In UX 210, the X-Men save Nightcrawler from a mob he couldn't escape because his power of teleporting was gone.
In UX 211, Kurt tries to teleport but that leaves him weak.
In between, he appears in X@ 10, in which he teleports normally.
I know the Mutant Massacre timeline is a mess and the MCP had a hard time to sort it out, so that's why I'm asking: has this been considered?
Coulnd't UX 210 (17:7 - 20) be placed after X@ 10? UX 210 (21) shouldn't, it's Wolverine and Storm discussing the disappearance of Rachel.
Nightcrawler in X@ 10
Moderators: Col_Fury, michel, Arthur, Somebody, StrayLamb
Re: Nightcrawler in X@ 10
Okay, first time I involve myself in X-Men crossover chronology. I've not read past discussions.
Moving UX 210 (17:7 - 20) after X@ 10 does not seem wise to me. In X@ 10 Kurt first teleports within the confines of the Danger Room and then teleports after the X-Men have been altered by Spiral (who displayed the ability to restore Storm's powers).
Here are some avenues that appeared to me:
1a. Place X@ 10 between pages 8 & 9 of UX 211.
1b. Or between 9:3 and 9:4 (i.e. X@ 10 occurs while the Morlock is being autopsied. Or the Morlock survived for a while so that Psylocke read his memory, then died and was autopsied.)
2. Place pages 1-3 of X@ 10 earlier than Nightcrawler "losing" his power (as a result of Nimrod in UX 209). Theoretically, you can do that on the premise that Mojo did not broadcast the training session live. But that requires Psylocke to join the team before UX 207. And by then it's Wolverine who's in bad shape.
3. In X@ 10, Storm regains her powers thanks to Mojo/Spiral then loses them again. You can assume the same thing happened for Nightcrawler. He regained his powers under Spiral's influence then reverted to the state he was in UX 210.
Assessment:
For the latter part of X@ 10 you've got the Spiral explanation. For the Danger Room part, you could place it earlier but there is no spot available as that would put the arrival of Psylocke in NM@ 2 circa UX 203.
1a is a bit rough but avoids the disadvantage of the X-Men waiting to help the Morlocks.
1b is better as Sharon Friedlander needs time to do the autopsy and X@ 10 can happen during this time.
2. I see no solution where to move the Danger Room session. Unless you put it between UX 210 and 211 like so:
X@ 10 (1 - 3) teleporting in controlled environment > UX 211 (1 - 9:3) teleporting too soon after session, Morlock arrives, sent to infirmary. > Psylocke reads Morlock's brain > X@ 10 (4 - 38) > UX 211 (9:4 - 22)
Creating a break in UX 211 raises the question of what to do with NM@ 2. Before UX 211 or after UX 211 (1 - 9:3) ?
NM@ 2 Psylocke arrives > UX 211 (1 - 9:3) Morlock arrives, sent to infirmary. > Psylocke reads Morlock's brain > X@ 10 > UX 211 (9:4 - 22)
or
UX 211 (1 - 9:3) Morlock arrives, sent to infirmary. > NM@ 2 Psylocke arrives > Psylocke reads dead Morlock's brain > X@ 10 > UX 211 (9:4 - 22)
This latter choice can explain the delay in the X-Men intervening. They have no telepath when the Morlock arrives and maybe they did not understand what he said. Then Psylocke joins and reads the memory (can she read the memory of dead people?), then informs the X-Men of what she saw.
