SECRET EMPIRE to WAR of the REALMS

[Col_Fury]

At the very least for the old man and Cable, we have

PHXR:ROJG 1-5 (Hope's eye fine)
C 155-159 (Hope gets eye scarred)
ASTONX4 1-12 (healing factor pretty great, Hope's scarred eye)
OML2 31-38 (healing factor goes bad, before DD 598-605)
-several other OML2 & WX3 comics-
EXTRMNTN 2 (characters comment on bad healing factor)

I haven't read it yet, but I know X:B 21-22 crosses over with V 162-163, which is after Kingpin becomes NYC mayor. Apparently, because of nu-Jean X:B 29 has to happen after the Venomized mini and PHXR:ROJG (which makes sense; X:B 29 was published after both of those). It looks like X:B 29-30 is an epilogue to Venomized. The old man has two sets of metal claws in Venomized, which gives us

DD 595
V 155-158
V 159-160 / ASM 792-793
V 162-163 / X:B 21-22
Venomized (before OML2 31, so before DD 598)
X:B 29-30

(Venomized has a bunch of guest stars (Champions, Avengers, X-Men, Defenders w/Daredevil) and was published after A 690 & DEF5 10, and at the same time as ASM 798-800, CHMPS2 19-20, OML2 38-40, X:B 25-28 & X:G 25-28. Also, DD 601-603)

ASTONX4 12 was published at the same time as X:B 29-30 & X:G 29-30.

It looks like it may be possible for ASTONX4 1-12 to happen after X:B 35, depending on how things work out in X:B and how it leads in to EXTRMNTN 1. Of course, I still haven't read a lot of this yet and X:B 36 isn't even out yet (right?). If it's not possible, though, maybe Warren reverted to his "pacifist" phase in an attempt to avoid "Hulking out"?

[Col_Fury]

X:B 10-12 happens in a night and seems to be shortly after SECEMP (nu-Scott & nu-Jean are still figuring out their new-ish mental link).

X:G 9 lasts two days and has Kitty going to Washington. No mention of how long it’s been since SECEMP. Ends with a subplot about Omega Red.

X:G 10-11 lasts a day or three and has the X-Men fighting Omega Red. This doesn’t have to be shortly after X:G 9; Omega Red could have been getting used to being revived and him using his powers at the start of #10 could just be the latest example of several unseen examples.

X:G 12 is mostly flashbacks to fill in Kologoth’s backstory. An epilogue leads directly into a crossover between X:G & X:B.

X:G 13-15 & X:B 13-15 is a crossover that happens in a day. Spider-Man and the Champions cameo (same time as ASM 789-791 & CHMPS2 13-14).

X:B 16-20 is a time travel adventure; maybe an hour passes in the current day. Bobby is watching Mojo’s TV network (which came about in the B/G crossover) but it doesn’t say how long it’s been around.

V 161 is an epilogue to the ASM / V crossover, and happens maybe a day or four after that. Spider-Woman guest stars.

X:B@ 1 / V 162-163 / X:B 21-22 has the nu-X-Men and Venom teaming up and having an adventure in space. The Nova Corps appears (published the month after GOTG 150). Ends on a cliffhanger that’s continued in VIZED.

X:B 23-28 happens while the nu-X-Men are off in space (they appear making their way back to Earth). X:B 23 says it's been "weeks" since at least X:B 12. X:B 27-FB (Magneto & Polaris chatting about Havok) is also "weeks" ago. Also, Havok is finally fixed (yay!). Daken appears.

The nu-X-Men return to Earth in VIZED 1-5 which has even more guest stars than I mentioned earlier. Cap (CA 700-701), Mighty Thor (so before her story ends, month after DS:DAMN), Thing (M/TIO2 5-6), Ms. Marvel (MSM4 29-30), Moon Girl (between MG&DDINO 30-31) and the Monsters Unleashed kid (after MU3 12). Cletus appears but doesn’t have the Carnage symbiote, so it could either be before or after ASM 794. Agent Anti-Venom appears, so this is before ASM 800.

Um, Rage appears, but he was declared brain dead in CA:SAMW 20 (pre-SECEMP). I guess he got better?

V 164-165 happens at some later point; it doesn’t say how long it’s been since the crossover. Shocker appears (published before MSM4 34). It’s been “months” since V 160. One or two days.

X:B 29-32 is an epilogue to VIZED and happens maybe a few days after that. Two or three days. Daken appears.

X:B 33 is a flashback to between X:B 27-28; most of X:B 34 is the same and the rest is shortly after X:B 32. Maybe a day or a week later.

X:B 35 has the nu-X-Men preparing to go back to their own time. It could be shortly after X:B 32 but doesn’t have to be (they’re trying to figure out how to reset themselves and don’t have a solution yet).

