Chronology: Birth of the Fantastic Four to Birth of the Avengers

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Re: Chronology: Birth of the Fantastic Four to Birth of the Avengers

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I'm like a guest who came late to the party and now you can't get rid of me.

I've had a detailed look at ASM3 #1.2 and 1.3.

Some of ASM3 #1.2 belongs with ASM #1/2 not just before ASM #2/1.

I break 1.2 down as:-
(1-3) Clash on patrol sees Vulture.
ASM #1/2(1-5:1) SM tries to join FF.
(4-9) Clash sees SM leave FF. Counsellor blames Flash for PP's bruises, and introduces PP to the nerd club. Clash wants Maxie Schiffer to hire SM.
(10-12) ~ ASM #1/2(5.2-10) vs Chameleon.
(13-19) MS arranges staged fight between Clash and SM. SM wins too easily.
(20) Aunt May enters PP's bedroom and suspects him of something bad.

The end of 1.2 continues in 1.3.

I break 1.3 down as:-
(1-2) Clash can't salvage the video of the fight.
(3-4) AM accuses PP having making money from drugs. But he says the money was an anonymous donation from a neighbour, and he's working on stuff for a science fair.
(5-6) Clayton Cole and the nerd club set up for the Science Fair.
(7:1) PP is still trying to work on an entry in science class, but then ...
(7:2) ~ ASM #2/1(2:6) ... he overhears his classmates talking about the Vulture.
(7:3) ~ ASM #2/1(3:3)) AM gives PP Uncle Ben's miniature camera.
(7:4-10) ~ ASM #2/1(rest) SM vs Vulture. PP sells photos to JJJ.
(11-21) The Science Fair. Clash submits himself as an entry. SM tries to control him but the fight gets out of control. AM thinks SM is a menace.

So I divide the 2 issues into 3 sections:-

ASM3 #1.2(1-3) Clash on patrol sees Vulture.
ASM #1/2(1-5:1) SM tries to join FF.
ASM3 #1.2(4-9) Clash sees SM leave FF. Counsellor blames Flash for PP's bruises, and introduces him to the nerd club. Clash wants to MS hire SM.
ASM3 #1.2(10-12) ~ ASM #1/2(5.2-10) vs Chameleon.

ASM3 #1.2(13-20) MS arranges staged fight between Clash and SM. SM wins too easily. AM enters PP's bedroom and suspects him of something bad.
ASM3 #1.3(1-4) Clash can't salvage the video of the fight. AM accuses PP having making money from drugs. But he says the money was an anonymous donation from a neighbour, and he's working stuff for a science fair.

ASM3 #1.2(5-6) Clayton Cole and the nerd club set up for the Science Fair.
ASM3 #1.2(7-10) ~ ASM #2/1
ASM3 #1.2(11-21) The Science Fair. Clash submits himself as an entry. SM tries to control him but the fight gets out of control. AM thinks SM is a menace.

The first and last sections are obviously localised around ASM #1/2 and ASM #2/1.

The middle section could go anywhere in between. I have opted for between Tales To Astonish #43 and #44. Partly just to split them apart. But also because it's nearer to ASM #2/1 than #1/2, giving Maxie more time to set up the fight.
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Re: Chronology: Birth of the Fantastic Four to Birth of the Avengers

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robfj wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 4:32 pm I'm like a guest who came late to the party and now you can't get rid of me.
Heh - reminds me of those great old parties where everyone ended up sleeping on the floor. :)

I haven't examined these issues at all, so anyone who wants to chip in is more than welcome. I've offered these chronologies as rough-hewn starting points, rather than finished products. All of your break-downs have been incorporated into the master list on page 2 of this topic. Thanx! :thumbsup:
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Re: Chronology: Birth of the Fantastic Four to Birth of the Avengers

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Oops!

You've put ASM3 1.2 (13-20) and ASM3 1.3 (1-4) in 2 places. One where I suggested and the other immediately after the rest of ASM3 1.2.
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That was just to make sure you were paying attention. *doh*
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Re: Chronology: Birth of the Fantastic Four to Birth of the Avengers

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I've been looking at Iron Man: Iron Age #1 as it pertains to this area of chronology.

Firstly there are 2 large chunks we don't have to consider.

p4-11:2 is a flashbacks sequence set before TOS#39. MCP has it all before TS's cameo in Marvel Saga #4(4:4), which is part of a bunch of stuff supposed to be before the FF's origin. So we can assume this all happens before your list begins.

p22:3 onwards is Avengers #1 and beyond, so, can also be left out of this section.

You have 2 entries for the issue in this range:-

p1-2
p15-20

MCP has different ones in their IM chronology:-

IM3 50 (10:4 - 10:5)-FB
**IM:IA 1 (11:3 - 11:8)-FB ****
IM 288/2 (8:2 - 8:3)-FB
IM 267 (11 - 14)-FB
{TOS 39 (1 - 4:3)}
IM4 1 (14:3 - 14:6)-FB
IM3 50 (11:2)-FB
IM 267 (15 - 16:2)-FB
IM4 1 (14:7 - 15:3)-FB
TOS 39 (4:4 - 4:5)
ORDER2 9-FB
TOS 39 (4:6)
IM 267 (16:5 - 17:2)-FB
IM4 9-FB-OP
IM 267 (17:3)-FB
TOS 39 (4:7 - 5:1)
IM 267 (17:4 - 18:2)-FB
IM4 5 (1 - 5:2)-FB
IM 267 (18:3 - 22:1)-FB
IM 268 (2 - 4)-FB
TOS 39 (5:2 - 6:1)
IM4 5 (6:3 - 8:4)-FB
IM 268-FB-FB
TOS 39 (6:2 - 7:6)
IM4 5 (9)-FB
TOS 39 (8 - 11:5)
IM4 5 (10 - 15)-FB
TOS 39 (11:6 - 13:7)
IM 268 (19)-FB
IM 144/2-FB
IM 244 (22:5 - 24:5)-FB-FB
**IM:IA 1 (14:1)-FB ****
IM 244 (25;1 - 25:4)-FB-FB
AOI:RIM (16)-FB
IM 244 (25:5 - 35:7)-FB-FB
**IM:IA 1 (14:3 - 14:4)-FB ****
SAVH-FB-FB
TOS 40
F 1 (13 - 24)-FB
TOS 41 (3)-FB
TOS 41 (4:3 - 4:5)-FB
**IM:IA 1 (3) ****
TOS 41 (4:6 - 4:7)-FB
TOS 41
TOS 42
F 1 (25)-FB
**IM:IA 1 (16 - 20) ****
ASM3 1.4
TOS 43


Point 1)

Your (15-20) and their (16-20) is the 1st round of IM vs the Saboteur.
The difference in page range is because IM/TS himself isn't in p15.
Both of you place it between TOS 42, F 1 (25)-FB and ASM3 1.4, TOS 43.

