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Re: SECRET EMPIRE to INFINITY WARS

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An update:

SECEMP
U.S.A 10-FB (cleaning up Hydra cells)
EVVERSE 1-5
VVERSE:WS
VVERSE 1-5
BB 1-7 (Absorbing Man dies)
ROYALS 9-12 (after BB 6)
FCBD2017:ANGOTG, ANGOTG 1-2, 4-8, 10-12
MCM 9, CM6 125-126
SMENII 1-5 (SHIELD shutting down)
SM2 16, 17 (1-12)
DEF5 4 (1-4)-FB
SM2 17 (13-20)
DEF5 4 (6-10)-FB (Defenders already a thing)
SM2 18-19 (Goldballs goes missing)
BB 8, 9 (1-8) (Titania learns about Absorbing Man)
DEF5 3 (10-20), 4-9
BB 9 (9-20), 10 (1-8) (Captain America (Steve) & Unworthy Thor appear)
INHS:JD (1-13)
BB 10 (9-10)
INHS:JD (14-26) ~ BB 10 (11-14)
INHS:JD (27-30)
BB 10 (15-20), 11-12 (Absorbing Man returns)
AMERICA 7-12
USQG2 22-25
ICE 6-7
WX3 12-14
DPV.OML 1-5
DD5 26, 27 (1-7) (no DD appearances until DD5 27-28) (before M/:LEG)
TOS 103 (1-5)-FB ["one month" before TOS 100]
MU3 6-8
X:B 10-12
DS4 25
H4 11
MSM4 19-22 [summer]
SM/DP 23-27
UGP 21-25
IIM3 11
IM 593 (1-9)
M/:LEG (SHIELD’s "last day," Steve has shield & already on the road) (Kingpin running for mayor)
IM 593 (10-16)
CM6 127-129
CHMPS2 12
DS4 26
HAWK5 12-16
ASM4 32 (after M/:LEG)
X:G 9-11
DAZZ3 1
DHAWK 51
MOKF 126
PP 63
SSBL&WP 36
LEGION 1-5
ASM 789 ("weeks" after SECEMP)
DP6 36, DDP 287-291
ASM 790
A6 11
SOV 1-5
FAL2 1-5, 7-FB
DD5 27 (8-20), 28, DD 595 (1-5) (Kingpin becomes NYC mayor)
V 155-158 (Kingpin mayor)
PPSSM2 6, PPSSM 297-307 (Daredevil appears, Black Cat crimelord, Kingpin mayor)
LC 1-5, 166-169
THANOS2 13-18
THANOSLEG (6-7)-FB
THANOS@2 1
ASM 791
X:G 12-15 & X:B 13-15 (Spider-Man & Champions appear)
ICE3 8-10
USQG2 26
DD 595 (6-20), 596
ASM:VINCA / ASM 792 / V 159 / ASM 793 / V 160 / ASM:VINCO (Black Cat crimelord)
V 161
CA 695 [“a few months” after SECEMP]
UA3 30 (after ASM 790)
GOTG 146-150
ICDWN:AWLOCK 1
ASM 794, 795-FB (Bobbi & Peter break up)
X:G 16-20
ANW 25-30
TOS 103 (6-10)-FB ["weeks after" (1-5)-FB]
JG 4-10 (before DS 383-FB)
PHXR:ROJG 1-3 (before GENX2 8)
JG 11 (1-28)
PHXR:ROJG 4-5
X:R@ 1-FB (after BB 12 & X:G 20, before ASTONX4 1)
JG 11 (29-30)
X:R@ 1
TOS 100 (1-7) / SECWARR2 6 (1-7) / TOS 100 (8-20) / SECWARR2 (8-20) (Chernaya coup)
SECWARR2 7-11 (Deadpool, Moon Girl, Ms. Marvel) [the 4 days following TOS 100]
TOS 103 (11-12)-FB ["4 days" after (6-10)-FB]
TOS 101, TOS 102 (1-16)
P 218-219 ["3 days" after TOS 100]
TOS 103 (13-15)-FB, TOS 102 (17-20), TOS 103-104 ["2 days" after TOS 101]
DS 383-FB (Loki becomes Sorcerer Supreme)
USQG2 27-30 (Loki very recently Sorcerer Supreme)