I see now what Somebody was talking about with Archangel. It really does look like X:B 35 should go before ASTONX4 1-12. Hopefully next week’s X:B 36 allows for that.

ASTONX@2 1 happens over three days (but the original X-Men don’t remember them). Obviously after ASTONX4 1-12 (but how long after?). Published the same month as X:R 7.

[StrayLamb]

I see now what Somebody was talking about with Archangel. It really does look like X:B 35 should go before ASTONX4 1-12. Hopefully next week’s X:B 36 allows for that.

In ASTONX4 12, X gives Warren the power to be the Angel, the Archangel, or just himself, as he desires. Maybe the way he is depicted in X:B 35 is just part of the way he perceives himself to be as he looks after the Sleepers.?

[Col_Fury]

Right, but at the end of ASTONX4 12 X mindwipes everyone. And then in ASTONX@2 1 (expressly after ASTONX4 12), Warren is terrified of turning into Archangel because Archangel is an out of control monster.

And yet, in X:B 35 Archangel is talking (eloquently) about taking care of Xorn's people (implying that X:B 35 is shortly after Xorn's apparent death in X:B 28).

In theory,

UX4 19 (Archangel not scary)
SECEMP apps (with Xorn)
ICE3 6-7 (shortly after SECEMP, Champions reunion, just Warren no Archangel)
MULTM 1 (Archangel hanging out w/X-Men)
X:B 35 (Archangel eloquent, looking after Xorn's people)
ASTONX4 1-12 (Warren terrified of Archangel, then gets fixed by X, then gets mindwiped by X)
ASTONX@2 1 (Warren terrified of Archangel, doesn't recall Archangel killing someone)
EXTRMNTN 2 (just Warren, no speaking lines)

[StrayLamb]

I get it.

I guess that means all of X:B 29-35 would have to be placed after Phoenix Resurrection and before OML 31 & DD 595, along with Cable 155-159, PPSSM 6 & 297-307, ASM 791-793, Venom 159-163, Venomized 1-5, and probably SM/DP 27-36, as they're all interconnected. Even if OML's claws could be passed off as an art error, his healing factor can't really be ignored.

One problem that i can see is in placing Venomized before OML 31-33. Eye-Boy gets killed in Venomized, but is alive and well in OML 39-40. So theoretically Venomized, and hence X:B 29-35 should go after OML 39-40, which sorta blows everything up.

[Col_Fury]

I see Eye-Boy getting shot with a symbiote in VIZED 1, and I see him letting out a "YEEEEEAAAAARGH!" in VIZED 4, but I don't see a corpse or anyone declaring him dead. OML2 39-40 were published the same month as VIZED 5 (the month after VIZED 1-4), and then Eye-Boy appears again (alive) in ICE4 1 four months later. I think Eye-Boy's fine.

Also,

X:G 16-20 has the X-Men going to the Negative Zone. Rachel is injured and her hound scars return. No mention of how long it’s been since last issue.

X:G@ 1’s recap page says this story happens between X:G 22-23 but I’m going to say it goes between X:G 20-21 (it came out the same month as X:G 20). The X-Men are under arrest between X:G 22-23 and so aren’t available to appear elsewhere. The old man appears here, but has left the X-Men for an extended trip in X:G 21 (and is still gone through X:G 25). Rachel has her hound markings, so it can’t be before X:G 16. Yes, the implication is that she’s just woken up in X:G 21, but we don’t see her wake up. Maybe she’s just now ready to talk about her hound markings in X:G 21 but not in X:G@ 1 yet? Anyway, this issue was fantastic. Captain Britain and Meggan have a new baby!

X:G 21-22 has the old man leaving the X-Men to take a trip “to Canada for a bit, then Japan.” He’s talking about the Negative Zone trip as if it were fairly recent. Rachel has already woken up and now explains her hound markings to Kitty and Kurt. The X-Men are arrested and She-Hulk appears (as Jenifer Walters, same month as SH 162).

X:G 23 has the X-Men arriving in prison (so shortly after last issue) and Iceman returns to the X-Men (after ICE3 11). Rogue appears (same as A 683-686). Probably after A 690 given the “going back to the X-Men” comment.

X:G 23-25 happens over a few days. Storm gets a Thor hammer again.

X:WED has the bride deciding to go ahead with the marriage.

X:G 26 (1-15) seems to be shortly after X:G 25. Storm still has her hammer.

X:WED /2 is the bachelor party. Absolutely after DS:DAMN.

X:G 26 (16-20), X:G 27-29 continues directly from X:WED /2. Alpha Flight Space Station is up and running.

X:WED /3 is the bachelorette party. After RG&GAM (which sounds recent).

