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miscellaneous minor misplacements part 3

Post by michel » Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:04 pm

1) For the Black Widow, M/TU 82-85 is before her BTS appearance in DD 159 : Bullseye reads on front page of the Daily Bugle the Widow is back in New York, and decides to target her. That makes sense : the Widow was brainwashed by Viper on a mission in the Far East, and recovers her memories in New York. For Daredevil, DD 159 is before CA 250, he makes there a one-panel cameo appearance when he learns in a newspaper Cap's candidacy for the presidence of the USA. So does Spider-Man, he doesn't meet DD but he learns the news the same day. And for Spider-Man, CA 250 is way before M/TU 82-85.

To solve this, we can move CA 250 cameo appearance either for Daredevil or for Spider-Man. The moving is much smaller for Daredevil :

DAREDEVIL/MATT MICHAEL MURDOCK
A 191
DD 159
M/FAN 23
CA 250
M/TIO 69
DD 160

SPIDER-MAN/PETER BENJAMIN PARKER
M/TU 95
CA 250
ASM@ 13
PPTSS@ 1
M/TIO 69
PPTSS 38-40
ASM 201-202
PPTSS 41
ASM 203
DAZZ 1-2
PPTSS 42
FF 218
ASM 204-205
PPTSS 43
ASM 206
M/TU 79
M/TU 82-85
S-W 26

But : there's also a problem with M/FAN 23, the second part of an Iron Man vs Dr. Octopus story. For Octopus, M/FAN 22-23 is after ASM@ 13 / PPTSS@ 1.

DOCTOR OCTOPUS/OTTO OCTAVIUS
SM/DO:NE 5
DD2 69-FB
ASM@ 13
PPTSS@ 1
M/FAN 22
M/FAN 23

A 195-BTS

For Spider-Man, as seen above, CA 250 is before ASM@ 13. And for Iron Man, CA 250 is after M/FAN 22-23.

IRON MAN/ANTHONY EDWARD "TONY" STARK
A 191
M/FAN 22
M/FAN 23

A 192
A 193
ALIAS 26-FB
A 194
A 195
A 196
A 197
CA 250
A 197

To sum up :

M/FAN 22-23 (Iron Man, Captain America cameo, Daredevil)
|
CA 250 (Captain America, Iron Man, Spider-Man cameo, Daredevil cameo)
|
ASM@ 13 - PPTSS@ 1 (Spider-Man, Dr. Octopus)
|
M/FAN 22-23 (Dr. Octopus)

It's just CA 250 position for Spider-Man that makes the problem, but how do we move it :

a) we move it far away after M/TU 82-85, but we don't touch Daredevil's chronology ?

b) we move it just after PPTSS@ 1 in Spidey's chronology, and move M/FAN 23 and CA 250 before DD 159 in Daredevil's chronology ?

2) Jarvis makes a phone call to Captain America in CA 253. They meet in H2 258. But it's not in the same order for them :

CAPTAIN AMERICA/STEVEN "GRANT" ROGERS
A 206
DAZZ 2
FF 220
DD 164
CA 251 (1 - 18:2)
CA 252-FB
CA 251 (18:3 - 22:4)
CA 252
H@ 11
CA 253
CA 254 (1 - 21)
M/CP 42/3-FB
CA 254 (22)
CA 256
CA 257
CA 255
MICRO 28
H2 258
M/TIO 75
A 207

Proposed chronology :

JARVIS, EDWIN
A 206
IM 137
* CA 253 moved here
H2 257
H2 258
* CA 253 moved from here

M/TIO 75
A 207

3) For Spider-Woman, A@ 10 is in between S-W 40 and 41, but for Lieutenant Sabrina Morrell, it's in between S-W 41 and 42. I checked the books, I see Morrell in A@ 10 but can't find her in S-W 41, am I missing her or is it a mistake ?

4) Tony Stark doesn't appear in the main M/PRM 47 story, but in a FB. It seems correctly placed.

IRON MAN/ANTHONY EDWARD "TONY" STARK
A 177
KS
T 270
T 271
* M/PRM 47-FB FB added
CA 218
IM 113

5) Jack Russell appears in the Werewolf's back-story of M/PRM 59, not in the Dr Who's main story. Lisa Russell is correctly listed in M/PRM 59/2

WEREWOLF/JACK RUSSELL
S-W 32
GR2 55
* M/PRM 59/2 was M/PRM 59
COC 1

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Re: miscellaneous minor misplacements part 3

Post by Michael » Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:56 pm

michel wrote:1) For the Black Widow, M/TU 82-85 is before her BTS appearance in DD 159 : Bullseye reads on front page of the Daily Bugle the Widow is back in New York, and decides to target her. That makes sense : the Widow was brainwashed by Viper on a mission in the Far East, and recovers her memories in New York. For Daredevil, DD 159 is before CA 250, he makes there a one-panel cameo appearance when he learns in a newspaper Cap's candidacy for the presidence of the USA. So does Spider-Man, he doesn't meet DD but he learns the news the same day. And for Spider-Man, CA 250 is way before M/TU 82-85.

