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Doomwar

Post by JD » Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:16 am

"DoomWar no.6 (Storm, Deadpool, Gentle, Magneto, Rockslide?, Beast, Professor X, Cyclops, Emma Frost, Sub-Mariner, Wolverine, Colossus)"

Also Anole and maybe Mercury.
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Re: X-Men Watch

Post by Paul Bourcier » Sun Aug 08, 2010 1:04 pm

Anole and Mercury? Where are they? Who's the person to the right of Magneto in the shot of Utopia?
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Re: X-Men Watch

Post by JD » Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:57 pm

Anole is left of Magneto in that very panel, and the redhead girl in Magneto's arms might be Mercury (but I'm not sure, what with the confusing colouring).

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Re: X-Men Watch

Post by Paul Bourcier » Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:22 pm

Isn't that Rockslide to the left of Magneto? And is the person to the right wearing glasses?
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Post by JD » Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:45 pm

Nope, neither his size (smaller than Magneto) nor his head (which looks nothing like Rockslide's and everything like Anole's) fit.

I don't see any glasses on the girl. Another thought, though : is this post-SC ? Redhead, green-ish and yellow costume... maybe this is Hope ?

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Post by Col_Fury » Sun Aug 08, 2010 5:08 pm

Nightcrawler appeared in earlier issues of Doomwar. I haven't read the last couple of issues, so unless there's a gap of time Doomwar must happen before Second Coming.
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Re: X-Men Watch

Post by Paul Bourcier » Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:00 am

My impression has been that DOOMWAR (except the last page of issue #6) occurs during the Dark Reign Era, before Siege. I have Storm and T'Challa in H4 20 after the bulk of DOOMWAR, and the Fall of the Hulks story line occurs during Dark Reign. Is this right?
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Post by Somebody » Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:22 pm

Depends a bit on how FotH/WWHks and Hercules interact. FotH must occur after Hercules' "death" (it's referenced). HERC:FOA must occur after SIEGE (Ares' death is referenced). Since Pym's Mighty Avengers are involved in FotH, that should occur between the two and before Siege. For that to work out okay, Banner's status quo post-FotH must be almost the same as pre-FotH (basically, exactly the same with regard to carrying his forcefield, teleporter, etc; and he must be able to live for significant periods/through significant stress without hulking out). We may find that out in this week's IH 611, or we may need to wait one more issue.

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Re: Doomwar

Post by Col_Fury » Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:16 am

I'm slowly getting caught up in my reading...

So Nightcrawler appears in Doomwar, meaning the miniseries has to occur before Second Coming.

In issue 6 on page 8, Black Panther and Mr. Fantastic contact all of their buddies to see who will help them against Dr. Doom, but they're all busy fighting Doombots. And they don't want to be part of an international incident. Among these buddies are Beast, Professor X, Hank Pym (who's tagged as Ant-Man for some reason), Dr. Strange, Dr. Voodoo... and Tony Stark.

Thanks to Tony Stark, Doomwar has to occur after Siege. Up to Siege, Tony is either getting progressively less brainy or he's in a coma. After Siege, he's just fine.

On the last page of Doomwar #6 we see that Clint is back to being Hawkeye, Steve Rogers is wearing his new Super Patriot suit, and Thor is palling around with Wolverine. All of this is fine post-Siege. And then in Second Coming, Nightcrawler dies and the Avengers (with Thor & Hawkeye on the team) respond to Bastion's big bubble at the Golden Gate Bridge.

So we have Siege -> Doomwar -> Second Coming.

Somebody laid out how Hercules fits with this, and I'm caught up on reading his books, so we're on the same page with that. Now I have to get caught up on reading the Hulk books...
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Re: Doomwar

Post by Somebody » Thu Oct 07, 2010 7:24 am

Col_Fury wrote:Somebody laid out how Hercules fits with this, and I'm caught up on reading his books, so we're on the same page with that. Now I have to get caught up on reading the Hulk books...
Banner's "secret mission", mentioned at the start of H2 612, apparently must include the epilogue to HULK 24, HERC:FOA, HA:POP and the "Scorched Earth" arc of HULK. And, by extension [though he doesn't appear], Siege.

There *IS* a potential problem with Doom though. In H2 609, Doom fries his brain. In FF 583, he's suffering from brain damage as a result of this (and plans to abdicate the Latverian throne to Kristoff as a result, since he doesn't feel he can rule if he isn't super-intelligent, until Valeria promises to fix him in return for his help), the start of an arc that's going to kill one of the FFers and replace them with Spider-Man for a bit.

However, everything else appears to give us FOTH/WWHks -> Siege -> Doomwar -> FF 583.

So he appears in Doomwar while so brain-fried he can't do 301÷30?