X:G 30 is the wedding, but it doesn’t go the way you might think… to be continued in Mr. & Mrs. X #1! (but probably not directly after) I don't see them in the story, but real Jean and Archangel appear on the cover. I'd like to err on the side of caution and put this after PHXR:ROJG 1-5 and before ASTONX4 1-12. Also, real Wolverine appears (without being seen by anyone), so after all of those "Where is Wolverine" teaser pages, maybe?

X:G 31-32 is the morning after last issue.

X:G 33-35 picks up shortly after last issue. Could either be the same day or the day after. Real Jean appears in #33 (same as X:R 7). It’s been “a few months” since X:G 9. Storm loses her hammer. Lasts a few days.

X:G 36 is long enough after last issue for Colossus to grow a full beard, so maybe a month?

X:G@ 2 is set entirely in the past and it’s fantastic.

[StrayLamb]

I see Eye-Boy getting shot with a symbiote in VIZED 1, and I see him letting out a "YEEEEEAAAAARGH!" in VIZED 4, but I don't see a corpse or anyone declaring him dead. OML2 39-40 were published the same month as VIZED 5 (the month after VIZED 1-4), and then Eye-Boy appears again (alive) in ICE4 1 four months later. I think Eye-Boy's fine.

Okay, cool. I thought killing off Eye-Boy was a bit rough anyway.

[Somebody]

X:B 35 has the nu-X-Men preparing to go back to their own time. It could be shortly after X:B 32 but doesn’t have to be (they’re trying to figure out how to reset themselves and don’t have a solution yet).

I see now what Somebody was talking about with Archangel. It really does look like X:B 35 should go before ASTONX4 1-12. Hopefully next week’s X:B 36 allows for that.

Preview's out. Looks like it's one of those situations which is intended to take place shortly after the previous issue, but doesn't really have to, because the only link is implicit

[StrayLamb]

Has anyone noticed Husk.? She appears in Spider-Man/Deadpool 24-36 with a very different look to what she has in Generation X 8-9 & 86-87, sporting a different costume, and with much longer hair (or is it a wig?).

[Col_Fury]

Husk's power is changing her appearance, so I'm not too bothered about grouping her "looks." Maybe she presents herself differently depending on the company she keeps?

Also,

X:R@ 1-FB takes place immediately after PHXR:ROJG 5. Black Bolt appears, so after BB 12. Archangel is seen in Jean’s mind so before ASTONX4 1-12. Rachel has her hound markings so after X:G 20. X:R@ 1 is “later,” but probably not much later. Jean has decided to make the world a better place. The way I’m seeing it:

JG 4-10
PHXR:ROJG 1-3 (before GENX2 8)
JG 11 (1-28)
PHXR:ROJG 4-5
X:R@ 1-FB (after BB 12 & X:G 20, before ASTONX4 1)
JG 11 (29-30)
X:R@ 1

The “now” portion of X:R 1 is “two months” after X:R 1-FB. X:R 2-7 continue from X:R 1-FB.

X:R 1-FB starts Jean’s mission of making the world a better place, but she’s framed for killing an ambassador at the United Nations. Nightcrawler is clean-shaven. Black Panther appears (same as BP 170) as do All-New Wolverine and Honey Badger (same as ANW 31, but likely after ANW 32).

X:R 2 is shortly after X:R 1-FB; Jean and her pals have asylum in Wakanda.

X:R 3 continues from #2 and Gambit appears (same as RG&GAM 4). Storm appears without her Thor hammer (same as X:G 25-26), so likely before X:G 23. Characters at the X-Mansion appear having a drama-filled discussion, so likely before X:WED & X:G 26.

X:R 4 continues from #3 and Nightcrawler now has stubble. Jean’s pals get new uniforms and they’re now staying in Atlantis. Black Panther appears some more (the month after BP 172). Jean learns the villain is using nano-Sentinels to make people more bigoted toward mutants. The end of this issue has the villain spreading the nano-Sentinels across various world leaders (so this likely spans some time).

X:R 5 has Nightcrawler fully bearded, so maybe a month after the bulk of X:R 4? Gambit appears again following up on his subplot from last issue.

X:R 6 has “Searebro” under construction, then functional.

X:R 7 continues from #6’s cliffhanger and Jean outs the villain to the world revealing she really didn’t kill the ambassador.

X:R 1 has Jean’s pals already in their new uniforms, they’re staying in Atlantis and “Searebro” is already up and running. The nano-Sentinels are still being used to spread bigotry. However, Nightcrawler is clean-shaven. Maybe he shaves the beard in X:R 8? (it isn’t out yet)

In theory, Jean probably shouldn’t appear elsewhere after X:R 1-FB and before X:R 7 (she’s a wanted fugitive for killing an ambassador, remember?). Also, probably not until the villain is defeated, but we’ll see. BUT, she’s a powerful telepath, so maybe she could mask her appearance if she had to say, I dunno, attend a wedding or something (but that might not be an option, given some other characters’ status’ who are currently appearing in this book). We’ll see!

