First appearance of Earth-616?

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First appearance of Earth-616?

Post by wolframbane » Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:35 pm

I know that FF 1 (Nov 1961) is considered the first MODERN appearance of Earth-616 and the Marvel Universe. But does anyone know what issue published by Timely/Atlas/Marvel could be considered the first ACTUAL appearance? Where there any issues published prior to Marvel Comics #1 (Oct 1939) that contained characters that are definatively considered part of modern Marvel continuity?

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Re: First appearance of Earth-616?

Post by Col_Fury » Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:13 am

Motion Pictures Funnies Weekly was published before Marvel Comics #1, and contained the first appearance of Namor. It was then reprinted & expanded on in the third story in Marvel Comics #1.
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Re: First appearance of Earth-616?

Post by ShadZ » Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:27 pm

Col_Fury wrote:Motion Pictures Funnies Weekly was published before Marvel Comics #1, and contained the first appearance of Namor.
Some may argue that literary works that have been adopted into Earth-616 (like Dracula and Frankenstein) may count as earlier examples. I would disagree, because none of them have been brought in unadulterated; they have all been adapted in some way or another...
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Re: First appearance of Earth-616?

Post by wolframbane » Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:05 pm

Even some pulp era characters have been brought in. For example, Ka-Zar first appeared in a series of novels from 1936.

I was curious if there were any characters in the canon MU that precede Sub-Mariner in Timely Comics?

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Re: First appearance of Earth-616?

Post by Adamant » Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:21 pm

The first Namor story was first printed in MPCW#!, which predated Marvel Comics #1, but was never really published.
The first Ka-Zar pulp novel was adapted in the first few issues of Marvel Mystery Comics, and Ka-Zar met the Torch in one story, so it counts too.
Bram Stoker's Dracula is canon to the Marvel universe, and is even older.

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Re: First appearance of Earth-616?

Post by rhod » Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:19 pm

Not sure what the point of this thread is, but just to add to it, God was in a recent issue of FF, and I think his first published appearance was a good while before even Dracula. :hmmm:
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Re: First appearance of Earth-616?

Post by Starman » Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:18 pm

Well, then I probably can add that the Egyptian gods first publications probably predates the first publications of the god from Judaism, Christianity and Islam. :outtahere:
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Re: First appearance of Earth-616?

Post by PopularLoser » Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:37 pm

What about Odin and the other gods from Norse Mythology?

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Re: First appearance of Earth-616?

Post by ChastMastr » Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:23 pm

Ah, but (regardless of one's beliefs about them) none of those deities has shown up as a character in the MU without being changed any more than Dracula, etc., so... :-P

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Re: First appearance of Earth-616?

Post by Enda80 » Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:32 pm

Issues of Master of Kung-Fu actually footnote reference at least two of Sax Rohmer's Fu Manchu novels. In contrast to their Conan adaptations, MVL did not actually do full-fledged direct adaptations of individual Fu Manchu novels. Therefore, Rohmer's Fu Manchu novels may count as Earth-616 canon.

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