SECRET EMPIRE to WAR of the REALMS

[Somebody]

In DDP 300 Deadpool wipes his memory of (basically) the Duggan run (and maybe even the Way run).

He explicitly states that the last thing he remembers is fighting Black Box, Black Tom and a Black Swan.

[Col_Fury]

Ah ha! Well done.

[Col_Fury]

SOV 1-5 pretty obviously happens before DS:DAMN. (also, what we currently have as SOV should probably be GR/BLAZE:SOV)

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As is par for the course for a Peter David comic, BRSCR 8-14 happens over a day or two, and is most likely the day before DS:DAMN 1. BRSCR 15-17 are DS:DAMN crossover issues.

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DS4 25 is a quick little adventure.

DS4 26 is another quick little adventure.

DS 383-FB is where Loki becomes Sorcerer Supreme. According to DS 386 this was “a couple of weeks ago.”

DS 381 has Loki already doing Sorcerer Supreme stuff, and Strange already working as a veterinarian.

Loki appears as Sorcerer Supreme in ASM 785.

DS 382-385 happens over maybe a few days, Loki stops being Sorcerer Supreme and Strange fixes magic (basically).

DS 386-389 are DS:DAMN crossover issues and Strange “fixes” Las Vegas. Probably shortly after DS 385, a few days or a week? Mighty Thor appears.

MT2 20-23 & T 700-706 is the end of Mighty Thor’s stint as Thor. Doctor Strange appears still working as a veterinarian.

DS 390 has Doctor Strange closing up his vet clinic and shaving off his beard. DS:DAMN was “not (even) two weeks ago.” Also, Spider-Man appears (same month as ASM 800).

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IF5 1-7 & IF 73-77 is one great big unbroken plot. In IF5 1 Danny mentions he’s been wandering the world for “months” (that might end up being “weeks”). The actual plot itself (once it starts) lasts maybe a week or so. Sabretooth appears in IF 73-77 (same month as WX3 10-14). IF 78-80 are DS:DAMN crossover issues.

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LC 1-5 & 166-169 is another great big unbroken plot. LC 168-FB has Ringmaster being transferred to a new prison “18 months ago” and he’s been there ever since. That works fine after his appearance in SCRW2 8, but he appears in CA:SR 13 which is shortly before SECEMP. We’ll either have to ignore the “a8 months” bit or assume Ringmaster was put back into the same prison he came from after SECEMP.

LC 170 has Luke spending the day with his family (same month as DEF5 10 & JJ 17).

[Col_Fury]

FAL2 1 has Falcon getting used to his new suit, so in theory this should be the first appearance of it. Also, the new Patriot is still in training, so likely before his appearance in CHMPS2 16-18. Mephisto appears in FAL2 2, so before DS:DAMN. So does Thanos (same as THANOS2 13). Doctor Voodoo’s in FAL2 3 (same month as UA3 30). Hellstrom appears in FAL3 4 (same as SOV 4).

FAL2 1-5 happens over a few days / less than a week.

FAL2 6-8 happens pretty fast. Mephisto appears again, so we’re still before DS:DAMN. FAL2 7-FB is shortly after FAL2 5 and is “weeks ago.” FAL2 8-FB is at the end of SECEMP and is “months ago.”

Thing and Human Torch appear in FAL2 6 (same as M/TIO2 4).

[MarvelBoy2002]

Colonel, you forget to include Avengers: Back to Basics mini-series. I'm pretty sure it takes place during Champions v2.

[Col_Fury]

Now that you mention it, I don't think we've included any of the Comixology exclusive comics yet. Back to Basics, Immortal Iron Fists and some others (a Black Panther one and a Thor vs. Hulk one, right?). If anyone wanted to do analyses of them...

Also, MK 188 lasts quite some time, but it doesn’t really matter because Moon Knight doesn’t actually appear in this issue.

MK 189-193 probably lasts a week or two, but there are no guest stars so, you know, whatever. There’s at least a bit of a break between MK 193-194, and another between MK 194-195.

Moon Knight appears in DS:DAMN, which probably happens between MK 193-194 (MK 194 and DS:DAMN 4 came out the same month).

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C4 1-5 is almost entirely time travel; only the last page of C4 5 is in the present day and only Cable appears on that page. It could happen anywhere, but as Somebody pointed out Cable has his “classic” arm back in C4 1-5, whereas his UA3-style AI arm is still the case in DDP 287-291 and is a plot point, so C4 1-5 likely happens after DDP 287-291 (despite being published first).