You have:-

**Tales of Suspense 42
**Fury 1 (25)
**Iron Man: The Iron Age 1 (1-2)
Fantastic Four 15
Tales to Astonish 44 (5:7-18)
....
Journey Into Mystery 96
Amazing Spider-Man 5
**Iron Man: The Iron Age 1 (15-20)
**Amazing Spider-Man III 1.4
**Tales of Suspense 43

But note the absence of (1-2) in MCP's chronology. Which leads me to ...


Point 2)

(1-3) is a continuous scene. (1-2) are IM vs airport terrorists. In (3) Pepper Potts meets Tony Stark at the airport after it's all over.
But (1-2) is actually a direct replay of a scene in TOS#41(4:3-4:5). Which is why MCP don't bother to mention it but list (3) immediately afterwards:-

TOS 40
F 1 (13 - 24)-FB
TOS 41 (3)-FB
TOS 41 (4:3 - 4:5)-FB
**IM:IA 1 (3) ****
TOS 41 (4:6 - 4:7)-FB
TOS 41
TOS 42

The equivalent part of your list is:-

Tales of Suspense 40 (4:3-13)
Fury 1 (13-24)
Tales of Suspense 41 (1-10:4)
Tales to Astonish 42
Fantastic Four 9 (23:7)
with Tales of Suspense 41 (10:5-13) much later, but no other IM apps in between.

If you want to include (1-3) it would be:-

Tales of Suspense 40 (4:3-13)
Fury 1 (13-24)
Tales of Suspense 41 (3)-FB
Tales of Suspense 41 (4:3 - 4:5)-FB ~ Iron Man: The Iron Age (1-2)
Iron Man: The Iron Age 1 (3)
Tales of Suspense 41 (4:6 - 4:7)-FB
Tales of Suspense 41 (1-10:4) (this has the FB's embedded in it - I don't know what you'd do about the numbering)
Tales to Astonish 42
Fantastic Four 9 (23:7)

And even if you don' do this you should remove Iron Man: The Iron Age 1 (1-2) from after Fury 1 (25).


But what's the other stuff from IM:IA 1 that MCP have included?


Point 3)

Firstly MCP has:-

IM3 50 (10:4 - 10:5)-FB
**IM:IA 1 (11:3 - 11:8)-FB ****
IM 288/2 (8:2 - 8:3)-FB
IM 267 (11 - 14)-FB
{TOS 39 (1 - 4:3)}

IM:IA 1 (11:3 - 11:8)-FB is among a group of scenes above in the build-up to the origin. In this bit he ignores business problems at home to set out on his trip to South-East Asia.

You have:-

Spider-Man: With Great Power 2 (1-15)
Alias 22 (10-16)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39/1 (1-6:4)
Tales to Astonish 35 (1-3:1)
Tales of Suspense 41 (8:2)-FB

If you want to include this IM:IA bit you'll again need to be more specific.

Spider-Man: With Great Power 2 (1-15)
Alias 22 (10-16)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39/1 (1-3:2) (a general intro to inventor/playboy TS)
Iron Man: The Iron Age 1 (11:3 - 11:8)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39/1 (3:3-6:4) (in SE Asia)
Tales to Astonish 35 (1-3:1)
Tales of Suspense 41 (8:2)-FB


Point 4)

MCP has:-

TOS 39 (11:6 - 13:7)
IM 268 (19)-FB
IM 144/2-FB
IM 244 (22:5 - 24:5)-FB-FB
**IM:IA 1 (14:1)-FB ****
IM 244 (25;1 - 25:4)-FB-FB
AOI:RIM (16)-FB
IM 244 (25:5 - 35:7)-FB-FB
**IM:IA 1 (14:3 - 14:4)-FB ****
SAVH-FB-FB
TOS 40

You have:-

Tales of Suspense 39/1 (11:6-13)
Iron Man 144/2-FB
U.S.Avengers 8 (1-4)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39/3
Tales to Astonish 43 (1-3:1)-FB
Journey Into Mystery 87 (2-3:8)
Tales of Suspense 40 (1-3:6)

IM#144/2 is of course IM meeting James Rhodes.
USA#8 is Toni Ho learning of her father Ho Yinsen's death (which doesn't include IM).

If we're going to include the IM:IA flashbacks then I would suggest also including the IM#244 stuff because it's new info and also explains why IM:IA 1 (14:2)-FB isn't listed by MCP.

In IM 244 (22:5 - 24:5)-FB-FB TS returns to the US and gives his fiancée Joanna Nivena the brush-off because he doesn't want her to discover his chestplate, and also a Stan Lee-type angsty bit about not wanting to burden her with an invalid husband.
In IM:IA 1 (14:1)-FB Pepper notes that TS is withdrawn.
In IM 244 (25;1 - 25:4)-FB-FB TS tells Joanna his secret. She is supportive through some previously-unrecorded grey-armour adventures, but eventually regretfully calls the engagement off.
The missing IM:IA 1 (14:2)-FB has Joanna leaving in tears after telling TS. MCP may consider it a version of the last panel of IM 244 (25;1 - 25:4)-FB-FB.
IM:IA 1 (14:3 - 14:4)-FB has TS not being able to enjoy parties, and starting to drink heavily.

I've missed out AOI:RIM (16)-FB because it's just a replay of the brush-off in IM 244 (22:5 - 24:5)-FB-FB (and as such MCP have it in the wrong place).

I'd suggest:-

Tales of Suspense 39/1 (11:6-13)
Iron Man 144/2-FB
Iron Man 244 (22:5 - 24:5)-FB-FB (maybe include ~ Age of Innocence: Rebirth of Iron Man (16)-FB)
U.S.Avengers 8 (1-4)-FB
Iron Man: The Iron Age 1 (14:1)-FB
Iron Man 244 (25;1 - 25:4)-FB-FB ~ Iron Man: The Iron Age 1 (14:2)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39/3
Tales to Astonish 43 (1-3:1)-FB
Iron Man: The Iron Age 1 (14:3 - 14:4)-FB
Journey Into Mystery 87 (2-3:8)
Tales of Suspense 40 (1-3:6)


Point 5)

So far we've mentioned:-
(1-3)
(4-11:2)
(11:3-11:8)
(14:1-14:4)
(15-20)
(22:3-end)

What's left uncovered is:-
(12-13)
(21-22:2)

(12-13) is just a montage of events from TOS#39 and IM#144/2 which doesn't add anything new.