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Re: Doomwar

Post by Col_Fury » Thu Oct 07, 2010 7:40 am

She-Hulk appears in FF 579. Wasn't she "killed" way back before HULK 14? Like, a year ago our time? How can all of that fit between FF 579 and FF 583?

Or wait, does FF 579 happen after WWHulks, and then FF 583 directly references WWHulks?

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Re: Doomwar

Post by Somebody » Thu Oct 07, 2010 7:45 am

Col_Fury wrote:She-Hulk appears in FF 579. Wasn't she "killed" way back before HULK 14? Like, a year ago our time? How can all of that fit between FF 579 and FF 583?

Or wait, does FF 579 happen after WWHulks, and then FF 583 directly references WWHulks?

I have no idea about Doom. I should really read those Hulk comics...
Can't say to FF 579, since I haven't read it, but the reference in FF 583 to WWHulks is explicit, involving Doom having flashbacks to being strapped into the Liddleville machine with Reed & Banner.

As for She-Hulk, Jen can't appear anywhere between H2 600 and the end of WWHulks, unless she's floating in a tube on the Intelligencia's salvaged Helicarrier. After that, the implication in H2 612 is that all bar Banner of the "Incredible Hulks" have been sticking together in a (her?) campervan, and she's still wearing her Coipel-style costume leotard while powered down. At the end, Jen's sent off to get Lyra out of the way of any trouble caused by Betty/She-Rulk, and that's the first obvious break for her.

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Re: Doomwar

Post by Col_Fury » Thu Oct 07, 2010 7:50 am

Can Fall of the Hulks be pre-Siege and WWHulks be post-Siege & post-Doomwar?

Pym's Mighty Avengers appear in Fall of the Hulks, but what about WWHulks? Is there a break we can use in there somewhere?
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Re: Doomwar

Post by Michael » Thu Oct 07, 2010 7:51 am

Somebody wrote: So he appears in Doomwar while so brain-fried he can't do 301÷30?
Maybe we should use the "he recovered and had a relapse" excuse.

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Post by Somebody » Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:07 am

Col_Fury wrote:Can Fall of the Hulks be pre-Siege and WWHulks be post-Siege & post-Doomwar?
Not at all. Things go:

Fall of the Hulks:
H2 608/HULK 21/FOTH:S-H 2 - Banner and a load of Avengers launch an assault on the Golden Helicarrier, while the F4 and X-Men also arrive separately. Rulk is captured and used to power a ray that Rulks out a load of "A.I.Marines", along with the Avengers, X-Men and F4 (less the geniuses strapped into the machine). Banner punches Lyra through multiple floors so she can free Jen without being suspected, but while Jen's recovering, they're attacked by She-Rulk and thrown out of the Helicarrier. Banner's captured and plugged into the brain-draining Liddleville machine

World War Hulks:
HULK 22/H2 609-610/FOTH:S-H 3 - Rulk is weakened, and defeated by She-Rulk, who defeats him and drains him to reveal himself as Tbolt Ross, "her father". Skaar, A-Bomb, Korg, Jen & Lyra fight the AIMarines & Rulked Out Heroes on the ground. Meanwhile, Banner & Doom escape, but Doom's too hasty and fries his brain. Skaar & She-Rulk both make it into the room with Banner at this point, and Skaar stabs She-Rulk, who reverts to Betty. Betty's ready to die rather than Rulk out, but Samson winds her up and forces her to. She jumps out to join the other She-Hulks on the ground. Banner, Samson & the geniuses - including the Rulked-out Amadeus Cho, who reveals that those Rulked-out in H2 608/HULK 21 are "going to die of total physiological meltdown within 24 hours" - reverse the process as Banner & Samson absorb the energy from everyone, reverting them to normal but killing Samson and causing Banner to Hulk out once more.

H2 611 - A recorded message from Banner tells everyone else (who are just standing there in their ripped costumes/etc) to back off and let Skaar kill the Hulk. Skaar's finally shaken out of it when he sees the Hulk save a hotel full of people, even though Skaar's whaling on him. As a result Skaar just says he's done and gives up control to "puny"/"Kid"/"Banner" Skaar.
Col_Fury wrote:Pym's Mighty Avengers appear in Fall of the Hulks, but what about WWHulks? Is there a break we can use in there somewhere?
Not really. While I shoved FotH:Rulk 2-4 between pages of H2 607 (awkwardly), Pym's been captured by that point, and he's captured from his "Infinite Mansion".
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Somebody wrote:So he appears in Doomwar while so brain-fried he can't do 301÷30?
Maybe we should use the "he recovered and had a relapse" excuse.
We ARE talking about brain damage here. You'd be better off saying it was a Doombot in Doomwar if we need to reach for that sort of excuse.

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