C 150-154 is another time travel story and I’m not seeing anything that happens in the current day. Cable still has his “classic” arm and could go anywhere after C4 5.

Cable appears in SM2 21, SM2 240-FB and IM 600 in a subplot where he’s trying to recruit Spider-Miles into being a… time travelling spy or something? Anyway, SM2 21 came out the same month as C 150. SM2 240 and IM 600 both came out the same month as C 157.

C 155-159 does have some current day parts with guest stars (but these issues are mostly flashbacks). Kitty and the X-School appear in C 155 (same month as X:G 23-24). C 159’s last page is a lead-in to EXTERMINATION, but that last page can easily happen much later if needed.

So for Cable, in theory:

DDP 287-291 (AI arm)
C4 1-5 (“classic” arm)
SM2 21
C 150-154
SM2 240-FB
IM 600
C 155-159
EXTRMNTN 1

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H4 11 is a one-night story.

SH 159-FB is “a week ago.” SH 159 happens in a day and She-Hulk is drugged/abducted. SH 160-FB (the same scene as SH 159-FB) is “two weeks ago,” so I guess She-Hulk’s been drugged/imprisoned for a week? SH 160-161 happen in a day and Leader appears (in his classic look).

SH 162 is shortly after last issue (a few days, maybe?) and She-Hulk goes back to being green (yay!). If She-Hulk makes any grey appearances elsewhere they’ll have to go before SH 159.

SH 163-FB happens at the start of a school year (bigots are protesting a mutant being elected class president); the student’s mother beats up one of the protestors. At some later point She-Hulk becomes the mother’s lawyer (SH 163-FB again) and her law firms gives her grief for representing a mutant case. Recently (unseen) the mother is found guilty of assault and is sent to prison for five years. Now, SH 163 happens during prom (She-Hulk is chaperoning and keeping an eye on the class president). We’re clearly past SECEMP by this point and into the “summer,” but with the fascist takeover of the US government I’m going to say it screwed up the school schedule. *shrug*

SH 163 (the now portion) lasts two days; She-Hulk quits her law firm in the second day. Definitely before A7 1 (where She-Hulk is green).

[StrayLamb]

ASM@ 42 happens in a day. The second story apparently happens on Spider-Man's birthday but I don't think that'll work out.

ASM 794 happens in a day, and Osborn acquires the Carnage symbiote.

ASM 795-FB happens in the same day as ASM 794 and Spider-Man and Mockingbird break up.

ASM 795 could be shortly after ASM 794, but Peter needs enough time to find a new apartment. So, a week or two? Osborn finally bonds with the Carnage symbiote. After DS 381. I hear that Peter is still staying at Bobbi’s place over in SM/DP, so I guess I’ll have to read some of that.

ASM@ 42 seems to cover a little more than a day. Pages 1-2 are a flashback to "weeks ago", pages 3-6 are the seance, and it appears to be early evening. Pages 7-29:3 are probably the next day. Pages 29:4-30 are sometime later, after Alchemax has removed the Titium statue (as referenced in ASM 796) and the city has erected the memorial to Ned Leeds. The editorial intro infers the issue occurs during the events of Threat Level: Red, so probably in the gap between ASM 795 & 796. The annual came out the same month as those two issues.

ASM@ 42/2 has Pete living in his new apartment and working as science editor at the Bugle, otherwise, apart from it being his birthday, there are no references to anything else going on in his life.

Edit - also, ASM 42/2 may take place after ASM 796 as this issue seems to be the first time Pete and MJ have caught up in a while, so the birthday party is likely after this.

[Col_Fury]

All excellent points!

Also, Doctor Doom appears in UGP 21-23 in his “Iron Man” look (published the same months as IM 593-595).

UGP 24-25 happens shortly after that, maybe a few days.

Check this out for a discussion on the oddities of UGP 25.

[StrayLamb]

A couple of notes on the Chernayan coup timeline:

Punisher 218-228 occurs after IM 600, as well as Tales of Suspense 100-104 & Secret Warriors 6-12. Punisher, TOS, and Secret Warriors, all written by Matthew Rosenberg, are all set against the backdrop of the Chernayan coup.