I’m really digging X-MEN: RED by the way. Terrible title, but whatever.

[Somebody]

I'm reasonably certain that all of Storm's appearances in X:R take place after the end of X:G - note that she's wearing her X:R costume in the Uncanny X-Men relaunch art (where Nightcrawler is also bearded)

[Col_Fury]

Thanks!

[StrayLamb]

X:G@ 1’s recap page says this story happens between X:G 22-23 but I’m going to say it goes between X:G 20-21 (it came out the same month as X:G 20). The X-Men are under arrest between X:G 22-23 and so aren’t available to appear elsewhere. The old man appears here, but has left the X-Men for an extended trip in X:G 21 (and is still gone through X:G 25). Rachel has her hound markings, so it can’t be before X:G 16. Yes, the implication is that she’s just woken up in X:G 21, but we don’t see her wake up. Maybe she’s just now ready to talk about her hound markings in X:G 21 but not in X:G@ 1 yet?

I have X-Men Gold 21 & the Annual going together like this..

X-Men Gold 21 (3-6)
X-Men Gold 21 (9-12) [Rachel in the Danger Room, sporting a new costume to go with the return of her Hound markings]
X-Men Gold 2018 Annual 1/1 (1-3) [prior to Logan leaving for Canada and Japan]
X-Men Gold 21 (7-8) [Logan leaves]
X-Men Gold 2018 Annual 1/1 (4-20) [Kitty, Kurt, and Rachel head to England]
X-Men Gold 21 (13-20)

X:G 33-35 picks up shortly after last issue. Could either be the same day or the day after. Real Jean appears in #33 (same as X:R 7). It’s been “a few months” since X:G 9. Storm loses her hammer. Lasts a few days.

At least a few days seem to have passed since X:G 33. Kitty and Illyana don't seem to have seen each other for at least that long, and Kitty says she thought Illyana was off with the New Mutants.

Also, don't forget that Jean the Elder turned up in X:G 30, the Wedding Issue, and X:G 33.

Speaking of beards, Nightcrawler is shown at the Xavier Institute sporting a full beard in Hunt for Wolverine: Dead Ends, while Colossus is shown clean shaven.

I've never liked putting too much stock in beards and costumes. Who knows if Nightcrawler can't grow a full beard overnight, and any number of costumes can be hanging on the rack.

[Somebody]

Okay, X:B 36... a lot of characters appear, but the only major points are [1] like I said based on the preview, nothing strongly ties it to X:B 35 - but it also does not lead directly into Extermination*; [2] (adult) Archangel does not appear and [3] The Gold team (including Storm in her X:G outfit, and Rachel as *sigh* Prestige) do appear.

*I wonder if Cullen Bunn actually knew any significant details of Extermination when he wrote this issue. It doesn't read like it.

[Col_Fury]

Yep. Thankfully X:B 36 leaves things wide open. Yay!

Jean and her pals appear in Extermination #3 with “Searebro,” so we’re past the opening story if X:R (which isn’t over yet).

It’s looking like the clean-shaven Nightcrawler in the “now” portion of X:R 1 is an oopsie. We’ll just pretend he has a beard there.

OML@ 1 takes place entirely in an alternate universe.

DOMINO3 1-6 happens at a point before the big X-wedding but after the proposal (same as X:G 25-36). Also, Domino is still “seeing” Warpath (but “not exclusively”), so before WX3 17-21 where Warpath quits the team. Cable appears briefly with his “classic” arm (same as C 156). Deadpool appears (same as DDP 298-300 & DP7 1-4). Cho is still Hulk, so before CHMPS2 22 (published after IH2 717).

RG&GAM 1-5 happens over an undefined amount of time (Rogue and Gambit’s memories are messed with, they have a number of déjà vu resets, etc., so who knows how long this lasts? I’ll say… a week or two). It sounds like this is after A 690, and most likely between X:G 25 & X:WED.

Regarding DEF5:

DEF5 4-9 / BB 8-12 (Absorbing Man stuff, Black Bolt returns to Earth)
PHXR:ROJG 4-5
X:R@ 1-FB (after BB 12, before ASTONX4 1)
ASTONX4 1-12 (after BB 8, before OML2 31)
OML2 31-38 (before DD 598)
DD 598-605 (Black Cat crimelord, after DEF 6) (Purple Man still alive)
JJ 12 (9-20), 13-17 (Purple Man dies)
DEF5 10