Marvel Chronology Project

What i mean is you can get more than one Jan-Dec cycle per Marvel year.. so Valentine's Day, Independence Day, Christmas, etc, still occur on those dates, within one of the yearly cycles.. i may not be explaining it very well..

An example is Marvel Feature #2 (March 1972).. Halloween 1971
Amazing Adventures #16 (March 1973)/Thor 206-207 (December 1972-January 1973)/Avengers 106 (Dec 1972).. Halloween 1972.

Because of the way the character chronologies interact, only one issue of Avengers (#105) occurs between these two Halloweens, five issues of Iron Man, no issues of Thor, etc. So for the characters, it's hard to concieve that a full Marvel year has gone past. In other comics, the characters believe events which had to occur prior to the previous Halloween occured mere weeks ago, or even days, while for Doctor Strange an entire year has gone past, because one series was being written in real time, while others weren't. Hence, two Halloweens in a Marvel year, but both fall on Oct 31. The year goes around twice.

That's how i percieve it. I know others won't. The whole concept of how time moves in the MU is subjective, as is time in the real world.

Russ Chappell wrote: ↑Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:03 pm
And one could argue, that's why placing events on a calendar doesn't make sense.

But neither does having titles following immediately upon each other, one set in winter, one in summer, to try and squeeze them into a single year... I would rather have the seasons fly around four times a year, than have them all jumbled up. Also shouldn't we try to go along with what the writers seem to intend, unless it's simply not possible due to character placements or story elements forbidding that placement.

StrayLamb wrote: ↑Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:43 pm But neither does having titles following immediately upon each other, one set in winter, one in summer, to try and squeeze them into a single year...

Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. That's another reason why placing events on a calendar doesn't work, in the long run.

My head hurts

Power Man & Iron Fist #1-4 take place sometime before Doctor Strange #3 (Strange still has his Cloak of Levitation, and from #3 onward he's pretty much continuously in motion until it's destroyed at the end of #6).

Doctor Strange: Last Days of Magic #1 seems to be roughly simultaneous with Doctor Strange #7; Deadpool: Last Days of Magic #1 seems to be very soon after the Doctor Voodoo part of it, and an editorial note indicates that it takes place between Deadpool #11 (in which Strange also still has his Cloak of Levitation) and 13. (#12 is a "2099" story.)

Deadpool #13 includes the pseudocomics "Daredevil 7.1" and "Power Man & Iron Fist 4.1," so their respective issues 8 and 5 are at some point after it.

(Doctor Strange: Mystic Apprentice appears to be an MCU story.)

So:

Power Man & Iron Fist #1-4
...
Deadpool #8-11
Doctor Strange #3-7
Doctor Strange: Last Days of Magic #1
Deadpool: Last Days of Magic #1
Doctor Strange #8-11
...
Deadpool #13
...
Power Man & Iron Fist #5
Daredevil #8-
(or Daredevil 8- some time before PM/IF 5, doesn't matter)

Clive_Reston wrote:(Doctor Strange: Mystic Apprentice appears to be an MCU story.)

It is, yes.

Good job, people. Keep it up!

Patsy Walker A.K.A. Hellcat #1-5 take place at some point prior to Doctor Strange #3 (Doc still has his Cloak of Levitation, which seems to be becoming a very handy marker). #6-7 appear to be just a few days after #5, and then there's a usefully indefinite gap before #8, the first of the Civil War II issues.

Hyperion #1-6 are somewhere between Squadron Supreme #8 and 9, probably soon after #8 (when Thundra shows up in Hyperion #5, she's already left Arkon, which happens in Squadron Supreme #6). Iron Man appears in the last two issues of Hyperion.

The Vision #1-12 seem to be shortly after the ANAD Avengers are formed, although that's not certain. (It takes place over an indefinite amount of time, beginning in "late September," for what that's worth.) Vision is with an Avengers lineup including Sam/Cap and Iron Man in #4. The group that's addressed by Agatha's ghost in #6 and confronts the Vision in #10-11 includes Dr. Strange (in his Cloak of Levitation again!--although I don't think we actually see him levitating) and Iron Man.

Clive_Reston wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:15 am (Doc still has his Cloak of Levitation, which seems to be becoming a very handy marker)

I believe the Death of Magic from Dr Strange 4 onwards occurs in the immediate aftermath of Civil War II, as Dr Strange actually has his Cloak of Levitation up to and all through each of his Civil War II appearances. And it's not just an artistic error, as he is actually shown levitating with the cloak on several occasions.