C4 1-5
SECWARR2 12
SM/DP 28-36
DS 381 (Strange a vet)
A 672-674 / CHMPS2 13-15 (Spider-Miles has web-shooters)
CHMPS2 16-18 [“days” after A 674]
CA 696
MU3 9-12
DD 597
ASM 795 (Loki Sorcerer Supreme) (Peter found new apartment)
X:B 16-20
ASM@ 42
GENX2 8-9 & GENX 85-87
DDP 292-296
ASM 796 (Stark gone for “months”)
IM 593 (17-18) (Sam is Falcon (after A6 11), Spider-Miles has web-shooters)
ASM@ 42/2
ANW 31
CHMPS2 19-21 (Alpha Flight & Capt. Marvel appear) (Vision has been helping w/new ship)
SM2 20-FB
SM2 20-21 (Miles loses web-shooters) (Cable appears) [“two weeks after” SM2 19]
C 150-154
IM 593 (19-22), 594-596, 598-FB (Spider-Miles appears) (Tony gets better, but not publicly)
SM2 234-239 & 240-FB (Goldballs returns) (SHIELD is gone a recent-ish thing) (still no web-shooters) (Stark “gone”) (Red Hulk appears) (Cable appears again) (after INFIM, Lucia von Bardas appears) (Champions appear) [3 or 5 days long]
U.S.A 10-12 (Red Hulk de-powered)
MK 188-193
X:G@ 1
P 220-226, 227 (1-3) ["3 weeks" since TOS 100]
SM2 240 (Miles leaves hospital) (Sam still Nova) (Cho still Hulk) (Stark appears) [“weeks” after SM2 240-FB]
IM 597-600 (Spider-Miles & Cable appear together)
P 227 (4-20), 228 (Stark appears w/Rhodey)
SM/DP 37-40 (Thunderball a villain) [“weeks” after SM/DP 36]
IF5 1-7, IF 73-77
BP6 12 (19-20), BP6 13-18, BP 166-172 (Thunderball reformed?)
ICE3 11
CA 697-700 (Stark -BTS, after IM 600)
X:R 1-4-FBs
X:G 21-25 (after ICE3 11)
ANW 32
X:B@ 1 / V 162-163 / X:B 21-22 (nu-X-Men in space)
WX3 15-16
V 164-165
MG&DDINO 19-23 (Devil Dinosaur gone)
MT2 20-23 & T 700-701 (grey She-Hulk appears)
M/2IO 1
MG&DDINO 24-30 (Devil Dinosaur back)
X:B 23-28
VIZED 1-5 (before ASM 800 & T 702) (nu-X-Men return from space) (Vision appears)
X:B 29-35
A 675-690 (Cho still Hulk, Spider-Miles, Strange blue cloak, Vision damaged)
DOMINO3 1-6 (Cho still Hulk, before X-wedding, before WX3 17)
TAH 23 & IH2 709-713 (1-17) (Cho & Unworthy Thor in space) [“1 month” before IH2 713 (18-20]
QS:NS 1-5 (Magneto in Madripoor)
M/2IO 2
BP@2 1
FAL2 6-8
PPSSM@2 1 (after V 165, before MSM4 34 for Shocker, Strange in blue cloak)
PPSSM 308-309 (before ASM5 1-FB)
DS 382-385 (Loki stops as Sorcerer Supreme, Strange gets red cloak back)
BRSCRS 8-14 [lead-in to DS:DAMN]
DS:DAMN [“a couple of weeks” after DS 383-FB]
USQG2 31
RG&GAM 1-5
X:WED, X:G 26 (1-15), X:WED /2, X:G 26 (16-20), X:G 27-29, X:WED /3 (after RG&GAM & DS:DAMN)
X:G 30 (1-28)
MR&MRSX 1 (4-10)-FB
X:G 30 (29-30)
MR&MRSX 1 (1-11)
X:G 31-32
NM:DS 1-6-FBs
MR&MRSX 1 (12-20), 2-??? (before DDP 300)