Suggested corrections for characters appearing in UX 211 (1 - 9:3)
BRIGHTWIND
NM:WC
UX 211 move here
NM 45
UX 211 move from here
NM 46-BTS
COLOSSUS III/PIOTR NIKOLAIEVITCH "PETER" RASPUTIN
UX 210
*UX 211 (1 - 9:3) add
X@ 10
*UX 211 (9:4 - 22) add range
NM 46 (1 - 8)
MAGIK/ILLYANA RASPUTINA
NM:WC
*UX 211 (1 - 9:3) add
NM@ 2-FB
NM@ 2
X@ 10
NM 45
*UX 211 (9:4 - 22) add range
MAGNETO/MAGNUS/MAX EISENHARDT/"ERIC LENSHERR"/"MICHAEL XAVIER"
UX 210 (16:5 - 23:7)
*UX 211 (1 - 9:3) add
X@ 10
NM 45
*UX 211 (9:4 - 22) add range
MIRAGE II/DANIELLE MOONSTAR
UX 211 move here
NM@ 2
X@ 10
NM 45
UX 211 move from here
NM 46
NIGHTCRAWLER/KURT WAGNER
UX 210
*UX 211 (1 - 9:3) add
X@ 10
*UX 211 (9:4 - 22) add range
NM 46
PSYLOCKE/ELIZABETH BRADDOCK II (no change)
From Captain Britain II
NM@ 2
X@ 10
UX 211
ROGUE/ANNA MARIE
UX 210
*UX 211 (1 - 9:3) add
X@ 10
*UX 211 (9:4 - 22) add range
NM 46
SHADOWCAT/KATHERINE "KITTY" PRYDE
NM:WC
*UX 211 (1 - 9:3) add
X@ 10
NM 45
*UX 211 (9:4 - 22) add range
WOLVERINE/"LOGAN"/JAMES HOWLETT
UX 210
*UX 211 (1 - 9:3) add
X@ 10
*UX 211 (9:4 - 22) add range
PP 27
Note: [[[CLICK & DRAG: With the move of NM@ 2 and X@ 10 after the start of the Mutant Massacre, it would be better to move NM 45 (spanning a few days) before NM@ 2.
BRIGHTWIND (no change)
NM:WC
NM 45
UX 211
NM 46-BTS
CANNONBALL/SAMUEL ZACHARY GUTHRIE
NM:WC
*NM 45 move here
NM@ 2-FB
X@ 10
*NM 45 move from here
NM 46
CYPHER/DOUG RAMSEY
NM:WC
*NM 45 move here
NM@ 2 (7)-FB
NM@ 2
X@ 10
*NM 45 move from here
NM 46
MAGIK/ILLYANA RASPUTINA
NM:WC
*NM 45 move here
*UX 211 (1 - 9:3) add
NM@ 2-FB
NM@ 2
X@ 10
*NM 45 move from here
*UX 211 (9:4 - 22) add range
MAGMA/AMARA AQUILLA/ALLISON CRESTMERE
NM:WC
*NM 45 move here
NM@ 2-FB
NM@ 2
X@ 10
*NM 45 move from here
NM 46
MAGNETO/MAGNUS/MAX EISENHARDT/"ERIC LENSHERR"/"MICHAEL XAVIER"
UX 210 (16:5 - 23:7)
*NM 45 move here
*UX 211 (1 - 9:3) add
X@ 10
*NM 45 move from here
*UX 211 (9:4 - 22) add range
MIRAGE II/DANIELLE MOONSTAR
*NM 45 move here
*UX 211 move here
NM@ 2
X@ 10
*NM 45 move from here
*UX 211 move from here
NM 46
SHADOWCAT/KATHERINE "KITTY" PRYDE
NM:WC
*NM 45 move here
*UX 211 (1 - 9:3) add
X@ 10
*NM 45 move from here
*UX 211 (9:4 - 22) add range
SUNSPOT/ROBERTO DA COSTA
NM:WC
*NM 45 move here
NM@ 2-FB
NM@ 2
X@ 10
*NM 45 move from here
NM 46
WARLOCK III [TECHNARCH]
NM:WC
*NM 45 move here
NM@ 2-FB
NM@ 2
X@ 10
*NM 45 move from here
NM 46
WOLFSBANE/RAHNE SINCLAIR
NM:WC
*NM 45 move here
NM@ 2-FB
NM@ 2
X@ 10
*NM 45 move from here
NM 46
]]]
Moving UX 210 (17:7 - 20) after X@ 10 does not seem wise to me. In X@ 10 Kurt first teleports within the confines of the Danger Room and then teleports after the X-Men have been altered by Spiral (who displayed the ability to restore Storm's powers).