He is also shown in his Cloak of Levitation in Monsters Unleashed 2, but this is an error, and he is correctly shown in his Cloak of Protection in Dr Strange 1.MU.

Yeah, Last Days of Magic has to take place after Civil War II 1 at the very least.
Deadpool 14 takes place concurrently to Civil War II 1.
So if Deadpool 13 takes place after Last Days of Magic, it also takes place after 14.
Does that work?

Aha! What the editorial note in Deadpool: Last Days of Magic #1 ACTUALLY says is "When Shiklah's Monster Metropolis falls under Empirikul attack*... *Takes place after Deadpool #11." But it doesn't say how LONG after Deadpool #11; it could just as well be after Deadpool #18. Which would mean that we don't have to take anything out of numerical order!

Just quickly cobbled this together, moving the previous list over to the new two-year system, and adding in the new issues we've looked at. I am almost certain there are mistakes here, as I haven't had the time today to check over everything as much as I wanted to. Great work so far guys!

SECRET WARS (Late July)
Contest of Champions 6 (1-3) FB
Death of X 1-4
Howard the Duck 2 (20) FB “8 Months ago”
Howard the Duck 1/2-3/2
Howard the Duck 7
Unbeatable Squirrel Girl 6
Howard the Duck 6
Howard the Duck 2 (3-10) FB “6 Months Ago”
ANAD Marvel Point One rocket raccoon and groot segment [October 31]
Howard the Duck 4 (9) FB “5 Months Ago”
Totally Awesome Hulk [November?]
Ant-Man Annual 1 (5-25) FB
Avengers: Rage of Ultron (1-94)
Ant-Man Annual 1
Avengers: Rage of Ultron (95-99)
Spider-Man 1-2 (1-19)
Captain Marvel 1-5
ASM 1/4, 1/3, 1/6 [Jess 6 Months Pregnant]
Silk 1
Howard the Duck 1 (1) FB “3 Months Ago”
Howard the Duck 2 (11-13) FB “3 Months Ago”
A Year of Marvels: The Amazing 1/1 [February 14th]
A Year of Marvels: The Amazing 1/2 [March 11th-13th]
Old Man Logan 5-7 (Mid-Late March)
Howard the Duck 1 (4-7) FB “1 Month Ago”
Secret Wars #9 (25-34) “Eight months later” [Late March]
Spider-Woman 1 (1-15) [Jess 34 Weeks Pregnant]
Contest of Champions 6 (4-8) FB
Contest of Champions 4 (2) FB
All-New, All Different Marvel Point One [Early April]
Spider-Woman 1 (16-20)-4
Avengers 0
A-Force 1-7
Unbeatable Squirrel Girl 1-5
Contest of Champions 1/2
Uncanny Avengers 1-4
Squadron Supreme 1-5
Howling Commandos of SHIELD 1-5
Old Man Logan 8-13
A Year of Marvels: The Incredible 1/1 [April]
Silk 2-5
Carnage 1-5 [April 14th]
Carnage 7-8 FB [April 16th]
Invincible Iron Man 1-2 (1-12)
Carnage 9-10 FB [April 25th-26th]
Carnage 6-7 (1) [April 26th-27th]
Silk 6
Carnage 9-10 Modern Day Sections & 11 (1-2) [April 30th]
Spider-Women Alpha 1 [May 1st]
Carnage 11 (3-20)-16 (1-19) [May 2nd]
SPIDER-WOMEN (Silk 7-8, Spider-Gwen 7-8, Spider-Woman 6-7, Spider-Women Omega (1-26)) [May 2nd-3rd]
Carnage 11 (20) [May 7th]
A Year of Marvels: The Incredible 1/2 [May 8th]
Spider-Women Omega (27-30) [May 8th]
Contest of Champions 1-6
All-New, All Different Avengers 1-3
FCBD 2015: All-New, All Different Avengers (1st Story)
Old Man Logan 1-4
Extraordinary X-Men 1-7
Daredevil 17-20 FBs
Howard the Duck 1-5 (1-14)
Ultimates 1-2
Howard the Duck 5 (15-20), 8-11
Doctor Strange 1-2
Invincible Iron Man 2 (13-20)-8
Unbeatable Squirrel Girl 7-14
Contest of Champions 6 (19-20)-10
A Year of Marvels: The Unstoppable 1/1 (first bit) [June 19th]
Invincible Iron Man 9-11
Vision 1-12
A Year of Marvels: The Unstoppable 1/2 (second bit) [Early July]
A Year of Marvels: The Unstoppable 1/2 [July 4th]
Unbeatable Squirrel Girl 15
Drax 1-11
Captain America: Sam Wilson 1-7
New Avengers 1-7
Uncanny Avengers 5-6
A Year of Marvels: The Unbeatable 1/1 [August 13th-15th]
Black Widow 1-10
Black Knight 1-5
Nova 1-4
All-New, All Different Avengers 4-6
Spider-Woman 8 [Late August]
A Year of Marvels: The Unbeatable 1/2 [September]
Agents of SHIELD 1-2
AVENGERS: STANDOFF! (NFL in-Season)
Agents of SHIELD 5-6
Captain America: Sam Wilson 9
New Avengers 11
Patsy Walker, AKA Hellcat 1-7
Ms Marvel 1-3
A Year of Marvels: The Uncanny 1/1 [October 31st]
Red Wolf 1-6
Thunderbolts 1-4
Squadron Supreme 6-8
Hyperion 1-6
A Year of Marvels: The Uncanny 1/2 [November 24th]
Unbeatable Squirrel Girl Beats up the Marvel Universe
Ms Marvel 4-6
Amazing Spider-Man 1.1-1.4 [Mid December]
Gwenpool Special 1 [December 24th]
Ghost Rider X-Mas Special Infinite Comic [December 25th]
Marvel New Year's Eve Special Infinite Comic [December 31st]
Uncanny Avengers 9-12
All-New, All Different Avengers 9 (1-18) / FCBD 2016: Civil War II (2nd Story)
Nova 5-7 / All-New, All Different Avengers 9 (19-20)
All-New, All Different Avengers 10-12
Power Man and Iron Fist 1-4
Deadpool 8-11
Captain America: Steve Rogers 1-3
Deadpool 13
Power Man and Iron Fist 5
Spider-Man 2 (20)-5
CIVIL WAR II Starts (Late June or Early July)
Doctor Strange 3-7
Doctor Strange: Last Days of Magic
Deadpool: Last Days of Magic
Doctor Strange 8-11