X:G 33-35
SH 159-162 (She-Hulk goes back to green)
IH2 713 (18-20) & IH2 714-717 (1-17) (Cho & Unworthy Thor return, Alpha Flight & Capt. Marvel, Spider-Miles) (Cho powered down)
IMMH 5-FB
DDP 297-300 (Mighty Thor appears)
DP:ASSN 1-6 (after DDP 300)
T 702-706 (no more Mighty Thor, Strange still a vet)
MT:GATES
SH 163
LJAW 1-4
FCBD2018:A/CA /2
CA8 1
ASM 797-801
IMMH 1
T5 1-2, 3-FB, THANOSLEG (8-9)-FB, T5 3-4
FCBD2018:A/CA (1-10:1), A7 1-6, FCBD2018:A/CA (10:2), 8-FB
DP7 1-3 (Strange blue cloak) (before ICDWN for Nova, Groot must be an error)
WH 1-2
DS 390 (Strange no longer a vet) [“less than 2 weeks” after DS:DAMN]
SENTRY3 3-FB
DS5 1 (1-10) (Strange loses powers)
C 155-159 (before ASTONX4 1-12)
ASTONX4 1-12 (after BB 8 & X:B 35, before OML2 31)
BRSCRS 18-25 (after THANOSLEG (8-9)-FB & DS5 1 (1-10))
OML2 31-38 (before DD 598)
DD 598-605 (Black Cat crimelord, after DEF 6) (Purple Man still alive) [“about a month” since DD 595 (1-5)]
JJ 12 (9-20), 13-17 (Purple Man dies)
DEF5 10
LC 170
JJ 18 (Thing appears)
M/2IO 3-6 (Thing & Torch unavailable until M/2IO 10)
WKNDFVR:ASM 1, WKNDFVY:X 1, WKNDFVR:A 1 (no beard Nightcrawler, green She-Hulk w/Avengers, no Strange)
DS5 1 (11-20) (Strange leaves for space)
OML2 39-40
DS5 2
???SENTRY3 1-5
IMMH 2
ICDWNP 1
ICDWN:CM 1
ICDWN:DD 1
DS5 3
ICDWN 1-4-FBs
ICDWN:DHAWK 1-4
ICDWN:CHMPS2 1-2 (Sam stops being Nova)
DS5 4-??? (Strange returns from space)
ICDWN:BW 1 (Strange in New York)
ICDWN 5 (2-28)-FB
MG&DDINO 31
OML2 41-42
WX3 17-21
OML2 43-45 [“a few weeks” since OML2 38]
???ICDWN 1-5
???IWARSP 1
???THANOSLEG
???IWARS 1-4
X:R 5-8-FBs, X:R 1
HFW 1
HFW:AA 1-4
HFW:WL 1-4
HFW:CK 1-4
HFW:MM 1-4
HFW:DE 1
NM:DS 1-2
M/2IO@ 1
???MULTM 1-5
WH 3-7
V:FH 1-5
ASM5 1-FB
M/2IO 7
IMMH 3
IH2 717 (18-20) [“3 months” after IH2 717 (1-17)]
ANT&WASP2 1-5
DP7 4
CHMPS2 22-23 (Vision repaired) (Miles recovering) (Sam no longer Nova)
FCBD2018:ASM
ASTONX@2 1
SM@ 1
C&DP@ 1
V4 1-6
M/2IO 8-10 (Thing & Torch return) (before FF6 1)
CHMPS2 24 [early/mid-August]
ASM5 1 (1-30), ASM5 2-FB-FB, ASM5 1 (31-40), ASM5 2-FB, ASM5 1 (41-42), ASM5 2, 3-FB, 3-5 [mid-August]
IMMH 4-6
MG&DDINO 32-??? (Thunderball replaced in Wrecking Crew)
MSM4 23-24 [mid/late-August]
OML2 46-47
X23v4 1-5 [late-August/early-September]
PPSSM 310
MSM4 25-28 [early/mid-September]
M/R 0
MSM4 29-31[mid-September]
M/R:A
USQG2 32-35
M/R:SQG/MSM, M/R:SQG/MSM /2, M/R:MSM/SQG, M/R:MSM/SQG /2, M/R:O (1-28)
MSM4 32-35
DOMINO@ 1
X:B 36
X:G 36 [a month or so after X:G 35]
M/R:O (29-30)
DD 606-608
EXTRMNTN 1-3
NM:DS 3-6
???FF6 1-2
DP7 5 [“Halloween”]