To solve this, we can move CA 250 cameo appearance either for Daredevil or for Spider-Man. The moving is much smaller for Daredevil :

DAREDEVIL/MATT MICHAEL MURDOCK
A 191
DD 159
M/FAN 23
CA 250
M/TIO 69
DD 160

SPIDER-MAN/PETER BENJAMIN PARKER
M/TU 95
CA 250
ASM@ 13
PPTSS@ 1
M/TIO 69
PPTSS 38-40
ASM 201-202
PPTSS 41
ASM 203
DAZZ 1-2
PPTSS 42
FF 218
ASM 204-205
PPTSS 43
ASM 206
M/TU 79
M/TU 82-85
S-W 26
The question of where to place CA 250 in Peter's, Robbie's and Jonah's chronologies is a tricky one. It was discussed here:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5175
Basically, the problem is- if we put CA 250 after ASM 197, what's Robbie doing at the Bugle?
michel wrote:But : there's also a problem with M/FAN 23, the second part of an Iron Man vs Dr. Octopus story. For Octopus, M/FAN 22-23 is after ASM@ 13 / PPTSS@ 1.

DOCTOR OCTOPUS/OTTO OCTAVIUS
SM/DO:NE 5
DD2 69-FB
ASM@ 13
PPTSS@ 1
M/FAN 22
M/FAN 23

A 195-BTS

For Spider-Man, as seen above, CA 250 is before ASM@ 13. And for Iron Man, CA 250 is after M/FAN 22-23.

IRON MAN/ANTHONY EDWARD "TONY" STARK
A 191
M/FAN 22
M/FAN 23

A 192
A 193
ALIAS 26-FB
A 194
A 195
A 196
A 197
CA 250
A 197

To sum up :

M/FAN 22-23 (Iron Man, Captain America cameo, Daredevil)
|
CA 250 (Captain America, Iron Man, Spider-Man cameo, Daredevil cameo)
|
ASM@ 13 - PPTSS@ 1 (Spider-Man, Dr. Octopus)
|
M/FAN 22-23 (Dr. Octopus)

It's just CA 250 position for Spider-Man that makes the problem, but how do we move it :

a) we move it far away after M/TU 82-85, but we don't touch Daredevil's chronology ?

b) we move it just after PPTSS@ 1 in Spidey's chronology, and move M/FAN 23 and CA 250 before DD 159 in Daredevil's chronology ?
Paul and I discussed the placement of M/FAN 22-23 here:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5248
The problem was that Ward's Avengers Index 4 placed M/FAN 22-23 before DD 165, which made no sense, since Ock got the adamantium arms he uses to defeat Iron Man in the Fanfare issues in DD 165. Paul and I agreed that M/FAN 22-23 need to be moved.
michel wrote:3) For Spider-Woman, A@ 10 is in between S-W 40 and 41, but for Lieutenant Sabrina Morrell, it's in between S-W 41 and 42. I checked the books, I see Morrell in A@ 10 but can't find her in S-W 41, am I missing her or is it a mistake ?
It's probably a mistake- I don't have S-W 41 in front of me but Ward's Avengers Index 4 lists Morrell as appearing in A@ 10 in between S-W 40 and 42.

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Re: miscellaneous minor misplacements part 3

Post by michel » Sat Mar 05, 2011 4:05 pm

Michael wrote:The question of where to place CA 250 in Peter's, Robbie's and Jonah's chronologies is a tricky one. It was discussed here:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5175
Basically, the problem is- if we put CA 250 after ASM 197, what's Robbie doing at the Bugle?
A tricky one indeed. If I understand well, both M/PRM 49 and CA 250 shouldn't be between ASM 196 (Robbie announces he quits) and ASM 207 (Jonah's back to work). But to move them before ASM 196 would imply too much changes in former indexes statements, so they stay here and we say for unknown reasons, Jonah and Robbie could work together fine twice in the forbidden period. Is that correct ?

Michael wrote:Paul and I discussed the placement of M/FAN 22-23 here:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5248
The problem was that Ward's Avengers Index 4 placed M/FAN 22-23 before DD 165, which made no sense, since Ock got the adamantium arms he uses to defeat Iron Man in the Fanfare issues in DD 165. Paul and I agreed that M/FAN 22-23 need to be moved.
Your proposition looks fine, I've got some more work to do to be able to confirm it. I'll get back to you

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Re: miscellaneous minor misplacements part 3

Post by Michael » Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:20 pm

michel wrote:A tricky one indeed. If I understand well, both M/PRM 49 and CA 250 shouldn't be between ASM 196 (Robbie announces he quits) and ASM 207 (Jonah's back to work). But to move them before ASM 196 would imply too much changes in former indexes statements, so they stay here and we say for unknown reasons, Jonah and Robbie could work together fine twice in the forbidden period. Is that correct ?
Yeah, that's correct.

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Re: miscellaneous minor misplacements part 3

Post by loki » Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:17 am

Michael wrote:Basically, the problem is- if we put CA 250 after ASM 197, what's Robbie doing at the Bugle?
Working out his statutory notice period? :mrgreen:

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