TO DO:
All-New, All Different Avengers Annual 1
All-New Hawkeye 1-6
All-New Inhumans 1-11
All-New Wolverine 1-9
All-New X-Men 1-?
Amazing Spider-Man 1-?
Amazing Spider-Man/Silk: Spiderfly Effect 1-4
Angela: Queen of Hel 1-7
Astonishing Ant-Man 1-?
Black Panther 1-6
Daredevil 1-?
Daredevil/Punisher: Seventh Circle 1-4
Deadpool 1-7
Deadpool and Cable: Split Second 1-5
Deadpool and the Mercs for Money 1-3
Deadpool: Back in Black 1-5
Deadpool: Massacre
Deadpool vs Gambit 1-5
Doctor Strange/Punisher: Magic Bullets 1-4
Extraordinary X-Men 8-?
FCBD 2015 Avengers [2nd Story]
FCBD 2016 Captain America [2nd Story]
Ghost Rider 1-5
Guardians of Infinity 1-8
Guardians of the Galaxy 1-10
Hercules 1-6
Illuminati 1-5, 7
International Iron Man 1-?
Karnak 1-6
Mighty Thor 1-14
Mockingbird 1-5
Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur 1-?
Moon Knight 1-?
Nighthawk 1-6
Punisher 1-?
Rocket Raccoon and Groot 1-7
Scarlet Witch 1-8
Silver Surfer 1-?
Spider-Gwen 1-6
Spider-Man/Deadpool 1-?
Spider-Man 2099 1-12
Spider-Woman 5
Starbrand and Nightmask 1-6
Star-Lord 1-8
Totally Awesome Hulk 5-6
Ultimates 3-7
Unbelievable Gwenpool 1-?
Uncanny Inhumans 1-10
Uncanny X-Men 1-?
Venom: Space Knight 1-10
Vote Loki 1-4
Weapon X 1-?
Web Warriors 1-?
Weirdworld 1-6
X-Men '92 1-?
X-Men: Worst X-Man Ever 1-5 (Canon?)

Clive_Reston wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:45 pm Aha! What the editorial note in Deadpool: Last Days of Magic #1 ACTUALLY says is "When Shiklah's Monster Metropolis falls under Empirikul attack*... *Takes place after Deadpool #11." But it doesn't say how LONG after Deadpool #11; it could just as well be after Deadpool #18.

Pretty sure Deadpool: Last Days of Magic #1 does take place after Deadpool #18. Deadpool #19 is a 2099 story. Deadpool #20 takes place either during or in the immediate aftermath of Civil War II, so Deadpool: Last Days of Magic #1 could conceivably take place after that as well.