STILL TO DO:

AMAZING SPIDER-MAN v5 #6-???
ASTONISHING X-MEN v4 #13-???
AVENGERS v7 #8-???
AVENGERS HALLOWEEN SPECIAL
BLACK ORDER #1-5
BLACK PANTHER v7 #1-???
BLACK PANTHER vs. DEADPOOL #1-5
CAPTAIN AMERICA v8 #2-???
CHAMPIONS v2 #25-???
CHAMPIONS ANNUAL #1
COSMIC GHOST RIDER #1-5
DAREDEVIL #609-???
DEAD MAN LOGAN #1-12
DEADPOOL v7 #6-???
DEATH OF THE INHUMANS #1-5
DEFENDERS: BEST DEFENSE #1
DOCTOR STRANGE v5 #5-???
DOCTOR STRANGE: DEFENDERS #1
DOMINO v3 #7-???
EDGE OF SPIDER-GEDDON #1-4
EXILES v4 #1-???
EXTERMINATION #4-5
FANTASTIC FOUR v6 #3-???
FANTASTIC FOUR WEDDING SPECIAL v2 #1
ICEMAN v4 #1-???
IMMORTAL HULK #7-???
IMMORTAL HULK: DEFENDERS #1
IRONHEART #1-???
KILLMONGER #1-5
LIFE OF CAPTAIN MARVEL #1-5
MARVEL KNIGHTS 20ᵗʰ #1-6
MARVEL 2-IN-ONE #11-???
MERRY X-MEN HOLIDAY SPECIAL #1
MILES MORALES: SPIDER-MAN #1
MOON GIRL & DEVIL DINOSAUR #33-???
MOON KNIGHT #194-???
Mr. & Mrs. X #3-???
Ms. MARVEL v4 #36-???
NAMOR: DEFENDERS #1
OLD MAN LOGAN v2 #48-50
PETER PARKER, THE SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN #311-???
PUNISHER v12 #1-???
RETURN OF WOLVERINE #1-5
RUNAWAYS v5 #1-???
SEASON'S BEATINGS #1
SHATTERSTAR #1-5
SHURI #1-???
SILVER SURFER: DEFENDERS #1
SPIDER-FORCE #1-3
SPIDER-GEDDON #0-5
SPIDER-GIRLS #1-3
SPIDER-GWEN: GHOST-SPIDER #1-???
SPIDER-MAN/DEADPOOL #41-???
SUPERIOR OCTOPUS #1-???
SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN v2 #1
THOR v5 #6-???
TONY STARK: IRON MAN #1-???
TYPHOID FEVER: IRON FIST #1
TYPHOID FEVER: SPIDER-MAN #1
TYPHOID FEVER: X-MEN #1
UNBEATABLE SQUIRREL GIRL v2 #36-???
UNCANNY X-MEN v5 #1-???
UNSTOPPABLE WASP v2 #1-???
VAULT OF SPIDERS #1-2
VENOM v4 #7-???
VENOM ANNUAL #1
VISION v4 #1-???
WEAPON H #8-???
WEAPON X v3 #22-???
WEB OF VENOM: CARNAGE BORN #1
WEST COAST AVENGERS v3 #1-???
WINTER SOLDIER v2 #1-???
X-23 v4 #6-???
X-FORCE v5 #1-???
X-MEN: BLACK - EMMA FROST
X-MEN: BLACK - JUGGERNAUT
X-MEN: BLACK - MAGNETO
X-MEN: BLACK - MOJO
X-MEN: BLACK - MYSTIQUE
X-MEN: RED #9-???
X-MEN: THE EXTERMINATED #1
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Re: SECRET EMPIRE to INFINITY WARS

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Col_Fury wrote: Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:28 pm But Winter Soldier says that P 226 was earlier in the same day as the Gringo Pete’s Tacos scene in P 227. That’s why I put a break between pages 3-4; an indefinite amount of time could pass during that spot.
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No worries. More eyes gives us a clearer picture, right?

I haven't said it in a while, but keep up the good work! Question things, even when there's push-back. We want to get everything right; not necessarily to have someone *be* right, if you get the difference (I've been wrong PLENTY of times, believe me). Checks and balances and all that, yes?

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Indeed. Different people pick up on different things. :D
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A few jottings as i've been going down the list..

Just to clarify - looks like we're ignoring the christmas decorations in Dr Strange 382-385..

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Mighty Thor battles Grey She-Hulk in T 700, so i believe SH 159-163, where Jen regains her green form, should come after this. SH 159-162 was published concurrently with T 701-705.

There can be a break between T 701 & T 702, which begins with Thor having been battling Roxxon super-soldiers in Vanaheim over the past few days. Thor may well have taken time out for her battle with She-Hulk during this time.

I submit the following..

MT 21-23, T 700-701 [Thor battles Grey She-Hulk in #700]
SH 161-FB
SH 160-FB
SH 159-162 [SH regains green form]
T 702-706
MT:GATES
SH 163 [probably at least a few days after SH 162]

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Infinity Countdown: Black Widow seems to have been left off the list..