I think the timeline for these issues goes something like this..

TOS 103 (1-5)-FB [Natasha wakes up to find herself in a Red Room facility]
TOS 103 (6-10)-FB ["Weeks Later" Natasha discovers the clones]
TOS 100 (1-7) [Clint in NYC prior to coup; decides to head to Chernaya]
SECWARR2 6 (1-7) [11am: Karnak warns Ahura to get his goods shipped out of Chernaya asap]
TOS 100 (8-20) [Clint & Bucky in Chernaya just as General Petrov's military coup erupts]
SECWARR2 (8-20) [8pm, same day: Ahura learns of the coup]
SECWARR2 7-12 [Occurs over a few days; Ms Marvel, Quake, and Deadpool appear; this could also be after TOS 104, but has to be prior to P 227]
TOS 103 (11-12)-FB ["Four Days After" Natasha discovers the clones]
TOS 101 [Clint & Bucky are back in NYC]
TOS 102 (1-16) [Clint & Bucky find Cady dead]
TOS 103 (13-15)-FB ["Two Days After" Cady's death]
TOS 102 (17-20) } [Clint & Bucky...
TOS 103 (16-20) } ... encounter Natasha]
TOS 104 [Nat tells Clint to forget her and move on with his life, and tells Bucky to meet her "in a week"]
P 218-228 [General Petrov appears to have been in power in Chernaya for some time; after IM 600]

I've just noticed that in P 218 Nick Fury mentions the coup has occured within the past 72 hours, but by P 223 Petrov has been in power for 3 weeks. So my timeline here needs adjusting..

TOS 103 (1-5)-FB [Natasha wakes up to find herself in a Red Room facility]
TOS 103 (6-10)-FB ["Weeks Later" Natasha discovers the clones]
TOS 100 (1-7) [Clint in NYC prior to coup; decides to head to Chernaya]
SECWARR2 6 (1-7) [11am: Karnak warns Ahura to get his goods shipped out of Chernaya asap]
TOS 100 (8-20) [Clint & Bucky in Chernaya just as General Petrov's military coup erupts]
SECWARR2 (8-20) [8pm, same day: Ahura learns of the coup]
SECWARR2 7-12 [Occurs over a few days; Ms Marvel, Quake, and Deadpool appear; this could also be after TOS 104, but has to be prior to P 227]
TOS 103 (11-12)-FB ["Four Days After" Natasha discovers the clones]
TOS 101 [Clint & Bucky are back in NYC]
TOS 102 (1-16) [Clint & Bucky find Cady dead]
P 218-219 [72 hours after the coup Nick Fury Jr tasks Frank Castle with obtaining the War Machine armor and he flies to Chernaya]
TOS 103 (13-15)-FB ["Two Days After" Cady's death]
TOS 102 (17-20) } [Clint & Bucky...
TOS 103 (16-20) } ... encounter Natasha]
TOS 104 [Nat tells Clint to forget her and move on with his life, and tells Bucky to meet her "in a week"]
P 220-228 [General Petrov has been in power for three weeks; after IM 600]

Also, in ASM 796 MJ mentions that Iron Man hasn't been seen in months, placing that issue before IM 598-600, but in ASM 797, which takes place "a few days" later, MJ implies that Stark's back, in ASM 799 she says Iron Man's "out of town", and in ASM 800 she says Iron Man and the Avengers are off in space. I suggest that IM 598-600 occurs between ASM 796 & ASM 797. The mission involving Iron Man and the Avengers in space may well be undocumented, and Iron Man may have just returned when he confronts Punisher with Rhodey in P 227-228.

[Col_Fury]

A 675-689 happens over a few days at some point after Captain America returns from his road trip.

Captain Marvel is with Alpha Flight (same time as CM6 128-129 and two months past that).

Doctor Strange briefly appears twice; once in his Sanctum and another time in the street. Both times he's in his blue cloak, so in theory this is before Loki becomes Sorcerer Supreme (Loki repairs Strange's red cloak, wears it while he's Sorcerer Supreme, then returns it when Strange returns; Loki lives in the Sanctum while he's Sorcerer Supreme) (same as DS 384-387). If this is before DS 383-FB then it's also before DS:DAMN.

Mighty Thor appears, so at least before MT2 20-23 & T 700-706.

Iron Fist briefly appears (same as IF 76-80 & DEF5 9-10 and two months past that).

