UTOPIA to SIEGE

[Col_Fury]

Good find!

[Russ Chappell]

In the spine above, MA 34 is before FF 570.

In Thing's chronology, FF 570 is before T 604.

In Thor's chronology, T 604 is before MA 34.

This yields: MA 34 -> FF 570 -> T 604 -> MA 34.

Is that a problem?

[Col_Fury]

Yeah, potentially. Give be a bit to look into it.

[Col_Fury]

FF 570 is going to have to be moved for the Thing:

THING II/BENJAMIN J. GRIMM
…
MK7 1
*[FF 570] (move from here)
T 604
[BP5 11]
*[FF 570] (move to here)
[HA:OML 3]
…

[Russ Chappell]

BP5 7-12
DOOMWAR 1-6
HERC 129-137

Per this discussion and Wolverine's chronology, DOOMWAR 6 must occur much later, after SIEGE.

[Somebody]

I'm looking at that thread, and the order that seemed to come out of it was IM5 24 (1-23) -> Doomwar #6 ("except the last page of issue #6") -> Fall of the Hulks/World War Hulks -> Siege -> "last page of issue #6".

Which this is basically cromulent with.

[Col_Fury]

Right. Because of Nightcrawler, DOOMWAR has to happen before Second Coming, and given references in Black Panther's series leading up to DOOMWAR and in DOOMWAR, DOOMWAR happens pretty much directly after Black Panther #12.

And then the last page of DOOMWAR 6 happens much later, after SIEGE.

Wolverine's current chronology reflects this.

[Russ Chappell]

W:WX 6-9
BP5 7-12
DOOMWAR 1-6
HERC 129-137
Vengeance of Moon Knight 1-7
FF 570-574
Assault on New Olympus
HERC 138-141
ASM 615-623
JACKPOT 1-3
DPOOL4 19-21
AvsATLAS 1-4
IM5 14-20
H2 604-611 / red HULK 19-24

According to War Machine's chronology, DOOMWAR 5 follows IM5 24, yet here we have DOOMWAR 5 prior to IM5 14. Is this a problem? Or does IM5 21-24 take place before IM5 14-20?

[Col_Fury]

Tony Stark appears in the main portion of DOOMWAR 6, so IM5 14-24 have to happen before DOOMWAR. I've moved it in the list, and these are the changes that result from it:

CAPTAIN AMERICA VII/JAMES BUCHANAN BARNES
…
DARKA@ 1
*[AVSATLAS 1] (move from here)
*[AVSATLAS 4] (move from here)
IM5 17
IM5 19
[IM5 20]
[IM5 21]
[IM5 22]
*[AVSATLAS 1] (move to here)
*[AVSATLAS 4] (move to here)
[FOH:G]
…

THOR/"DR. DONALD BLAKE"/"SIGURD JARLSON"/"JAKE OLSON"/"LOREN OLSON"
…
T@2 1
MA 34
*[IM5 21] (move to here)
[IHRC 134]
[IHRC 136]
[WOSM2 8]
*[IM5 21] (move from here)
[H2 607]
…

Good catch!

[Russ Chappell]

H2 604-611 / red HULK 19-24
WWHulks
ASM 624-637
TB 138-140
Siege: Cabal
SIEGE

We have Doctor Strange appearing behind-the-scenes in the flashback in ASM 627 after A4 1, which occurs after SIEGE.

ASM 627 -> ASM 628 -> SIEGE -> A4 1 -> ASM 627-fb

Is this a problem?

[Col_Fury]

Yeah, probably. Give me a bit to look into it, though.

[Russ Chappell]

I'm not seeing a flashback in ASM 627 that could accommodate a BTS from Doctor Strange. There are rehashbacks to Spidey's previous battles with Juggernaut, but that's it.

Wong appears, mentioning that Strange is "on another call," which could be interpreted as BTS, I suppose, but it's not a flashback.

I'm going to tentatively remove the FB and place the BTS prior to SIEGE, until I hear back from you. For the record, it was originally between A4 1 and H2 619-FB.

[Col_Fury]

I'm not seeing any reason why ASM 627 would have to happen after SIEGE for Doctor Strange, but I am seeing reasons for ASM 624-637 to be before SIEGE for Spider-Man.

Moving ASM 627-BTS to before Girl Comics #2/6 as you did for Doctor Strange looks like the best bet. Yay!

[StrayLamb]

While working on the Secret Invasion to Utopia list, i've noticed a few items which should be included in Utopia to Siege, but are absent..

This grouping needs to go somewhere between XFOR3 12-25 / C3 13-15 & BP5 7-12..

GRS:HOF 1 - 6
DRV 1 - 5
T 603
T:FINALE
T 604 - 606
T@2 1