(9-11) in the too-early flashbacks showed TS spending his time as playboy and inventor, and leaving Pepper to actually run his company.
(21:-21:3) continues that theme showing him diving back into his jet-setting life after the Saboteur bit, including a replay of TOS#44(1) where he flies to an archaeological dig in Egypt.
(21:4-21:6) has Pepper watching this and a headline reports IM solving the wind-tunnel problem in TOS#43(2-4:4).
(22:1-22:2) replays TOS#41(4:6) where IM stops ships colliding, and TOS#41(12:5-12:6) where IM smashes Carlo Strange's generators.
This series of events mentioned is out of sequence. It seems to me that (21) is current leading up to TOS#44, and the headline and following replays are flashbacks.

Thus I suggest:-

Iron Man: The Iron Age 1 (15-20)
Amazing Spider-Man III 1.4
Tales of Suspense 43
Strange Tales 112/1
Tales of Suspense 47 (3:2-3:5)-FB
Iron Man: The Iron Age 1 (21) inserted here
Tales of Suspense 44 (1-13:6)

You could also add the 2 replays to TOS#41 if you want to break that up.
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Re: Chronology: Birth of the Fantastic Four to Birth of the Avengers

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My last 2 subjects have just collided!

While researching Iron Man: Iron Age #1 I discovered a problem with with Amazing Spider-Man III #1.4. You have it in 2 places:-

As ASM3#1.4 in

Strange Tales 107
Amazing Spider-Man 2/2
ASM3 1.4, 1.5
Fantastic Four 12
Journey Into Mystery 89

and as Amazing Spider-Man III #1.4 in

Amazing Spider-Man 5
Iron Man: The Iron Age 1 (15-20)
Amazing Spider-Man III 1.4
Tales of Suspense 43
Strange Tales 112/1

The 1st position satisfies MCP's Spider-Man chronology:-

ASM 2/2
ASMF 6 (2:2 - 3)-FB
ASM3 1.4
ASM3 1.5
ASM 3 (1 - 5)

(You don't have Amazing Spider-Man Family #6 in your list.)

The 2nd position satisfies MCP's Iron Man chronology:-

IM:IA 1 (16 - 20)
ASM3 1.4
TOS 43

but obviously doesn't suit Spidey as it's after ASM#5.

Unfortunately Thing and Thor are also in the issue and they're not happy with either place.


The root cause of the problem is that pre-Avengers #1 Marvel's headline stars didn't interact very much, so this has enabled you to arrange the individual timelines fairly freely. But I believe MCP base the combined timeline of this era on the sequence defined in Marvel Saga, and they've used that as a guide when inserting retcons like ASM3#1.1-1.5.

Marvel Saga #9 has:-
.... JIM#93, ASM#2/2, ST#109, TOS#42, TTA#44, FF#15, ASM#3.
MS#10 follows with:-
ST#110, TTA#45, TOS#43, JIM#94 ....

MCP has ASM3#1.4-1.5 between ASM#2/2 and #3 for SM, ST#109 and #110 for Thing, JIM#93 and #94 for Thor, and TOS#42 and #43 for IM.

In Marvel Saga terms putting ASM3#1.4-1.5 between TOS#42 and ASM#3 satisfies all the requirements.


So let's see where the relevant issues are in your chronology:-

**Amazing Spider-Man 2/2
**ASM3 1.4, 1.5
Fantastic Four 12
Journey Into Mystery 89
Strange Tales 108
Journey Into Mystery 90 (2:3-13)
Journey Into Mystery 91 (3:7-5:6)-FB
Fantastic Four 13 (1-4)
Journey Into Mystery 91
Fantastic Four 13 (5-22)
Incredible Hulk 6
Fantastic Four 14
Strange Tales 116/1 (2)
Journey Into Mystery 92 (1-5)
Sentry/Hulk 1-FB
**Strange Tales 109 (1-7)
Journey Into Mystery 92 (6-13)
**Tales of Suspense 41 (10:5-13)
Tales of Suspense 41/2
**Strange Tales 109 (8-9)
**Amazing Spider-Man 3 (1-4:3)
**Strange Tales 109 (10-13)
**Amazing Spider-Man 3 (4:4-21)
**Strange Tales 110/1 (1-6:5)
Strange Tales 110/3
**Strange Tales 110/1 (6:6-13)
Alias 22 (17-20)
**Tales of Suspense 42
**Fury 1 (25)
(Iron Man: The Iron Age 1 (1-2) I got rid of this in my last post)
Fantastic Four 15
Tales to Astonish 44 (5:7-18)
Strange Tales 111/1
Strange Tales 111/3
**Journey Into Mystery 93
Tales to Astonish 45
Amazing Spider-Man 4
Fantastic Four 16-17
Amazing Spider-Man 5 (3:4-3:7)-FB
**Journey Into Mystery 94
Tales to Astonish 46
Tales to Astonish 47 (1-6:1)
Journey Into Mystery 95
Fantastic Four 18
Fantastic Four Annual 1/1 (1-4)
Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man Annual 1
Journey Into Mystery 99 (4:3-4:6)-FB
Journey Into Mystery 96
Amazing Spider-Man 5
**Iron Man: The Iron Age 1 (15-20)
**Amazing Spider-Man III 1.4
**Tales of Suspense 43

With all due respect there's no reason why MCP should amend their individual chronologies to fit your sequence, replacing Marvel Saga's guideline with yours. But a closer look at things shows that the situation isn't as dire as it seems at 1st sight.

Most of the relevant issues are clustered bin the middle of the list, and the main outliers are the 2 versions of ASM3#1.4. There's no reason why the top ASM3 1.4, 1.5 has to immediately follow ASM#2/2. As far as Spidey is concerned it could be placed immediately before ASM#3. Similarly from IM's POV Amazing Spider-Man III 1.4 (and Iron Man: The Iron Age #1(15-20)) can be moved up to just below TOS #42 (and Fury #1(25)). Suddenly everything is within striking distance of each other:-

