Ghost Rider chronology correction

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Ghost Rider chronology correction

Post by Paul Bourcier » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:23 pm

Johnny Blaze's chronology goes:
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MTW 2
GR3 39
SOV 12
SOV 11
NS 10
...

I believe SOV 11 needs to be moved to a spot between MTW 2 and GR3 39 to be consistent with Danny Ketch's chronology. Is that right?
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Re: Ghost Rider chronology correction

Post by Paul Bourcier » Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:41 pm

Also an error in Clara Menninger's chronology:
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SOV 16
*BLAZE:LOB 1 [move from here]
SOV 20
*BLAZE: LOB 1 [move to here]
SOV 21
...

This move will make her chronology consistent with others.
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Re: Ghost Rider chronology correction

Post by Paul Bourcier » Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:48 pm

On the other hand, the out-of-order placement of SOV 11 after SOV 12 in Blaze's chronology just might make sense. In SOV 10, the Quentin Carnival destroyed and the survivors are left to bury their friends who were killed. The story continues in GR3 39, in which the survivors feel bad about having to leave their deceased friends in the hands of the Army. The story continues further in SOV 12, in which the survivors infiltrate the Army-occupied site of the Quentin Carnival, where the corpses of their friends are in body bags. SOV 11 appears to occur out of order, as it features only Blaze and Ghost Rider and none of the other carnival survivors, and no mention is made of the events above. Guest writer Larry Hama subbed on SOV 11, a break for regular writer Howard Mackie, another clue that SOV 11 is a fill-in.

So Blaze's chronology starts to make sense:
...
SOV 10
MTW 2
GR3 39
SOV 12
SOV 11
...
Except that MTW 2 doesn't belong here. In MTW 2, Blaze and Ghost Rider are in Rhode Island. In the arc above, everyone's in New Jersey.

But when we see Dan Ketch's chronology, things get worse:
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SOV 10
NS 7
M/CP 123/3
M/CP 124/3
M/CP 125/3
M/CP 126/3
M/CP 127/3
M/CP 128/3
M/CP 129/3
M/CP 130/3
MTW 2
SR 2
FF 374
SOV 11
PWJ 57
PWJ 58
TER 13
MSU 2/4
GR3 39
SOV 12
...
Not only do MTW 2 and SOV 11 occur between SOV 10 and GR3 39, but a whole bunch of other stuff does too! Was the Army really keeping the victims of the Quentin Carnival in body bags in a tent all that time? Did Blaze and Ghost Rider really wait that long to follow up on the Quentin Carnival tragedy?

Any ideas?

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Re: Ghost Rider chronology corrections

Post by Paul Bourcier » Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:35 am

And here's another correction...

In SOV 19, Blaze thinks, "...with the storm I've been in, what's 'home' mean anymore?" There's an editor's note that says, "Check the Siege of Darkness & the Blaze limited series." That means that all the the Siege of Darkness issues and Blaze: Legacy of Blood #1-4 occur before SOV 19. However, BLAZE:LOB 1-4 are placed between SOV 20-21 in the MCP.

Also, Blaze is on the other end of the phone on the last page of DHOLD 14. That counts as a BTS and needs to be added to his MCP listing.

I propose the following changes to Blaze's chronology:
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SOV 16
*DHOLD 14-BTS [add]
NS 14
GR3 44
M/CP 143
DHOLD 15
MORBIUS 16
M/CP 144
DRSTR3 60
SOV 17
NS 15
GR3 45
M/CP 146
DRSTR3 61
SOV 18
MSU 4
*BLAZE:LOB 1 (move to here)
*BLAZE:LOB 2 (move to here)
*BLAZE:LOB 3 (move to here)
*BLAZE:LOB 4 (move to here)
SOV 19
SOV 20
MSU 5/2
*BLAZE:LOB 1 (move from here)
*BLAZE:LOB 2 (move from here)
*BLAZE:LOB 3 (move from here)
*BLAZE:LOB 4 (move from here)
SOV 21
...

This also involves a correction for Quinn's chronology:

QUINN [change to MCINTYRE, QUINN]
...
SOV 12
SOV 15
*BLAZE:LOB 3 [move to here]
SOV 20
*BLAZE:LOB 3 [move from here]
SOV 21
SOV 22

And also for Seer:
...
M/CP 146
*SOV 19-BTS [move from here]
BLAZE:LOB 1
BLAZE:LOB 2
BLAZE:LOB 3
BLAZE:LOB 4
*SOV 19-BTS [move to here]

For Kodiak Kody and Wolf II:
...
SOV 16
*SOV 20 [move from here]
BLAZE:LOB 1
BLAZE:LOB 3
*SOV 20 [move to here]
SOV 21
...

As it turns out, Clara Menninger's chronology is actually correct:
...
SOV 16
BLAZE:LOB 1
SOV 20
...
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Re: Ghost Rider chronology correction

Post by Paul Bourcier » Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:18 am

In addition, Craig and Emma Blaze are bts in Regent's stronghold in BLAZE:LOB 3. So for both:
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BLAZE:LOB 2
*BLAZE:LOB 3-BTS [add}
BLAZE:LOB 4
...
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Re: Ghost Rider chronology correction

Post by Paul Bourcier » Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:32 pm

And a correction for Quinn's chronology:

MCINTYRE, QUINN [changed from QUINN]
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SOV 21
*SOV 22 [delete]
*SOV 23 [add]
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Re: Ghost Rider chronology correction

Post by Paul Bourcier » Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:52 pm

Bump. Anyone care to comment on any of this? Especially the placement of SOV 11, which has an immediate impact on the Index?
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Re: Ghost Rider chronology correction

Post by Paul Bourcier » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:46 pm

We're deciding on the following revision to the chronology of Ghost Rider (Ketch), unless someone has a better solution:
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GR3 38
M/HOL 1993/5 [might go elsewhere based on calendar analysis, but I don't have enough data]
*SOV 9 [move from here]
*SOV 10 [move from here]
NS 7
M/CP 123/3
M/CP 124/3
M/CP 125/3
M/CP 126/3
M/CP 127/3
M/CP 128/3
M/CP 129/3
M/CP 130/3
MTW 2
SR 2
FF 374
*SOV 11 [move from here]
PWJ 57
PWJ 58
TER 13
MSU 2/4
*SOV 9 [move to here]
*SOV 10 [move to here]
GR3 39
SOV 12
*SOV 11 [move to here]
MCP 131/3
...
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Re: Ghost Rider chronology correction

Post by JLH » Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:22 pm

Paul Bourcier wrote:We're deciding on the following revision to the chronology of Ghost Rider (Ketch), unless someone has a better solution:
Looks good to me. I seem to recall I once suggested moving SOV 9 & 10 nearer to GR3 39, since the stories make it clear everything in those books are happening so close to one another.

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Re: Ghost Rider chronology correction

Post by Paul Bourcier » Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:19 pm

So let it be written, so let it be done. Thanks.
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