Daredevil briefly appears (same as DD 597-601 & DEF5 9-10 and two months past that).

The Champions briefly appear (same as CHMPS2 16-19). CHMPS2 16-18 happens within days of A 674, so likely between CHMPS2 18-19.

Spider-Man briefly appears (same as ASM 794-799 & PPSSM 299-303).

Human Torch appears (same as M/TIO2 2-5). Also, before Rogue returns to the X-Men (and possibly before M/TIO2 1 for Johnny).

Falcon appears in his new suit (same as FAL2 4-7).

The X-Men appear at the end (same as X:G 25-26) as well as Old Man Logan (same as OML2 38).

Iron Man is nowhere to been seen or even mentioned (same as IM 596-599).

A 690 happens a few days or a week later and has probably my favorite capsule description of the Avengers: "(The Avengers) fight together against what can't be fought alone, for those who can't fight at all."

[Clive_Reston]

Now that you mention it, I don't think we've included any of the Comixology exclusive comics yet. Back to Basics, Immortal Iron Fists and some others (a Black Panther one and a Thor vs. Hulk one, right?). If anyone wanted to do analyses of them... :wink

There are a few others (including some recent ones, like the new Jessica Jones series). I made a (flawed) case for placement of Thor Vs. Hulk in viewtopic.php?t=13866 ...

[Col_Fury]

A note on Captain Marvel:

CM 125-126 [No Alpha Flight Space Station; Carol heads into a parallel universe; any appearance of the AFSS must occur after this]
CM 127-129 [After an unspecified period of time in the parallel dimension, Carol returns to find the AFSS rebuilt, up and running; No appearances for Carol on the AFSS in the interim]

Yup. And CM6 125 says MCM 9 was “days ago.”

TAH 23 & IH2 709-713 (1-17) happen pretty closely together. Cho decides to do something about his Hulk personality and gets shot into space, landing on Sakaar. Unworthy Thor appears.

IH2 713 (18-20) & 414-717 (1-17) has Cho-Hulk returning to Earth along with Unworthy Thor. This is “a month” after IH2 713 (1-17); no appearances for Cho or Thor in the meantime. Alpha Flight and Captain Marvel appear (so after CM6 129). Cho is powered down and is now a smaller version of a Hulk.

IH2 717 (18-20) is “three months later.” Matt Murdock appears and Cho’s legal troubles are ended (It’s not clear if he’s been in custody for those “3 months” or if he was let out on bail or something) (Cho appears in IM 600, SM2 239-240, A 675-690 & DOMINO3 2-3 around this time). IH2 717 says Cho’s story is continued in CHMPS2 22.

CHMPS2 19 says it’s been at least “three weeks” since CHMPS2 18. CHMPS2 19-21 happens pretty quickly, and Captain Marvel appears with Alpha Flight (so after CM6 129).

Yup, CHMPS2 22 picks up from IH2 717 (but not immediately). Cho changes his name from Hulk to Brawn and is the first time he’s seen Ironheart since IH2 717. Also, this is after INFINITY COUNTDOWN: CHAMPIONS #1-2; there, Ironheart gets her armor destroyed and in CHMPS2 22 she debuts her new armor. Snowguard debuts in CHAMPS2 19-21, then appears in the COUNTDOWN mini. Cho does not appear in the COUNDTOWN mini. Also, CHMPS2 22 has Vision’s repairs finally complete from A 675-690, so there shouldn’t be any appearances for Vision between A 690 and CHMPS2 22. Also, CHMPS2 22 says A 675-690 was “a few weeks ago.” ALSO, an editor’s box in CHMPS2 22 says Miles is still in the hospital, so between SM2 240-FB & SM2 240, but there’s a problem with that:

CHMPS2 19-21 (Alpha Flight & Capt. Marvel appear) (Vision has been helping w/ new ship)
A 675-690 (Cho appears, Vision damaged)
TAH 23 & IH2 709-713 (1-17) (Cho & Unworthy Thor in space) [“1 month” before IH2 713 (18-20]
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IH2 713 (18-20) & IH2 714-717 (1-17) (Cho & Unworthy Thor return, Alpha Flight & Capt. Marvel, Spider-Miles) (Cho powered down)
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ICDWN:CHMPS2 1-2 (Sam stops being Nova)
IH2 717 (18-20) [“3 months” after IH2 717 (1-17)]
CHMPS2 22 (Vision repaired) (Miles in hospital) (Sam no longer Nova)
SM2 240 (Miles leaves hospital) (Sam still Nova) (Cho still Hulk)