**Amazing Spider-Man 2/2
Fantastic Four 12
Journey Into Mystery 89
Strange Tales 108
Journey Into Mystery 90 (2:3-13)
Journey Into Mystery 91 (3:7-5:6)-FB
Fantastic Four 13 (1-4)
Journey Into Mystery 91
Fantastic Four 13 (5-22)
Incredible Hulk 6
Fantastic Four 14
Strange Tales 116/1 (2)
Journey Into Mystery 92 (1-5)
Sentry/Hulk 1-FB
**Strange Tales 109 (1-7)
Journey Into Mystery 92 (6-13)
**Tales of Suspense 41 (10:5-13)
Tales of Suspense 41/2
**Strange Tales 109 (8-9)
**ASM3 1.4, 1.5
**Amazing Spider-Man 3 (1-4:3)
**Strange Tales 109 (10-13)
**Amazing Spider-Man 3 (4:4-21)
**Strange Tales 110/1 (1-6:5)
Strange Tales 110/3
**Strange Tales 110/1 (6:6-13)
Alias 22 (17-20)
**Tales of Suspense 42
**Fury 1 (25)
**Iron Man: The Iron Age 1 (15-20)
**Amazing Spider-Man III 1.4
Fantastic Four 15
Tales to Astonish 44 (5:7-18)
Strange Tales 111/1
Strange Tales 111/3
**Journey Into Mystery 93
Tales to Astonish 45
Amazing Spider-Man 4
Fantastic Four 16-17
Amazing Spider-Man 5 (3:4-3:7)-FB
**Journey Into Mystery 94
Tales to Astonish 46
Tales to Astonish 47 (1-6:1)
Journey Into Mystery 95
Fantastic Four 18
Fantastic Four Annual 1/1 (1-4)
Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man Annual 1
Journey Into Mystery 99 (4:3-4:6)-FB
Journey Into Mystery 96
Amazing Spider-Man 5
**Tales of Suspense 43


Spider-Man and his supporting cast are still happy. Now we move ST#109(10-13) and JIM#93 to before ASM3#1.4 and Thing and Thor are happy too. The last move is to take TOS#42, Fury #1(22) and IM:IA#1(15-20) up to join them and we can combine Amazing Spider-Man III #1.4 with ASM3#1.4:-

**Strange Tales 109 (1-7)
Journey Into Mystery 92 (6-13)
**Tales of Suspense 41 (10:5-13)
Tales of Suspense 41/2
**Strange Tales 109 (8-9)
**Strange Tales 109 (10-13)
**Journey Into Mystery 93
**Tales of Suspense 42
**Fury 1 (25)
**Iron Man: The Iron Age 1 (15-20)
**ASM3 1.4, 1.5
**Amazing Spider-Man 3 (1-4:3)
**Amazing Spider-Man 3 (4:4-21)
**Strange Tales 110/1 (1-6:5)
Strange Tales 110/3
**Strange Tales 110/1 (6:6-13)
Alias 22 (17-20)
Fantastic Four 15
Tales to Astonish 44 (5:7-18)
Strange Tales 111/1
Strange Tales 111/3
Tales to Astonish 45
Amazing Spider-Man 4
Fantastic Four 16-17
Amazing Spider-Man 5 (3:4-3:7)-FB
**Journey Into Mystery 94

Apart from bringing Thing and Thor into line with their MCP chronologies, none of this affects the chronologies of any other chars (eg Jane Foster is with Thor in ASM3#1.4).

Of course this may affect the reasons why you had things (no pun intended) in their original positions. But you are obviously free to rearrange the sequences above and below ASM3#1.4. And some splits in ST#109 and ASM#3 may no longer be necessary unless you want to separate them because of time-gaps.

Note that MCP don't always follow Marvel Saga religiously anyway. For instance they have the FF in ST#110/1 before FF#15 whereas MS has them the other way round.

A late add-on:-
It just occurred to me that ST#109 might still be splittable around ASM3#1.4 without affecting his chronology if Thing only appears in the 1st half of it. But no such luck, he's in the last panel as well.
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Re: Chronology: Birth of the Fantastic Four to Birth of the Avengers

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robfj wrote: Wed May 29, 2019 1:50 pmWith all due respect there's no reason why MCP should amend their individual chronologies to fit your sequence, replacing Marvel Saga's guideline with yours.
I think i've mentioned it already, but just for the record, that's never been my intention. Wherever possible i would like to see these chronologies brought in line with the MCP's individual character chronologies. If any discrepancies between characters are revealed along the way, we'll deal with them in separate topics.

Thanks for your in-depth analysis, robfj. :thumbsup:

I've included all of your placements in a new listing below. Hopefully i didn't Be#d!$ anything up. But i may have, so please check it and let me know if i've missed anything.
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Re: Chronology: Birth of the Fantastic Four to Birth of the Avengers

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Birth of the Fantastic Four to Birth of the Avengers:
Before the FF: Ben Grimm & Logan 1-3
Before the FF: The Storms 1-3 [Johnny Storm is 15yo]
Fantastic Four 233 (8:3 - 8:4)-FB [Johnny in Sophomore Year (ref. OMIFF 1)]
Human Torch II 1 (1 - 7)-FB [Early Summer]
Fantastic Four 659 {FF6 14} (9 - 11:4)-FB [Johnny trains over several weeks as back-up pilot]
Fantastic Four 650/2 {FF6 5/2} (3:2 - 6)-FB [Johnny already back-up pilot]
Fantastic Four 271 (7:3 - 15:4)-FB
Marvel Fanfare 46/2 (1 - 3:3)-FB
Fantastic Four 1 (9:1 - 9:4)-FB ~ Fantastic Four 650/2 {FF6 5/2} (7)-FB
Fantastic Four 40th Wedding Anniversary Special 1 (1 - 3)-FB
Fantastic Four 1 (9:5 - 10)-FB
Fantastic Four 663 {FF6 18} (3:5)-FB
Fantastic Four: First Family 1 (16:3)-FB
Fantastic Four 1 (11 - 12)-FB
Strange Tales 101 (3:5 - 3:6)-FB
Fantastic Four 1 (13:1 - 13:3)-FB
Thing 10 (12:2)-FB
Fantastic Four 1 (13:4)-FB
Thing 10 (12:3)-FB
Fantastic Four 1 (13:5 - 13:7)-FB
Thing 10 (12:6)-FB
Fantastic Four 1 (13:8)-FB
Fantastic Four: First Family 1 (1)
Thing 10 (13 - 16)-FB
Fantastic Four 662 {FF6 17} (1 - 2)-FB
Fantastic Four: First Family 1 (2 - 23)
Fantastic Four: First Family 2 (1 - 11)
Marvels: Eye of the Camera 1 (1 - 4)
Tales to Astonish 27
Fantastic Four 479 {FF3 50} (13:4 - 17)-FB
Tales to Astonish 42 (3 - 4:3)-FB
Spider-Man’s Tangled Web 14 (1 - 18)
Spider-Man: With Great Power 1 (6 - 8)
Amazing Fantasy 15 (1 - 4) ~ Amazing Spider-Man: Parallel Lives 1 (5 - 7) ~ Alias 22 (1 - 4) ~ Spider-Man: With Great Power 1 (9) [Peter Parker is 15yo]
Alias 22 (5 - 9)-FB
Spider-Man: With Great Power 1 (10 - 11)
Spider-Man’s Tangled Web 14 (19 - 22)
Amazing Fantasy 15 (5 - 6:1) ~ Amazing Spider-Man: Parallel Lives 1 (8) ~ Spider-Man: With Great Power 1 (12 - 13)
Spider-Man: With Great Power 1 (14 - 22)
Spider-Man: With Great Power 2 (1 - 15)
Alias 22 (10 - 16)-FB
Amazing Spider-Man 422 (10:2)-FB
Iron Man: The Iron Age 1 (11:3 - 11:8)-FB
Iron Man 267 (10:5 - 14)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39 (1 - 4:4)
Iron Man 267 (15 - 16:2)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39 (4:5) ~ Iron Man 267 (6:3 - 16:4)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39 (4:6) ~ Iron Man 267 (16:3 - 16:4)-FB ~ Iron Man 395 (11:2 - 11:4)-FB ~ Order II 9 (2:5)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39 (4:7)
Iron Man 267 (16:5 - 17:2)-FB
Iron Man 2000 Annual 1 (10:2 - 10:7)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39 (4:8 - 5:1)
Iron Man 439 (1:3 - 2:1)-FB
Iron Man 443 (2:2 - 2:3)-FB
Iron Man 267 (17:3 - 17:4)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39 (6:1)
Iron Man 267 (17:5)-FB
Iron Man 267 (18:1)-FB ~ Iron Man 439 (2:3)-FB
Iron Man 439 (2:4 - 2:6)-FB
Iron Man 395 (12&13:1 - 12&13:4)-FB
Iron Man 267 (18:2 - 20:1)-FB
Iron Man 267 (20:2 - 21:1)-FB ~ Iron Man 268 (2:2 - 2:3)-FB
Iron Man 267 (21:2 - 21:4)-FB
Iron Man 268 (2:4)-FB
Iron Man 267 (21:5 - 22)-FB
Iron Man 268 (2:5 - 4)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39 (5:2 - 5:7)
Iron Man 439 (3 - 5:2)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39 (6:2 - 6:4)