Here are some avenues that appeared to me:
1a. Place X@ 10 between pages 8 & 9 of UX 211.
1b. Or between 9:3 and 9:4 (i.e. X@ 10 occurs while the Morlock is being autopsied. Or the Morlock survived for a while so that Psylocke read his memory, then died and was autopsied.)
2. Place pages 1-3 of X@ 10 earlier than Nightcrawler "losing" his power (as a result of Nimrod in UX 209). Theoretically, you can do that on the premise that Mojo did not broadcast the training session live. But that requires Psylocke to join the team before UX 207. And by then it's Wolverine who's in bad shape.
3. In X@ 10, Storm regains her powers thanks to Mojo/Spiral then loses them again. You can assume the same thing happened for Nightcrawler. He regained his powers under Spiral's influence then reverted to the state he was in UX 210.
Assessment:
For the latter part of X@ 10 you've got the Spiral explanation. For the Danger Room part, you could place it earlier but there is no spot available as that would put the arrival of Psylocke in NM@ 2 circa UX 203.
1a is a bit rough but avoids the disadvantage of the X-Men waiting to help the Morlocks.
1b is better as Sharon Friedlander needs time to do the autopsy and X@ 10 can happen during this time.
2. I see no solution where to move the Danger Room session. Unless you put it between UX 210 and 211 like so:
X@ 10 (1 - 3) teleporting in controlled environment > UX 211 (1 - 9:3) teleporting too soon after session, Morlock arrives, sent to infirmary. > Psylocke reads Morlock's brain > X@ 10 (4 - 38) > UX 211 (9:4 - 22)
Creating a break in UX 211 raises the question of what to do with NM@ 2. Before UX 211 or after UX 211 (1 - 9:3) ?
NM@ 2 Psylocke arrives > UX 211 (1 - 9:3) Morlock arrives, sent to infirmary. > Psylocke reads Morlock's brain > X@ 10 > UX 211 (9:4 - 22)
or
UX 211 (1 - 9:3) Morlock arrives, sent to infirmary. > NM@ 2 Psylocke arrives > Psylocke reads dead Morlock's brain > X@ 10 > UX 211 (9:4 - 22)
This latter choice can explain the delay in the X-Men intervening. They have no telepath when the Morlock arrives and maybe they did not understand what he said. Then Psylocke joins and reads the memory (can she read the memory of dead people?), then informs the X-Men of what she saw.
Suggested corrections for characters appearing in UX 211 (1 - 9:3)
BRIGHTWIND
NM:WC
UX 211 move here
NM 45
UX 211 move from here
NM 46-BTS
COLOSSUS III/PIOTR NIKOLAIEVITCH "PETER" RASPUTIN
UX 210
*UX 211 (1 - 9:3) add
X@ 10
*UX 211 (9:4 - 22) add range
NM 46 (1 - 8)
MAGIK/ILLYANA RASPUTINA
NM:WC
*UX 211 (1 - 9:3) add
NM@ 2-FB
NM@ 2
X@ 10
NM 45
*UX 211 (9:4 - 22) add range
MAGNETO/MAGNUS/MAX EISENHARDT/"ERIC LENSHERR"/"MICHAEL XAVIER"
UX 210 (16:5 - 23:7)
*UX 211 (1 - 9:3) add
X@ 10
NM 45
*UX 211 (9:4 - 22) add range
MIRAGE II/DANIELLE MOONSTAR
UX 211 move here
NM@ 2
X@ 10
NM 45
UX 211 move from here
NM 46
NIGHTCRAWLER/KURT WAGNER
UX 210
*UX 211 (1 - 9:3) add
X@ 10
*UX 211 (9:4 - 22) add range
NM 46
PSYLOCKE/ELIZABETH BRADDOCK II (no change)
From Captain Britain II
NM@ 2
X@ 10
UX 211
ROGUE/ANNA MARIE
UX 210
*UX 211 (1 - 9:3) add
X@ 10
*UX 211 (9:4 - 22) add range
NM 46
SHADOWCAT/KATHERINE "KITTY" PRYDE
NM:WC
*UX 211 (1 - 9:3) add
X@ 10
NM 45
*UX 211 (9:4 - 22) add range
WOLVERINE/"LOGAN"/JAMES HOWLETT
UX 210
*UX 211 (1 - 9:3) add
X@ 10
*UX 211 (9:4 - 22) add range
PP 27
Note: [[[CLICK & DRAG: With the move of NM@ 2 and X@ 10 after the start of the Mutant Massacre, it would be better to move NM 45 (spanning a few days) before NM@ 2.