Deadpool & The Mercs for Money 1 is just a day or two after Christmas, and issues 2-5 occur just a week or so later, early in the new year.

Here's some Guardians timelinery:

Star-Lord #1-5 are about Young Peter Quill, and take place way back in the pre-Secret Wars era.

Everything starting at this point has the new GOTG lineup of Thing, Agent Venom, Drax, Rocket, Groot, and Kitty-as-Star-Lord. Throughout it all, it's suggested that all of them can zip back and forth between Earth, Knowhere and elsewhere, as they please.

Rocket Raccoon & Groot #1-3 (at least their basic timeline) are "eight months after all that crazy Secret Wars stuff." The Thing "only knew [Rocket & Groot] for what, eight months?" (There's a "time flux" involved in the story, but that's not important.)

Rocket Raccoon & Groot #4 has the two of them on Earth with a bunch of Avengers and others, including Iron Man, Deadpool and Magik.

Rocket Raccoon & Groot #5, 6 and 7 are standalones with no placement considerations at all.

Drax 1-11 are basically continuous; Kitty is Star-Lord.

Venom: Spaceknight #1-6 has Venom as a Guardian.

Guardians of Infinity #1-8 (lead feature) is a Rocket/Groot/Drax adventure that can go anywhere in this period.

The backups in the first four issues of Guardians of Infinity are one-off adventures of two of the GotG at a time that can go anywhere in this period.

And now we run into trouble:
Guardians of the Galaxy #1-10 are more or less continuous action--you can't really peel off any of the characters for solo stories. (Well, there's a break between 5 and 6, but it's not conducive to solo adventures, and also not relevant to the problem.) Gamora rejoins them in the early stages of 1-5, they rescue Quill in 6-10, and at the end of #10, Captain Marvel contacts them and tells them to come back to Earth because Tony Stark has "gone off the rails," which leads directly into #11 and the Civil War II tie-ins, after which their ship has been destroyed and they're stuck on Earth for a while.

BUT: Kitty and Peter break up at the beginning of Star-Lord #6-8, in the course of which "months" go by. (Tony Stark shows up in the final panel, shocked that a Skrull has been doing "a cheap imitation of me"). Guardians of Infinity #5/2 is a Kitty/Rocket story that takes place after the breakup; #6/2 is a Gamora/Kitty story; #8/2 is Kitty, Peter & Rocket, and is agnostic on the subject of whether they're together. And there's also the matter of Kitty and Peter's tender Steranko-homage love scene in GotG #11...

Also, in GotG #8, Flash/Venom freaks out at the thought of rescuing Skrulls, because last time he encountered them they "tried to take my symbiote." But in Venom: Space Knight #7, he has a not-quite-that-bad interaction with a Skrull/Klyntarite pairing.

One way of resolving these--and if there's a better way to do it, I'm all ears!--is to put a long gap before the last page of GotG #10, in the course of which Kitty and Peter break up, have some time to themselves, encounter the Collector and hear from Tony Stark, while Venom goes off and does what he does in Venom: Spaceknight #7-10. Then everyone comes back to the ship, puts on exactly the same outfits they had on (sigh), and Kitty and Peter have a one-more-for-old-times'-sake rendezvous in #11 while en route to Earth.

Ugh. Better suggestions, please?

More notes on Guardians of the Galaxy thru this period..

The gap between GotG 5 & 6 is of unknown length.. Gamora is still recovering at the end of issue 5.. The first few pages of Star-Lord 6 can simply be taken as a series of flashbacks. I have Star-Lord 6-8 positioned in the gap between GotG 5 & 6.. When the Guardians reassemble in issue 6, Kitty is sporting a new outfit, and issues 6-10 & 11 (1-11) are continuous.. Gamora is sore, but this could be from new injuries sustained during this arc, which has to occur after Civil War II has begun.. GotG 11 (12-20) probably needs a short time lapse for the Guardians to return to Earth, where they are brought up to date on CWII events.. the events of Angela: Queen of Hel 1-5 have to occur at some point prior to GotG 6..

A further random note... Scarlet Witch 2 is before Ares resurrection in Contest of Champions 2..

Yeah, on looking at it, Kitty & Peter's breakup (and Star-Lord 6-8, and consequently the last few backup stories from Guardians of Infinity) between GotG 5 and 6 makes sense, especially considering Peter's "I lost YOU" speech in GotG #6.

Starbrand and Nightmask 1-6 happen at the beginning of a school year, and don't seem to have to go before or after any other particular thing in this time period. Sunspot's trying to recruit them for the New Avengers, for what that's worth.