Jeph! wrote
UXM #309 also fairly explicitly states that it was Xavier's recent encounters with Magnus and Amahl Farouk that gave him the idea to invent a mutant-detecting device (Cerebro) in hopes of gathering and protecting mutants. Both of those meetings happened **after** "First X-Men"...
Yes, I agree.
Col. Fury wrote
Yep. He's going over the notes for Cerebro before he returns to the States. Amelia finds out what the notes are for and freaks out. She reveals she's a mutant (she thinks Xavier sought her out just becase she's a mtuant), he reveals he's a mutant and she calms down (a little, anyway).
Yes, I agree.
Col. Fury wrote
UX 309 also says that Amelia has been trying to talk Xavier out of searching for other mutants for months (while living with him in his house, part of which was seen in X -1). She's completely opposed to drawing public attention to mutants, and doesn't like the idea of gathering them together. The last straw for her was when Cyclops spent his first night in Xavier's house (Xavier had already been helping Jean by this point, referenced in UX 309, but she was staying in her own house, not Xavier's), so Amelia moved out that night and left Xavier behind.
Yes, I agree.
Col. Fury wrote
Nope. The day Cyclops moves into Xavier's house, Amelia moves out. She's against gathering mutants together, and not helping Xavier gather them. After moving into his house she spent months trying to talk Xavier OUT OF searching for and gathering other mutants to train.
No, I don't agree. It specifically says she helped him create lists of mutants to train, even if she was trying to talk him out of it. and thank you for pointing it out with this quote.
Jeph! wrote
(Though, in fairness to Jason, UXM #309 does state that Amelia helps Charles make lists of mutants to offer training to, though she's opposed to his plan of actually gathering them under one roof. That's what Jason's referring to when he says "he and she search for mutants to train.")
Col. Fury wrote
If Xavier had a "school" sign in his front yard, even if it's symbolic, before ever meeting Amelia, Amelia wouldn't have moved in to Xavier's house.
I never said that the sign stayed there as a permanent fixture and since we don't see it again after he planted it, what she would have done is speculation. I only know what she did on panel.
Col. Fury wrote
Speaking of Cyclops moving in to Xavier's house, UX 42/2 only describes it as "a country mansion." Cyclops repeats Xavier's (unseen) INTENTION to form a group of mutants, and Cyclops will be the first member, if he agrees. Later, Cyclops thinks to himself that he believes in Xavier's goal. No mention of a school.
In UX 46/2, Iceman's parents agree to let Iceman be a student at Xavier's "special school."
Just going by the Silver Age comics, it looks like Xavier turned his house into a school after the Cyclops origin backups (UX 38/2-44/2) and before the Iceman origin backups (UX 44/2-46/2).
Yes I agree, this would be the point when the Estate officially becomes the School.
Col. Fury wrote
UX 309-FB works nicely around UX 44/2. Cyclops moves in, Amelia moves out. With Amelia out of the picture Xavier turns his house into a school (this is where I think the last page of FXM 5 should go). Then in UX 46/2, it's already a school.
Yes, I agree, with the exception of this is where the last page of FXM 5 should go.
Col. Fury wrote
Right. Xavier's already training Jean Grey at this point, which UX 309-FB references. But Amelia doesn't want them gathered in one spot, and she's been trying to talk Xavier out of the idea the whole time, even as they've been putting the list together.
I agree.
Col. Fury wrote
But hey, Xavier put a sign in front of his house that says "Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters" before his legs were crushed and he met Amelia, his physical therapist. Amelia, who is opposed to the idea of gathering mutants in one place, moves in to Xavier's house, which has this sign in front that basically says "I gather mutants in one place." Amelia should have no problem with that!
As I said to Jeph! Since we don't see the sign on panel after he planted it, what she would do is speculation. It's a prop used to emphasize what Xavier plans to do in the future not a permanent fixture.
Col. Fury wrote
Sure, Xavier could have the idea of turning his house into a school while Amelia was living there (and he probably did), but I just can't see there being a sign in front of his house that says "School" before or while she's living there.
I know you are reiterating your point about the sign, and I've already addressed it.
Col. Fury wrote
I know that every time I have an idea, I plant an engraved sign in my front yard to really drive home the point I'm making to the person I'm talking to. My mom is really proud of me every time I have an idea, and put that idea on a sign in front of my house. I have 42 different signs on my lawn right now, representing all of the ideas I intend to eventually get around to doing one day.
Funny.
Col Fury wrote
The sign's not what's important? Don't tell me you're ignoring what's visibly shown…
Not at all. The scene in question shows him physically planting the sign, he did it. It is shown on panel.
Col Fury wrote
Well, I'm arguing that that's what the last page of FXM 5 says.
Fair enough, and thank you for typing out the exchange between Xavier and some dude.
Col. Fury typed up
Some Dude wrote:
God rest her soul, your mother would be SO PROUD to see this. Not that she wouldn't be proud of your EDUCATION, of course, or your military service. But using the family fortune to GIVE BACK was her true passion. Still, I feel I must ask… this will be a SIGNIFICANT investment, Charles. Are you sure this is what you want?
Charles Xavier wrote:
Quite sure. I'll admit, there were times I had doubts. But now I realize I was being selfish. Untrue to mother… and myself. Edmund Burke said all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. It's time for me to do SOMETHING.
Yes, the person speaking to him is very familiar with Xavier and his family as Jeph! has suggested. A relative? a close confidant? a person who has been handling the estate? The scene does not say, so "Some Dude" works for me. He specifically says that "THIS WILL BE a significant investment. and asks "Are you SURE this is what you want?" So
to me this means it has not happened yet.
Xavier is "quite sure" that this is what he is going to do, because he must do something.
To me, he is definitely planing on opening a school, but like I suggested. It just didn't happen until a later point. The next time I believe we would see him is his "Good Sheppard" role in Vietnam, which would match up with the other characters foreshadowed in the final scenes of FXM.
Col. Fury wrote
To me, that really sounds like he's starting the process of using the family fortune to turn his house into a school right then and there. He doesn't say "It's time for me to do SOMETHING… eventually. After a vacation!" No, he just says "It's time for me to do SOMETHING." Meaning, now is the time to turn my house in to a school. NOW.
That is a fair assumption to make. I agree "he's starting the process of using the family fortune to turn his house into a school right then and there." The difference is that, by there, I mean at the point at which the other characters appear in the story, and did not finish this process. The "vacation" would come after he is out of the military. What happened between here and his involvement in Vietnam is not shown on panel.
I'm of the firm belief that the author's intent, was to have these events take place not long after the conclusion of the main story. And the wording and props shown in the scenes are meant to foreshadow future events.
Nothing I've suggested contradicts what comes after. Marvel Comics come out every week imparting new scenes and so long as they don't completely contradict established facts, we should make an effort to place them where the author intended.
To argue the points about other errors, I think we should have a visual representation of them.