gwen encountered by Laura in ANW@ 1 may have been an alternate Gwen from a reality other that E-65, even though that's who it's supposed to be.

[Col_Fury]

Before SGWEN2 7 it is!

Thanks, Nick!

[Pete Wisdom]

ANW@ 1 was published the same month as ANW 11, but likely occurs before ANW 8.

IIRC Annual has a note saying that it happens before Civil War II if it helps.

OML2 1-4 happens over a week or so. When the old man appears on Earth-616 the All-New All-Different Avengers are already a team, so he obviously didn’t pop in right after SECRET WARS. Cho-Hulk, Kate-Hawkeye and old-Steve appear before the old man runs into the X-Men (Storm & Iceman). Obviously before Extraordinary X-Men #1 where he’s already on the team (I think? I dunno, haven’t read any of that yet but I see mention in this topic that it overlaps with OML2 4 so I guess I’ll find out soon enough).

Extraordinary X-Men #1 has the same scene of Logan meeting Storm and Iceman.

[Col_Fury]

Thanks!

EXX 1-5 happens fairly quickly and is where Storm assembles her X-Men team. She already had a bunch of X-characters with her (like Iceman, Magik & Forge), but this is where nu-Marvel Girl, Colossus, Nightcrawler & the old man join up. Also, the X-Mansion has already been in Limbo before EXX 1 starts, so it’s not like this has to happen early on or anything. Also, it’s midterms in a college semester.

Yes, EXX 1 (27-30) & OML2 4 (18-20) share a scene (same dialogue and everything), but OML2 4 was published five months after EXX 1, so OML2 4 just repeats EXX 1 with no new information.

EXX 6-7 starts soon after #5 and establishes that Nightcrawler went crazy “weeks” ago. Also, the X-Men go to Weirdworld but no recurring characters from there appear.

EXX 8 starts at some later point and is an Apocalypse Wars tie-in. I think I’ll have to get caught up on the other X-books before reading this… BUT! Given publication order I’m fairly certain this Apocalypse thing is pre-CWII.

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UX4 1 starts at some point before EXX 1 (the X-Men are still “in hiding,” so before Storm puts her full team together). UX4 1-5 is one adventure that probably lasts about a week. UX4 5 seems to end on a cliffhanger but thankfully, UX4 6 starts at some later point after Storm forms her new X-Men team and goes public. Also, Magneto’s team gets a new base in the Savage Land in #5, which is where they are in the X-Men CWII mini. UX4 6 is an Apocalypse Wars tie-in, so…

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ANX2 1 has the nu-X-Men (and All-New Wolverine, Genesis & Oya) all split up and globe-trotting (or maybe just country-trotting I guess), and have been for at least “weeks” (according to nu-Cyclops). Given that, most likely before All-New Wolverine gets a supporting cast member (so before ANW 1-7). “Summer” is mentioned so it’s possible this is fairly shortly after SECRET WARS, but we can ignore that if needed.

ANX2 1-7 are fairly unbroken but don’t happen in a day. The kids are travelling around the world having adventures. There is a possible break of time between ANX2 3-4 but they’ve been having adventures during that time as well. #7 mentions that Jean is still in school, so this is before she leaves in EXX 1.

ANX2 8 happens somewhere between a few days and a month later (nu-Cyclops is in the hospital after what happen in #7), Doctor Strange appears and a footnote points to DS4 6, but the plot relevant bit (magic not working right) just means it’s after DS4 1-2. The “team” has more or less broken up between issues and nu-Angel and All-New Wolverine are having a fight, possibly broken up. Of course, they’re still dating over in ANW 1-6, so, hmn. I guess we’ll see if they work things out.

ANX2 9 is an Apocalypse Wars tie-in, so things might get interesting/complicated…

[Col_Fury]

Well, look at that. Apocalypse Wars isn’t a crossover as such, but rather three different stories involving Apocalypse. Good, that means the various arcs don’t have to line up.

ANX2 9 starts at least “5 weeks” after ANX2 8. Cyclops is now in a wheelchair after what happened in ANX2 7. Also, it’s Genesis’ birthday. ANX2 9-11 happens in a day, but nu-Beast & Genesis travel back in time to meet young Apocalypse.

ANX2 12 says that nu-Cyclops has been in his wheelchair for “5 weeks,” so likely happens the day after ANX2 9-11. Also, #12 happens in a day. All-New Wolverine and nu-Angel make up, so that work out nicely. Yay! nu-Angel says he’s going to Milan Fashion Week (which is usually in September) but it’s also noted that no one pays that much attention to what he does and he didn’t really go anyway. This could be in September, or he could have been tossing something out as a clue that he wasn’t actually doing what he said.