Tales to Astonish 35 (1 - 3:1)
Tales of Suspense 41 (8:2)-FB
Contest of Champions III 3 (1 - 3)-FB [12yo Jeannine Sauvage becomes the new Guillotine]
Fantastic Four: First Family 2 (12)
Marvels: Eye of the Camera 1 (5 - 6)
Fantastic Four 1 (1 - 3:4) ~ Fantastic Four: First Family 2 (13)
Fantastic Four 1 (3:4 - 4:1) ~ Marvel Fanfare 46/2 (8:5 - 8:7)-FB
Fantastic Four 479 (12)-FB
Fantastic Four 1 (4:2 - 4:3)
Fantastic Four 1 (4:4 - 4:5) ~ Fantastic Four 479 (13:1 - 13:3)-FB
Fantastic Four 479 (18)-FB
Fantastic Four 1 (4:6 - 7:2) ~ Fantastic Four 479 (19:1)-FB
Fantastic Four 479 (19:2 - 19:6)-FB
Fantastic Four 1 (7:3 - 8)
Marvels: Eye of the Camera 1 (7:1 - 7:4)
Fantastic Four 1 (14 - 25)
Fantastic Four: First Family 2 (14)
Marvels: Eye of the Camera 1 (7:5 - 9)
Fantastic Four: First Family 2 (15 - 22)
Fantastic Four 22 (13:6 - 14:1)-FB
Fantastic Four 662 {FF6 17} (3 - 5)-FB
Spider-Man: With Great Power 2 (14 - 17)
Amazing Fantasy 15 (6:2 - 6:8) ~ Amazing Spider-Man: Parallel Lives 1 (9) ~ Spider-Man: With Great Power 2 (18)
Marvel Comics 1000/24 [August]
Spider-Man: With Great Power 2 (19 - 23)
Spider-Man: With Great Power 1 (1 - 5)
Marvel Fanfare 46/2 (3:4 - 8:4)
Fantastic Four: First Family 3
Spider-Man: With Great Power 3 (1 - 3)
Fantastic Four: First Family 4-5
Fantastic Four: First Family 6 (1 - 21:1)
Fantastic Four 2
Marvel Monsters: Fin Fang Four 1 (1 - 3)
Fantastic Four: First Family 6 (21:2 - 21:6)
Fantastic Four 3 (1 - 8)
Fantastic Four: First Family 6 (22 - 23)
Tales of the Marvels: Inner Demons 1 (1 - 4)
Spider-Man: With Great Power 3 (4 - 5)
Fantastic Four 3 (9 - 10)
Fantastic Four 3 (11 - 23)
Fantastic Four 138 (15:6)-FB
Amazing Spider-Man: Parallel Lives 1 (10 - 12) [October at the Earliest]
Spider-Man: With Great Power 3 (6 - 7)
Amazing Fantasy 15 (7) ~ Amazing Spider-Man: Parallel Lives 1 (13) ~ Spider-Man: With Great Power 3 (8 - 9)
Amazing Fantasy 15 (8:1 - 8:6) ~ Spider-Man: With Great Power 3 (10 - 11:2)
Spider-Man: With Great Power 3 (11:3 - 13:2)
Tales of the Marvels: Inner Demons 1 (5 - 14)
Tales to Astonish 35 (3:2 - 3:3)
Tales of the Marvels: Inner Demons 1 (15 - 24)
Uncanny Origins 5 (1 - 4)
Uncanny Origins 5 (5) ~ Incredible Hulk 1 (2:1 - 2:7)
Uncanny Origins 5 (6)
Uncanny Origins 5 (7 - 10) ~ Incredible Hulk 1 (2:8 - 4:6)
Amazing Fantasy 15 (8:7 - 8:8)
ASM3 1/7 ("Amazing Reality")
Incredible Hulk 1 (4:7 - 6) ~ Uncanny Origins 5 (11 - 14)
Amazing Fantasy 15 (9:1)
Tales of the Marvels: Inner Demons 1 (26 - 29:2)
Incredible Hulk 1 (7 - 14) ~ Uncanny Origins 5 (15 - 20)
Incredible Hulk 1 (15 - 16)
Fantastic Four 4 (1 - 7)
Spider-Man: With Great Power 3 (13:3 - 17)
Tales of the Marvels: Inner Demons 1 (29:3 - 30)
Fantastic Four 4 (8:1 - 8:2)
Fantastic Four 4 (8:3 - 10) ~ Tales of the Marvels: Inner Demons 1 (31 - 37:1)
Saga of the Sub-Mariner 7-FB
Fantastic Four 4 (11 - 13) ~ Tales of the Marvels: Inner Demons 1 (37:2 - 37:3)
Fantastic Four 4 (14 - 15:5)
Tales of the Marvels: Inner Demons 1 (38 - 40)
Spider-Man: With Great Power 3 (18 - 19:3)
Incredible Hulk 1 (17 - 24)
Fantastic Four 4 (15:6 - 18:3)
Spider-Man: With Great Power 3 (19:4 - 22)
Spider-Man: With Great Power 4 (1 - 13)
Fantastic Four 4 (18:4-23)
Spider-Man: With Great Power 4 (14 - 16:2)
Uncanny Origins 5 (21 - 22)
Spider-Man: With Great Power 4 (16:3 - 22)
Journey Into Mystery 83
Journey Into Mystery 89 (3:4)-FB
Incredible Hulk 2
Fantastic Four Annual 2 (12:2)-FB
Fantastic Four 5
Tales to Astonish 35 (3:4 - 13)
Marvels: Eye of the Camera 1 (10/11:1)
Thor: The Legend 1 (43 - 45)
Journey Into Mystery 84 (1 - 3)
Fantastic Four 6 (1 - 5:4)
Incredible Hulk 3 (17 - 18:5)-FB
Incredible Hulk 3 (1 - 16)
Incredible Hulk 3 (18:6 - 24)
Journey Into Mystery 84 (4 - 13)
Spider-Man: With Great Power 5
Untold Tales of Spider-Man 12 (13:5 - 14)-FB
Amazing Spider-Man: Parallel Lives 1 (14:3 - 16) [Late November]
Amazing Spider-Man 200 (25:5 - 25:8)-FB
Amazing Fantasy 15 (9:2 - 11) ~ Amazing Spider-Man: Parallel Lives 1 (17 - 20)
ASM3 1.1 (1-3)
Amazing Spider-Man 400/3 [Peter Parker is 16yo]
Incredible Hulk 155 (11:2 - 11:4)-FB
Tales of the Marvels: Inner Demons 1 (38 - 45)
Incredible Hulk 155 (11:5 - 12:2)-FB
Fantastic Four 6 (5:5 - 15)
Marvels: Eye of the Camera 1 (10/11:2 - 10/11:3)
Fantastic Four 6 (16 - 24)
Fantastic Four 10 (8:4 - 9:3)-FB
Amazing Fantasy 16 (1 - 6)
ASM3 1.1 (4 - 14)
Amazing Fantasy 16 (7 - 30)
ASM3 1.1 (15 - 22)
Web of Spider-Man II 4 (4:2)-FB
Marvels: Eye of the Camera 1 (10/11:4 - 10/11:5)
Journey Into Mystery 85
Journey Into Mystery 88 (2:1 - 2:3)-FB
Thor 159 (3 - 7:1)-FB
Fantastic Four 7
Marvel Feature 11 (4:7 - 5:1)-FB
Fantastic Four 8 (1 - 10:4)
Marvels: Eye of the Camera 1 (10/11:6 - 10/11:7)
Fantastic Four 8 (10:5 - 23)
Strange Tales 101 (1 - 5)
Marvels: Eye of the Camera 1 (10/11:8 - 12:1)
Strange Tales 101 (6:1 - 6:3)
Marvels: Eye of the Camera 1 (12:2 - 13:5)
Strange Tales 101 (6:4 - 13)
Strange Tales 102
Tales to Astonish 36
Tales to Astonish 38 (2 - 3:5)-FB
Tales to Astonish 37 (1 - 8:6)
Journey Into Mystery 86
Cable Minus 1
Tales to Astonish 37 (8:7 - 13)
Iron Man 268 (9:1 - 9:2)-FB-FB
Iron Man 268 (6:3 - 8)-FB
Iron Man 268 (9:3 - 10:1)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39 (6:5)
Iron Man 439 (6:3)-FB
Iron Man 268 (10:4)-FB
Iron Man 2000 Annual 1 (1:1)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39 (6:6) ~ Iron Man 268 (11:1)-FB ~ Iron Man 439 (6:3)-FB
Iron Man 439 (7 - 8:2)-FB
Iron Man 439 (8:4)-FB
Iron Man 439 (9:1)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39 (7:1 - 7:2)
Iron Man 268 (11:2)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39 (7:3)
Iron Man 268 (11:3 - 11:5)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39 (7:4)
Iron Man 268 (11:6)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39 (7:5) ~ Iron Man 2000 Annual 1 (11:1)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39 (7:6) ~ Iron Man 268 (12:1)-FB
Iron Man 376 (21:9)-FB
Iron Man 268 (12:2 - 13:1)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39 (8:1 - 9:4)
Iron Man 268 (13:2)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39 (9:5)
Tales of Suspense 39 (9:6 - 9:7) ~ Iron Man 268 (12:3 - 12:4)-FB
Iron Man 268 (13:5)-FB
Iron Man 2000 Annual 1 (11:2)-FB
Iron Man 377 (3:2)-FB
Iron Man 2000 Annual 1 (11:3)-FB
Iron Man 377 (3:4)-FB
Iron Man 2000 Annual 1 (11:4 - 12:6)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39 (9:8)
Iron Man 268 (13:6)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39 (10:1)
Iron Man 268 (13:7)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39 (10:2 - 10:3)
Iron Man 268 (14:1 - 14:2)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39 (10:4 - 10:6)
Iron Man 268 (14:3)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39 (10:7 - 10:9)
Iron Man 268 (14:4)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39 (11:1 - 11:2) ~ Iron Man 268 (14:5 - 14:6)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39 (11:3 - 11:4)
Tales of Suspense 39 (11:5) ~ Iron Man 268 (14:7)-FB
Iron Man 268 (15:1)-FB
Iron Man 439 (9:2 - 15)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39 (11:6 - 11:7)
Iron Man 268 (15:2)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39 (11:8 - 12:2)
Tales of Suspense 39 (12:3 - 13:6) ~ Iron Man 268 (15:3 - 16)-FB
Iron Man 268 (17:2 - 18)-FB
Tales of Suspense 39 (13:7)
Iron Man 268 (19)-FB
Iron Man 144/2 ~ Marvel Saga 7 (8 - 12)
Iron Man 244 (22:5 - 24:5)-FB-FB
U.S.Avengers 8 (1 - 4)-FB
Iron Man: The Iron Age 1 (14:1)-FB
Iron Man 244 (25:1 - 25:4)-FB-FB ~ Iron Man: The Iron Age 1 (14:2)-FB

