SECRET WARS #9
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SECRET WARS #9
...Oh boy is Secret Wars #9 going to cause some difficulties. (CRYPTIC SPOILERS AHEAD.) It's *kind of* a cosmic reset button going all the way back to NA3 1, but also kind of not; some characters remember everything, and the implication is that most not-Incursion-related things from that point up to, say, S-W5 9 or so happened pretty much the same way.
(One can of worms this opens up: without the Incursions, how would Infinity and its consequences have happened?)
A lesser implication: the "eight months later" of ANAD Marvel now might be eight months after NA3 1...!
(One can of worms this opens up: without the Incursions, how would Infinity and its consequences have happened?)
A lesser implication: the "eight months later" of ANAD Marvel now might be eight months after NA3 1...!
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They wouldn't have.Clive Reston wrote:without the Incursions, how would Infinity and its consequences have happened?
Now that Secret Wars #9 is out, I can start getting caught up on my reading again. Eventually.
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Well, here's what Brevoort & Hickman had to say about the "NA3 1" scene in their CBR interview. Caution: It doesn't actually help that much. They're not even sure which ****ing GEM it was. They certainly don't give a straight answer "about what exactly [that guy] did near the end of the story"Clive_Reston wrote:...Oh boy is Secret Wars #9 going to cause some difficulties. (CRYPTIC SPOILERS AHEAD.) It's *kind of* a cosmic reset button going all the way back to NA3 1, but also kind of not; some characters remember everything, and the implication is that most not-Incursion-related things from that point up to, say, S-W5 9 or so happened pretty much the same way.
(One can of worms this opens up: without the Incursions, how would Infinity and its consequences have happened?)
A lesser implication: the "eight months later" of ANAD Marvel now might be eight months after NA3 1...!
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That leaves three basic options:
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I think it's clear that before we start with ANAD, we need to decide whether the new timeline starts with NA3 1, or if it is a new timeline , that appears to be like that. I'm wondering if we're gonna get some answers on the Black Panther ongoing...
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Marvel has been very clear that it's the same Marvel Universe after Secret Wars that it was before Secret Wars. Sana Amanat (Marvel editor) went on late night TV last week (January 5, on Late Night with Seth Meyers) and said VERY CLEARLY it's the same universe with the same history. That part's not a question.
As for the Black Panther/NA3 1 thing (which I haven't read yet), it's clear from current, post-Secret Wars books that INFINITY still happened, which is after NA3 1. From that alone, it seems pretty obvious things didn't get rewritten or anything from NA3 1 forward.
Somebody's "basic option three" really does seem like the simplest, least damaging solution. If the comic doesn't say which Gem it was, I say go with that.
Until we learn otherwise, of course.
As for the Black Panther/NA3 1 thing (which I haven't read yet), it's clear from current, post-Secret Wars books that INFINITY still happened, which is after NA3 1. From that alone, it seems pretty obvious things didn't get rewritten or anything from NA3 1 forward.
Somebody's "basic option three" really does seem like the simplest, least damaging solution. If the comic doesn't say which Gem it was, I say go with that.
Until we learn otherwise, of course.
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One thing to note: in Captain America: Sam Wilson 2, Maria Hill mentioned the incursions to a crowd of people and nobody acted like they didn't know what she was talking about. So clearly the general populace remembers SOMETHING about the incursions.
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Re: SECRET WARS #9
Fury,
Is there anything to suggest that you can only use one gem at a time? Couldn't you just use them all together?
Michael,
Perhaps they do remember it, although it didn't happen. Reconstructing the multiverse is gonna have some mistakes... Isn't it?
Is there anything to suggest that you can only use one gem at a time? Couldn't you just use them all together?
Michael,
Perhaps they do remember it, although it didn't happen. Reconstructing the multiverse is gonna have some mistakes... Isn't it?
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Again, I haven't read the comic yet. I'm going off what people are describing, and it sounds like only one Gem was used.
You would think using more than one Gem at a time would be more efficient (Thanos had fun using all six at once back in the '90s), but maybe using more than one at a time breaks a normal person's mind? Or something? *shrug*
You would think using more than one Gem at a time would be more efficient (Thanos had fun using all six at once back in the '90s), but maybe using more than one at a time breaks a normal person's mind? Or something? *shrug*
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This may have been negated/retconned at some point, but after Infinity Gauntlet, didn't the Living Tribunal rule that multiple gems could no longer be used at the same time, specifically because of Thanos?Col_Fury wrote:You would think using more than one Gem at a time would be more efficient (Thanos had fun using all six at once back in the '90s),
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Secret Wars #9, is pretty clear that all the universes are being created and recreated by Franklin Richards and Reed who is infused with power by the Molecule Man. While all that came before did, Isn't this an all new creation known as The Prime Earth. On this Prime Earth.