ANX2 13 happens in a night, later in the same week as ANX2 9-11. Crystal and her Inhumans team appears. Same month as ANINHS 10 but I’m not sure how much that matters with this series and how it relates to ANW (and therefore the rest of the universe).

ANX2 14-16 happens at roughly the same time as #13 (that same night). Cyclops won’t start physical therapy for his busted leg for “another three weeks.”

ANX@2 1 was published the same month as ANX2 15. The nu-X-Men (plus the other three, minus nu-Jean) are still road-tripping. They now know that old man Wolverine and nu-Jean are with Storm’s X-Men, so after all of that gets going. nu-Cyclops’ leg is all healed, so after his physical therapy is completed (so likely several months after ANX2 12-16). All-New Wolverine and nu-Angel are still together (and still likely before ANW 1-6). Also, Storm cameos (same month as EXX 16). The second story features Dani Moonstar and Magik.

ANX2 17 is an IvX tie-in. No concrete mention of how long it’s been since last issue, but nu-Iceman is surprised to see everyone else (so in theory they ended their road tip and broke up at some point). Bobby has just had his fourth date with an Inhuman, but they could have only started dating recently. In any case, at this point we’re clearly past CWII.

So yeah, it’s looking like ANW 1-7 & its CWII tie-ins happens between ANX2 16-17 (and after the Annual).

[StrayLamb]

Well, look at that. Apocalypse Wars isn’t a crossover as such, but rather three different stories involving Apocalypse.

We have to let you discover some things for yourself..

[Col_Fury]

Ha! Indeed.

UX4 6-10 are Apocalypse Wars tie-ins, and Magento’s team deals with Archangel and an Apocalypse cult in the current day. Starts at some later point after #5 and happens fairly quickly. UX4 6/2 happens shortly after the initial EXX arc.

UX4 7 has a flashback to “6 months ago” and shows Magneto getting the idea to be proactive again after his death (he got better). Probably early on after SECRET WARS.

UX4 11-15 has Psylocke leave Magneto’s team. She’s still with Magneto in CWII:X, so we’re either into CWII or past it by this point.

UX4 12 has a flashback to “months ago” showing Magneto recruiting Psylocke onto his new team (she’s the first, so likely shortly after UX4 7-FB.

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EXX 8-12 are Apocalypse Wars tie-ins and Storm’s team travels to the future to deal with a possible Apocalypse. EXX 8/2 happens “five days” earlier and has Magik visiting Doctor Strange (who has his axe) (published two months after Strange’s appearance in ANW 4). EXX 8/2-FB shows Magik, Strange Scarlet Witch, Doctor Voodoo and Shaman moving the X-Mansion to Limbo but doesn’t say how long ago it was.

Colossus is turned into a Horseman of Apocalypse, and at a glance I don’t see him in CWII:X, so we’re still likely before CWII.

EXX@ 1 was published the same month as EXX 14. No Colossus and it’s a pretty quick prison break story (to save mutant inmates from the Terrigen cloud).

As mentioned, EXX@ 1/2 has an appearance by Moon Girl. It’s mentioned that she’s already been exposed to Terrigen.

EXX 13-16 wants to happen shortly after EXX 8-12. Magik is following a magic trail left behind by a supporting character (who left in EXX 8-12) and the others are searching for the missing Colossus. Lots of fighting in a short time and Colossus is saved.

I’m going to say that EXX 8-16 are all pre-CWII. There’s not a lot of space for “weeks” to pass in here. I can see EXX@ 1 happening between EXX 12-13 to give the X-Men a few days to recover and plan (and deal with a last-minute Terrigen problem), but not much more than that. Why is Colossus not in CWII:X? I dunno, maybe he’s recovering. Maybe he’s on vacation. Maybe he’s drunk. (-edit- Colossus is in CWII 3, so there you go)

EXX 17 is an IvX tie-in, so clearly post-CWII.

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BP:WWKND 1-6 fills in the backstory for some supporting characters.

BP:WWKND 1 starts “several months ago.” Pages 14-20 takes place during AvX.

BP:WWKND 2 goes from after AvX to INFINITY.

BP:WWKND 3 goes from INFINITY to SECRET WARS.

BP:WWKND 4 (1-4) takes place after SECRET WARS and before ULTS4 1 (and shortly before the formation of the Ultimates). (5-20) takes place the night after the Ultimates are formed.

BP:WWKND 5 picks up from #4’s end and overlaps with BP6 1. The Ultimates are already a thing in A6 0, so BP6 1 takes place before A6 0 (and ULTS4 1 of course).

BP:WWKND 6 has Black Panther bringing White Tiger (Kasper) out of “retirement.” Published the same month as BP6 13, it looks like White Tiger doesn’t appear again for another year after this. I guess this issue (which has basically nothing to do with the previous five) is in the current day and well after CWII.