"ICDWN:BW 1 leads in to ICDWN 5 (Black Widow travels to NYC to visit Doctor Strange)."

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We have JJ 18, in which Jessica talks to Ben Grimm at a pizza joint, in between M/TIO2 7 & M/TIO2 8, when Ben is still travelling the multiverse.

Looks like the easiest fix for this is to place M/TIO2 3-6 (Thing & Torch unavailable until M/TIO2 10) immediately after JJ 18, and moving M/TIO@2 1 and M/TIO2 7 down closer to M/TIO2 8-10 (Thing & Torch return) (before FF6 1).

Also, M/TIO2 should possibly be M/2IO, as the indicia (did i get that right?) has it as Marvel 2-in-One. There was also a Marvel Two-in-One in 2007, which was a reprint series.

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VIZED 1-5 (before ASM 800 & MT2 20) (nu-X-Men return from space) is listed after ASM 800..

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CA 595 should read CA 695
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Thanks folks, all fixed!

CGR 1-4 (5's not out yet) involves an alternate future character traveling to the past and creating divergent realities. From "Cosmic" Ghost Rider's point of view, after THANOS@2 1 and before THANOSLEG.

DOINHS 1-4 (5's not out yet) references CGR, but it's the "centuries ago" bit so it's not like it's much of a clue. We don't know for sure until #5 is out, but this might have to happen after FF6 2. Also, BETA RAY BILL!
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Just wondering if ASM 797-801 shouldn't be placed after FCBD2018:A/CA (1-10:1), A7 1-6, FCBD2018:A/CA (10:2), 8-FB, as when Colonel John Jameson escorts Spidey to Norman Osborn’s cell at Ravencroft Asylum, he tells Spidey he had to pull a few strings to allow him access, since he’s not currently an Avenger..
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Vision appears in VIZED 1-5, so that places those issues before A 675-690 where he gets damaged.
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I took Col. Jameson's comment to mean there was no Avengers at the time, which largely lines up with publication order (A 690 & ASM 799 in July, ASM 800 & A7 1 in August) and is also how Cap makes it sound (no Avengers currently) in FCBD2018:A/CA.

Re: Vision
Good catch! I reshuffled a few things to make that work; one side effect is the nu-X-men aren't lost in space for very long, but that's fine. That also means Magneto is still in Madripoor (maybe he's just visiting in QS:NS?) after X:B 35, but I guess we'll just have to add that to the HFW:MM appearance. Maybe there's a period where he was in Madripoor and on his new Asteroid M? Like a "moving in" period where he's transferring all his stuff to his new place? *shrug* (VIZED was published before QS:NS, and QS:NS was published at the same time as X:B 27-36)

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X:B 35 (con't from VIZED, leaves Madripoor)
QS:NS 1-5 (still in Madripoor)
HFW:MM 1-4 (still in Madripoor)
X:B 36 (not in Maripoor)

I don't like this solution, but maybe the scene in X:B 35 with Magneto in his classic suit, on his new Asteroid M and with his reformed Acolytes is prophetic?
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Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur also appear in VIZED 1-5. Might need some more reshuffling.
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Thanks! :thumbsup:

MK 194 is a full issue of Moon Knight talking abut his uncle (so, mostly flashbacks). Moon Knight’s uncle turns out to be a Nazi war criminal… This comic came out in 2018. Who thought it would be a good idea to tie Moon Knight’s (of all characters) family history to WWII in 2018?

MK 195-196 is another standalone story; this time he fights a collective being (made possible by a splinter AIM cell).

MK 197-199 ends on a cliffhanger, to be concluded in MK 200 (I’m sure). Moon Knight’s uncle appears in the current day and looks exactly like he did in MK 194-FBs (which were roughly 20-25 years ago). Nothing is mentioned of him having any age retardation abilities (or whatever). This guy would have to be in his 90s at this point.

No guest stars in any of these issues (aside fro Foolkiller, but whatever).

After DS:DAMN, Moon Knight also appears in DD 602 (same as MK 195) & 605 (same as MK 197), DP:ASSN 4 (same as MK 197) and some IWARS tie-ins (same as MK 199-200).

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Despite being published the month after X:B 36, it looks like the X:BLK one-shots happen before X:B 36 (at least according to the Mojo one).

X:BLK-M has Magneto back in his classic suit and living on Asteroid M.