Everyone is recreated regardless if they died during the incursion or during Secret Wars. This universe is created with exceptions, such as those like Miles Morales and his friends and mother now not only resurrected but living on it as well.
I think it would be prudent to denote a marker on everyone's last appearance before Secret Wars #2 (The End of both the 616 and 1610 universes) and anything we see after in this All-New, All-Different Marvel Universe in Secret Wars #9. Any character from another universe now residing in the Prime Universe get transferred to the main page with a note placed on there original page to the main page from there original.
Everyone is recreated regardless if they died during the incursion or during Secret Wars. This universe is created with exceptions, such as those like Miles Morales and his friends and mother now not only resurrected but living on it as well.
I think it would be prudent to denote a marker on everyone's last appearance before Secret Wars #2 (The End of both the 616 and 1610 universes) and anything we see after in this All-New, All-Different Marvel Universe in Secret Wars #9. Any character from another universe now residing in the Prime Universe get transferred to the main page with a note placed on there original page to the main page from there original.
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It was negated as soon as Infinity War, IIRC. [Plus, this wasn't the MU Gems, it was the Gems of whatever universe that the bit of Battleworld Doom's castle was built on came from. And the Living T was killed in the run-up - the Illuminati skinned him and used it for their "life raft"]Russ Chappell wrote:This may have been negated/retconned at some point, but after Infinity Gauntlet, didn't the Living Tribunal rule that multiple gems could no longer be used at the same time, specifically because of Thanos?Col_Fury wrote:You would think using more than one Gem at a time would be more efficient (Thanos had fun using all six at once back in the '90s),
While he had been using the Gauntlet in concert up to that point, for some reason, Panther removed one Gem - which appeared to be the yellow one (Time) - placed it in his palm and focused on it. It would have made more sense to use the Gauntlet - if nothing else, the Power Gem would have backed up what he was trying to do - but he... didn't.
EDIT: From that CBR interview: Next page, his mask/injuries are fixed, the Gem(s) & Gauntlet are gone and he's back in Wakanda.
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No.Jason Doty wrote:While all that came before did, Isn't this an all new creation
Reality-616 has been destroyed and recreated before in at least two different Doctor Strange stories that I can think of, and I'm sure it's happened a bunch of times before. This is no different.
Oh, that's right. Infinity Gems only work in their native reality, right? So how would Black Panther have used any of them for this, anyway? Unless… it was the Reality Gem, the only one that can affect realities besides its own.Somebody wrote:Plus, this wasn't the MU Gems, it was the Gems of whatever universe that the bit of Battleworld Doom's castle was built on came from.
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The "gems only work in the same universe" thing makes sense to me: the new "prime earth"'s universe is (at that point) the only one there is, i.e. the one in which Doom's Battleworld existed (until Reed and maybe T'Challa remolded it into a nearly exact copy of the old 616 universe), so it's still the one in which that particular Infinity Gauntlet and its gems work. Not that T'Challa appears to have brought them with him...
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He was between realities. In Hickman's Council of Reeds thing, one of the IG Reeds got another one to become a portal to the IG's reality so that his IG would work in the fight.Col_Fury wrote:Oh, that's right. Infinity Gems only work in their native reality, right? So how would Black Panther have used any of them for this, anyway?
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No.
Reality-616 has been destroyed and recreated before in at least two different Doctor Strange stories that I can think of, and I'm sure it's happened a bunch of times before. This is no different.
I think recreating the multiverse is a scale above, and while what was the 616 was restored to be the new "Prime," It has been restored with changes which should be addressed and on a level higher, and is a company wide change.From Newsarama
Brevoort also expounded on the fate of Marvel's multiverse, which the Richardses were left to rebuild in Secret Wars #9, particularly mentioning that the issue signaled the end of the term "616" to refer to the mainstream Marvel Universe, in favor of the term "Prime Earth."
“It's effectively a new multiverse. The biggest and most important thing here that nobody in the world will like, and that I'm the only one that keeps poking at, is the fact that the Marvel Universe is no longer the 616. I don't know if by the end of Secret Wars #9 there are 616 universes yet. There will be an infinite number of them. Realities that we've known and new ones that we've never visited before are being constantly created, and then mapped and explored by Reed and his family.”
“They started by restoring the Marvel Universe. So really, it's now the Prime Universe.”