Tales of Suspense 39/3
Tales to Astonish 43 (1 - 3:1)-FB
Iron Man: The Iron Age 1 (14:3 - 14:4)-FB
Journey Into Mystery 87 (2 - 3:8)
Tales of Suspense 40 (1 - 3:6)
Amazing Fantasy 17 (1 - 6)
Amazing Spider-Man 801 (1 - 10) [Mid-December]
Tales of Suspense 40 (3:7 - 4:2)
Marvel Fanfare 50 (26:1 - 26:2)-FB
Angel: Revelations 1-2
X-Men 54/2 (3:1 - 3:5)
Uncanny Origins 3 (3 - 4)
Angel: Revelations 3
Uncanny Origins 1 (1 - 10)
X-Men 38/2-43/2 ~ Uncanny Origins 1 (12 - 22) ~ X-Men Legends II 1 (12:2 - 12:3)-FB
Amazing Fantasy 17 (7 - 30)
Amazing Fantasy 18
Amazing Spider-Man 801 (11:1) [Late December]
Amazing Spider-Man 422 (10:3)-FB
First X-Men 5 (20)
Uncanny Origins 3 (5)
X-Men 54/2 (3:6 - 5) ~ Angel: Revelations 4-5
X-Men 44/2 ~ X-Men Origins: Iceman 1 (14 - 22)
X-Men 45/2 ~ X-Men Origins: Iceman 1 (23 - 24:1)
X-Men 46/2 ~ X-Men Origins: Iceman 1 (24:2 - 30)
X-Men Origins: Jean Grey 1 (17)
X-Men 55/2 ~ Uncanny Origins 3 (8 - 13:3)
X-Men 56/2 ~ Uncanny Origins 3 (13:4 - 17)
X-Men 15 (16:2 - 16:4)-FB
X-Men 51/2-53/2 (1-5:4) ~ Uncanny Origins 6 (15 - 17:2)
X-Men Legacy 216-FB
X-Men 15 (16:5 - 16:6)-FB ~ Uncanny Origins 6 (17:3) ~ Amazing Adventures II 17-FB
X-Men 53/2 (5:5 - 5:6)
Strange Tales 103
Tales to Astonish 38 (3:6 - 10)
Strange Tales 104
Journey Into Mystery 87 (3:9 - 10:4) ~ Journey Into Mystery 88 (2:4 - 3:4)-FB
Strange Tales 108 (6:4 - 7:4)-FB
Tales to Astonish 39
Strange Tales 105
Wolverine & Cable: Guts & Glory 1
Strange Tales 106
Fantastic Four 543 (6:3) [The FF’s first press conference to include Johnny Storm]
Incredible Hulk 4 [Rick Jones is 16yo]
Tales to Astonish 43 (3:2 - 4:2)-FB
Tales to Astonish 40
Amazing Spider-Man Family 3
Journey Into Mystery 87 (10:5 - 10:6)
Incredible Hulk 4/2
Amazing Spider-Man 1
ASM 4-FB ~ MTIO 86-FB ~ FNSM@ 1-FB [Sandman Origin]
ASM3 1.2 (1 - 3) [Clash on patrol sees Vulture]
Amazing Spider-Man 1/2 (1 - 5:1) ~ Fantastic Four Annual 1/2
ASM3 1.2 (4 - 9) [Clash sees SM leave FF]
Amazing Spider-Man 1/2 (5:2 - 10) ~ ASM3 1.2 (10 - 12) [SM vs Chameleon]
ASM3 1.2 (13 - 20) [MS arranges staged fight between Clash and SM]
ASM3 1.3 (1 - 4) [Clash can't salvage the video of the fight]
ASM3 1.3 (5 - 6) [Clayton Cole & the nerd club set up for the Science Fair]
Fantastic Four 9 (1 - 5)
Amazing Spider-Man 2 ~ ASM3 1.3 (7 - 10) [Spring Break]
ASM3 1.3 (11 - 21) [The Science Fair]
Peter Parker: The Spectacular Spider-Man 2018 Annual 1 (22)
Fantastic Four 9 (6 - 23:6) [This cannnot take place during Summer Break between his Sophomore & Junior Years, as stated in OMIFF 1, but must take place over a much shorter period of time, probably during Spring Break of Johnny’s Junior Year]
Marvels: Eye of the Camera 1 (10/11:8 - 12:1)
Journey Into Mystery 88 (3:5 - 13)
Marvels: Eye of the Camera 1 (12:2 - 14)
Marvels: Eye of the Camera 1 (15 - 16)
Incredible Hulk 5 (1 - 4:1)
Marvels: Eye of the Camera 1 (17 - 19)
Incredible Hulk 5 (4:2 - 9:6)
Tales to Astonish 41
Tales of Suspense 40 (4:3 - 13)
Fury 1 (13 - 24)
Tales of Suspense 41 (3)-FB
Tales of Suspense 41 (4:3 - 4:5)-FB
Iron Man: The Iron Age 1 (3)
Tales of Suspense 41 (4:6 - 4:7)-FB
Tales of Suspense 41 (1 - 10:4)
Tales to Astonish 42
Fantastic Four 9 (23:7)
Fantastic Four 10
Incredible Hulk 5 (9:7 - 11)
Tales to Astonish 43 (4:3 - 6:5)
Incredible Hulk 5/2 (1 - 5)
Tales to Astonish 43 (6:6 - 13)
Tales to Astonish 44 (1 - 5:6)
Incredible Hulk 5/2 (6 - 13:6)
Journey Into Mystery 90 (1 - 2:2)
Amazing Spider-Man 801 (11:2)
Amazing Spider-Man '97 (4:4 - 5:2)-FB
Amazing Spider-Man 40 (3:2 - 3:5)-FB
Amazing Spider-Man 40 (3:7 - 4:1)-FB
Spectacular Spider Man Annual 14 (25:3 - 25:4)-FB
Amazing Spider-Man 40 (4:4 - 4:6)-FB
Amazing Spider-Man 514-FB-FB
Amazing Spider-Man 40 (5:1)-FB
Spectacular Spider Man Annual 14 (25:7)-FB