BRIGHTWIND (no change)
NM:WC
NM 45
UX 211
NM 46-BTS
CANNONBALL/SAMUEL ZACHARY GUTHRIE
NM:WC
*NM 45 move here
NM@ 2-FB
X@ 10
*NM 45 move from here
NM 46
CYPHER/DOUG RAMSEY
NM:WC
*NM 45 move here
NM@ 2 (7)-FB
NM@ 2
X@ 10
*NM 45 move from here
NM 46
MAGIK/ILLYANA RASPUTINA
NM:WC
*NM 45 move here
*UX 211 (1 - 9:3) add
NM@ 2-FB
NM@ 2
X@ 10
*NM 45 move from here
*UX 211 (9:4 - 22) add range
MAGMA/AMARA AQUILLA/ALLISON CRESTMERE
NM:WC
*NM 45 move here
NM@ 2-FB
NM@ 2
X@ 10
*NM 45 move from here
NM 46
MAGNETO/MAGNUS/MAX EISENHARDT/"ERIC LENSHERR"/"MICHAEL XAVIER"
UX 210 (16:5 - 23:7)
*NM 45 move here
*UX 211 (1 - 9:3) add
X@ 10
*NM 45 move from here
*UX 211 (9:4 - 22) add range
MIRAGE II/DANIELLE MOONSTAR
*NM 45 move here
*UX 211 move here
NM@ 2
X@ 10
*NM 45 move from here
*UX 211 move from here
NM 46
SHADOWCAT/KATHERINE "KITTY" PRYDE
NM:WC
*NM 45 move here
*UX 211 (1 - 9:3) add
X@ 10
*NM 45 move from here
*UX 211 (9:4 - 22) add range
SUNSPOT/ROBERTO DA COSTA
NM:WC
*NM 45 move here
NM@ 2-FB
NM@ 2
X@ 10
*NM 45 move from here
NM 46
WARLOCK III [TECHNARCH]
NM:WC
*NM 45 move here
NM@ 2-FB
NM@ 2
X@ 10
*NM 45 move from here
NM 46
WOLFSBANE/RAHNE SINCLAIR
NM:WC
*NM 45 move here
NM@ 2-FB
NM@ 2
X@ 10
*NM 45 move from here
NM 46
]]]
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Re: Nightcrawler in X@ 10
There was a previous topic devoted to this very question.michel wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:13 pm In UX 210, the X-Men save Nightcrawler from a mob he couldn't escape because his power of teleporting was gone.
In UX 211, Kurt tries to teleport but that leaves him weak.
In between, he appears in X@ 10, in which he teleports normally.
I know the Mutant Massacre timeline is a mess and the MCP had a hard time to sort it out, so that's why I'm asking: has this been considered?
Coulnd't UX 210 (17:7 - 20) be placed after X@ 10? UX 210 (21) shouldn't, it's Wolverine and Storm discussing the disappearance of Rachel.
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