BP&CREW 1-6 shows the (re-)formation of the Crew, which is already a thing by BP6 5. So, this takes place before BP6 1 (it’s getting crowded!). Spider-Miles is seen on a monitor in #2, so this is after SECRET WARS. Also, Daredevil is seen in his post-SECRET WARS suit on a monitor in the same issue, so after his ID is restored (that’s when he started wearing the new suit). Storm is wandering around Harlem so probably before the X-Mansion is relocated to Limbo.

Most likely we’re looking at:

SECRET WARS
DD5 17-20-FBs
BP&CREW 1-6
EXX 8/2-FB
BP:WWKND 4
BP6 1 ~ BP:WWKND 5
BP6 2-???
A6 0

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BP6 1 happens pretty quickly, probably in a day. BP6 2 is probably a day or three later. BP6 3 is probably a day or three later.

BP6 4 is at least a month later (something that happened after #3 was “last month”), but could be longer. Spans about a week. BP6 5 picks up shortly afterward, probably the next day. BP6 6 starts shortly-ish after that, possibly a few days or a week. Iron Man, Storm (in her Extraordinary outfit), Luke Cage & Misty Knight appear in BP6 6. BP6 7-8 happen on the same day.

BP6 9 happens at least “six months” after #8. So hey, let’s put CWII in there.

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BW8 1-12, as previously noted, occur at a time when Black Widow can’t appear anywhere else. It’s autumn in the states (and snowy in Russia, because of course there’s snow in Russia always). The series spans about a month, and Iron appears in #5-6 & 12. Maria Hill makes a few appearances, as does Winter Soldier. Given Winter Soldier, I’m inclined to say this is pre-AVENGERS STANDOFF! (before he gets tied up babysitting Kobik), which looks like it works for Black Widow.

And hey, three letters in one volume! I used to be a semi-regular letterhack back in the late ‘90s/early ’00s and have had a few printed in various books, but I don’t think I ever started a back-and-forth between fans in the column.

[StrayLamb]

And hey, three letters in one volume! I used to be a semi-regular letterhack back in the late ‘90s/early ’00s and have had a few printed in various books, but I don’t think I ever started a back-and-forth between fans in the column.

Yep, that was pretty cool. I was surprised they printed them in full. Plus they gave me the last word.

[Col_Fury]

P11 1-12 are all one uninterrupted chain of events, and of course #13 picks up from there (Punisher had been out of town during the previous 12 issues and he makes his comeback in 12/13). P11 1-13 last at least a month, but probably a little longer than that. It's also noted that it's starting to get cold at night (in New England), so this is all likely in the autumn following CWII.

P@4 1 happens on Halloween and was published the same month as P11 6. This can't happen anywhere near publication order, so my default is to say this happened in the past (as opposed to the future). If so, it takes place before P11 1, and on the same Halloween as seen in ANADM/PO.

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UGP 1 takes place shortly after GP SPEC (Gwenpool is trying to open a checking account in UGP 1 with the money she made in GP SPEC). UGP 2 takes that same night and guest stars Thor (and Cap Sam cameos). UGP 3 picks up where #2 left off and guest stars Doctor Strange (still with his red cloak, so either before CWII or during). UGP 4 happens a day or three later, and UGP 5-6 happens on the next day (while school is in session). So we’re talking… a week?

UGP 6 has a jokey CIVIL WAR II cover. Being Gwenpool I’m not putting much stock into that.

UGP 7-9 happens a few days, maybe a week after #6 and Gwenpool says in #7 that “not too long” after she arrived on Earth-616 was when the events of #1 happened.

UGP 10 happens the next day and we finally get a clear break in the action.

Doctor Strange tells us this is before CWII, so I’m going to take that “not too long” to mean “a few months” and say this happens shortly before CWII starts.

[Pete Wisdom]

Gwenpool mentions calling Champions for help in #9.

In second Gwenpool Special she's still part of M.O.D.O.K., but M.O.D.O.K. is no longer there. For Hastings's Gwenpool alone it works between #6 and #7. Or maybe between #4 and #5.

[Col_Fury]

You're right! That means #7-10 are post-CWII.

In that case we're just going to have to punch a big old hole between UGP 6-7. Also, I just noticed that MODOK appears in flashback in CWII 3 in his classic look, so UGP (with MODOK in a new look) should probably happen after that.

So, UGP 1-6 are during CWII.

Yay!

[Pete Wisdom]

Gwenpool shows up in Rocket Raccoon & Groot CWII tie-in, but I don't remember if this has any clues as to when it happens in terms of her series and whether or not it sets those first six issues firmly somewhere. Eh, maybe it doesn't matter at this point yet.