Fantastic Four 11
Fantastic Four 11/2 (1 - 6)
Marvel Comics Presents 160/4
Marvel Comics Presents 161
Fantastic Four 11/2 (7 - 11)
Incredible Hulk 5/2 (13:7 - 13:8)
Strange Tales 107
Amazing Spider-Man 2/2
Fantastic Four 12 (1 - 5)
Fantastic Four 12 (6 - 18:3) ~ Hulk/Thing: Hard Knocks 2 (11 - 12, 16:5 - 20:1)-FB
Fantastic Four 12 (18:4 - 23) ~ Hulk/Thing: Hard Knocks 3 (7 - 9, 11 - 13, 16:3 - 16:5)-FB
Hulk/Thing: Hard Knocks 3 (17 - 22)-FB
Hulk/Thing: Hard Knocks 4 (1 - 5:1)-FB
Hulk/Thing: Hard Knocks 4 (6 - 8)-FB
Marvel 4/4
Journey Into Mystery 89
Strange Tales 108
Journey Into Mystery 90 (2:3 - 13)
Journey Into Mystery 91 (3:7- 5:6)-FB
Fantastic Four 13 (1 - 4)
Journey Into Mystery 91
Fantastic Four 13 (5 - 22)
Incredible Hulk 6
Fantastic Four 14
Strange Tales 116 (2)-FB
Journey Into Mystery 92 (1 - 5)
Sentry/Hulk 1-FB
Strange Tales 109 (1 - 7)
Journey Into Mystery 92 (6 - 13)
Tales of Suspense 41 (10:5 - 13)
Tales of Suspense 41/2
Strange Tales 109 (8 - 9)
Strange Tales 109 (10 - 13)
Journey Into Mystery 93
Tales of Suspense 42
Fury 1 (25)
Iron Man: The Iron Age 1 (15 - 20)
ASM3 1.4, 1.5
Amazing Spider-Man 3 (1 - 4:3)
Amazing Spider-Man 3 (4:4 - 21)
Strange Tales 110 (1 - 6:5)
Strange Tales 110/3
Strange Tales 110 (6:6 - 13)
Fantastic Four 15
Tales to Astonish 44 (5:7 - 18)
Strange Tales 111
Strange Tales 111/3
Tales to Astonish 45
Alias 22 (17 - 20)
Fantastic Four 16-17
Amazing Spider-Man 5 (3:4 - 3:7)-FB
Alias 22 (21 - 22)
Alias 23 (1 - 14)
Amazing Spider-Man 4
Journey Into Mystery 94
Tales to Astonish 46 [Spring]
Tales to Astonish 47 (1 - 6:1)
Journey Into Mystery 95
Fantastic Four 18
Fantastic Four Annual 1 (1 - 4)
Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man Annual 1
Journey Into Mystery 99 (4:3 - 4:6)-FB
Journey Into Mystery 96
Amazing Spider-Man 5
Tales of Suspense 43
Amazing Spider-Man 40 (5:2)-FB
Spider-Man: Revenge of the Green Goblin 3 (15:5)-FB