X:BLK-MOJO has Mojo still on Earth and still running Mojo TV. He was defeated by the nu-X-Men and his station shut down in X:B 36.

X:BLK-MSTQ has Mystique running around causing problems for people.

Basically, these are “current status quo” stories for these villains. These are being released weekly, and if possible I’d like to keep them in release order (meaning, I’d rather not have the Mojo one happen before the Magneto one).

They also have an Apocalypse back-up serial strip that I’m confused by. He was taken away by the Celestials over a decade ago; how’d he get back? Hopefully they explain that…
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Re: SECRET EMPIRE to INFINITY WARS

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The Spider-Geddon series might necessitate some revisions to your chronology. Issue 2 just came out and it's hard to see how it fits in with Ben Reilly: Scarlet Spider 24-25. In Scarlet Spider 24, Ben is killed for the 28th time. In issue 25, Abigail Mercury brings Ben back to life, at the cost of driving him insane seemingly permanently. He then savagely attacks Kaine. In Spider-Geddon 2, Ock goes to Kaine for help and Kaine suggests they get Ben's help. Ock objects that when he last saw Ben (in the Clone Conspiracy) he was crazy, Kaine replies that he's "less crazy these days". In the next panel, Ben refers to his "27-times-dead body". All of this suggests Spider-Geddon takes place before Scarlet Spider 25. Aside from the reference to Ben having died 27 times, it's hard to imagine Kaine suggesting they get Ben's help and describing Ben as "less crazy these days" after Scarlet Spider 25. Unfortunately, Spider-Geddon crosses over with Spectacular Spider-Man 311, which takes place (obviously) after Spectacular Spider-Man 310 and takes place after Peter started rooming with Randy. So you might have to move Scarlet Spider 18-25 after Spectacular Spider-Man 310, which might complicate things regarding Mysterio- he shows up in Las Vegas in a plot involving Cytorrak in Scarlet Spider 18-18 and in an ongoing plot in Spencer's Amazing Spider-Man in New York involving a different mystical villain.
OTOH, it might be possible to place Spider-Geddon after Scarlet Spider 25- for all we know Ben's insanity was a temporary side effect of his resurrection. He could have regained his sanity a few seconds after Scarlet Spider 25, got Kaine to a hospital, apologized and agreed to do Kaine's laundry for a month. There's still the "27-times-dead" remark but Ben could simply have mispoken. We'll have to keep a close eye on Spider-Geddon. The real-life explanation seems to be that nobody told PAD that Kaine would be willingly working with Ben in Spider-Geddon- otherwise he could have just had Abigail heal Ben without side effects in his last issue.
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Re: SECRET EMPIRE to INFINITY WARS

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Yeah, Mysterio is retired in BRSCRS pre-DS:DAMN, then gets out of retirement in BRSCRS post-DS:DAMN. All of that has to happen before ASM5 1 (where he's not retired). Also, Mephisto is out of his prison in BRSCRS 18-25, so in theory it has to be after DS5 1 (1-10) (where Strange loses his powers) and before ICDWN 1-5 (where Strange returns with his powers). Also also, the bulk of BRSCRS 18-25 happens over two days.

I think we're going to have to assume Ben "got better" after BRSCRS 25 and before Spider-Geddon. But who knows? Maybe everything will be made clear by the time the story wraps up.

X:BLK-JUG references T5 1, so after that. Also, Cyttorak is wondering if Juggernaut still has what it takes. Probably after the Cyttorak-related plot in BRSCRS 18-25 wraps up. That Apocalypse back-up strip still hasn't answered my question yet, but I'm starting to think maybe this is what he's been up to since he was taken away by the Celestials?

MK 200 finishes the plot and explains his Nazi uncle does have powers of some kind, so I guess he can be long-lived?

X:R 9 continues from #8's cliffhanger ending and shows no signs of stopping. Again, probably before X23v4 1-5 where Laura's already stopped going by "Wolverine."

ROW 2 continues from #1's ending and the X-Men appear, placing this after the various HFW minis. So um, if Wolverine doesn't wake up until shortly before HFW, who's that in M/:LEG and various other last page cameos?
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Re: SECRET EMPIRE to INFINITY WARS

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Col_Fury wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:04 am MK 200 finishes the plot and explains his Nazi uncle does have powers of some kind, so I guess he can be long-lived?
At this point, I'm assuming that basically anything that happens in a Moon Knight comic is one of Marc Spector's looping delusions and happening entirely inside his head, unless there's evidence to the contrary.
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