Maybe Miles isn’t in the hospital, but he’s been released and is still recovering? If so:

CHMPS2 19-21 (Alpha Flight & Capt. Marvel appear) (Vision has been helping w/ new ship)
A 675-690 (Cho appears, Vision damaged)
TAH 23 & IH2 709-713 (1-17) (Cho & Unworthy Thor in space) [“1 month” before IH2 713 (18-20]
……
IH2 713 (18-20) & IH2 714-717 (1-17) (Cho & Unworthy Thor return, Alpha Flight & Capt. Marvel, Spider-Miles) (Cho powered down)
……
SM2 240 (Miles leaves hospital) (Sam still Nova) (Cho still Hulk)
ICDWN:CHMPS2 1-2 (Sam stops being Nova)
IH2 717 (18-20) [“3 months” after IH2 717 (1-17)]
CHMPS2 22 (Vision repaired) (Miles recovering) (Sam no longer Nova)

Either way, Cho is drawn at the wrong size in SM2 240. CHMPS2 22 was published two months after SM2 240; IH2 717 was the same month as SM2 240.

[StrayLamb]

Cap appears at Absorbing Man’s funeral in BB 9 (see below). Cap is already on his road trip in M/:LEG 1, which continues in CA 695-700.

CA 695 is one day. CA 696 is one day, some time later. CA 697 is another day and overlaps with CA 700 (due to time travel). CA 698-700 is an alternate future starring an alternate Cap that saves our Cap from the same fate. CA 701-704 is a different alternate future. There are some -FBs in CA 701-704 that are Earth-616 but we can worry about those later.

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I forgot about CA 695 being on July 4; maybe it's actually Labor Day (or something)? *waves hand in the air*

I've just noticed in CA 695 (13:5), which is supposed to be July 4, that someone says Cap beat up his Hydra double "a few months back." At the end of CA 700, in the letter Cap writes to Sharon, he mentions that Tony has been putting money into his account, and will pay him back on their next poker night, so this must be after IM 600. Looks like Cap's road trip is an extended tour covering much of the country over several months. He must return to NYC as required. Cap's in Washington, DC in A 675, returning to Avengers Mansion in A 690 [No Surrender] (Feb-June 18), and attends Crusher Creel's funeral in Black Bolt 9 (March 18).

Kraven the Hunter appears in CA 697 (March 18). For what it's worth, Kraven appears in a number of comics during this period: Venom 155-158 (Dec 17 to Jan 18), Jessica Jones 15 (Feb 18), and Old Man Logan 41-42 (Aug 18).

[Somebody]

Little oddity from today's X-Men Blue #35, a prelude to Extermination where the O5 kids are talking to their older selves about going back - Cullen Bunn writes (adult) Archangel exactly the way he left him from his Uncanny X-Men run, as a pacifist who doesn't especially resemble any prior version of Warren.

In-between, of course, has been Charles Soule's Astonishing X-Men run, which reverted Warren to his Kyle/Yost-era status quo of "normal" Warren/Angel who hulks out to "Angel of Death" Archangel (supposedly X fixed the "Angel of Death" thing so Warren was in full control of Archangel, but with the end-of-run mindwipe, that part didn't stick to judge from Rosenberg's ASTONX@, where he's again doing the Banner thing of trying to stay calm to avoid letting Archangel out).

So, here's the question - remembering that Soule's AstonXM #1-12 only actually lasts a day or so, and must take place before Hunt for Wolverine (because of Psylocke's reversion to Caucasian), would it be possible to plonk it after this, or are there more serious problems (Old Man Logan's status, perhaps?) that aren't publication order preventing it?

[Clive_Reston]

Kraven the Hunter appears in CA 697 (March 18). For what it's worth, Kraven appears in a number of comics during this period: Venom 155-158 (Dec 17 to Jan 18), Jessica Jones 15 (Feb 18), and Old Man Logan 41-42 (Aug 18).

Kraven is also in Unbeatable Squirrel Girl v2 #32-35 during the same period, a story I suspect is going to make more sense if it's set after those (it involves him kind of turning over a new leaf).