Strange Tales 112
Tales of Suspense 47 (3:2 - 3:5)-FB
Iron Man: The Iron Age 1 (21)
Tales of Suspense 44 (1 - 13:6)
Tales of Suspense 44/3
Tales of Suspense 47 (3:6 - 4:1)-FB
Tales of Suspense 44 (13:7)
Iron Man: Director of SHIELD 30 (1 - 3)-FB
Fury 1 (26:1 - 39:2)
Amazing Spider-Man 40 (5:3 - 5:6)-FB
Peter Parker Spider-Man 2001 Annual 1 [Summer Break begins]
Strange Tales Annual 2
Fantastic Four Annual 1 (5 - 37)
Untold Tales of Spider-Man 14 (16:2 - 16:5)-FB
Amazing Spider-Man 6
Untold Tales of Spider-Man 1 (1 - 14:1)
Untold Tales of Spider-Man 8 (4:4)-FB
Untold Tales of Spider-Man 1 (14:2 - 20)
Untold Tales of Spider-Man 2

Spider-Man Family 9/2
Amazing Spider-Man 422 (10:2 - 11:1)-FB
Tales to Astonish 47 (6:2 - 6:7)
Avengers 1


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Re: Chronology: Birth of the Fantastic Four to Birth of the Avengers

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Just when you thought it was safe, here comes the opening two-page scene of ASM3 1.4, in which Spider-Man is taking photos of the following things:

* The Thing arguing with a parking lot attendant, from Fantastic Four #14 (11:4), and stacking cars (12:2)
* Thor flying with Jane Foster, apparently from Journey Into Mystery #89 (11:1-11:2) --although Peter thinks "what's up with Thor flying these nurses around all the time?," which implies that it might not have to be that particular moment
* Iron Man crushing cannonballs, from Tales of Suspense #41 (7:1)

Then he sells the photos to J. Jonah Jameson, who says that Spider-Man was "seen fleeing the scene of a fire in Queens," putting that moment after ASM 2/2.
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Re: Chronology: Birth of the Fantastic Four to Birth of the Avengers

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I don't think any of that is too much of a problem. Apart from his flashback appearance in ASMF 6 (2:2 - 3)-FB, which i've still neglected to inlude, Spidey doesn't appear in anything between ASM 2/2 and ASM3 1.4, and all of the other scenes have already occured in our chronology, as robfj has worked out in this section, so each of these scenes could simply be considered as flashbacks. It would be different if we had some of those scenes placed after ASM3 1.4, but i think it works as it stands.
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Re: Chronology: Birth of the Fantastic Four to Birth of the Avengers

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This should be my last comment on this section of your magnum opus, and it's a simple one.

What is the entry near the end for Ms Marvel II 9 (1-4)-FB?
There is no FB in p1-4 of Ms Marvel (Carol Danvers) vol 2 (2006) #9.

I've tried a few variations on what you might mean but no luck.
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Re: Chronology: Birth of the Fantastic Four to Birth of the Avengers

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Ah ha! That should read Ms Marvel III 9 (1-4)-FB (Kamala Khan) [In Karachi, Aisha’s daughter and her own pregnant daughter Muneeba, discuss Muneeba’s son Aamir’s excitement at soon going to New Jersey, where he will begin school in the fall; Muneeba tells her mother that she is uneasy about the trip, so Aisha tells her of her grandmother’s walk to Pakistan, and gives Muneeba a set of bracelets that belonged to her]

Of course, it's pure speculation on placement, but seems about right unless i've badly miscalculated. Fixed above.
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Re: Chronology: Birth of the Fantastic Four to Birth of the Avengers

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Ms. Marvel vol. 4 #9, I suspect!

Going back to Marvel 75th Anniversary Celebration, though, Kamala's already around (and being called inside by her mother) at the time of the FF's space flight, so that flashback would have to predate FF 1 considerably...
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Well, fair enough. I'll just eradicate that one.
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Re: Chronology: Birth of the Fantastic Four to Birth of the Avengers

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Relevant segments from Spider-Man: Parallel Lives have been added in, along with calendar notes where specifically mentioned in individual issues. Looks like about seven months from birth of the FF to birth of the Avengers, roughly early November to early June.
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