What If…? #7, 19, 23 & v2 #42; SI:I♥NYC /4

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What If…? #7, 19, 23 & v2 #42; SI:I♥NYC /4

Post by Col_Fury » Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:34 pm

WHAT IF…? #7 (February 1978)
By Don Glut & Rick Hoberg

APPEARANCES:
Earth-616: the Watcher, Spider-Man
Earth-78127: Captain Spider (Flash Thompson), Spider-Man (Peter Parker), Dr. Eric Schwinner, Crusher Hogan, Chameleon, Tinkerer, Vulture
Earth-78227: Spider-Girl (Betty Brant), Spider-Man (Peter Parker), Dr. Eric Schwinner, J. Jonah Jameson, Robert F. Wagner (New York mayor, bts), burglar (Carradine), Ben Parker (bts)
Earth-78327: Spider Jameson (Col. John Jameson), Spider-Man (Peter Parker), Dr. Eric Schwinner, J. Jonah Jameson, Vulture (bts)

FLASHBACK:
Recap of Spider-Man’s origin, no new information.
SYNOPSIS:
The Watcher watches Spider-Man save a kid from falling out a window, then wonders WHAT IF… someone else were bitten by the radioactive spider? He looks at Earth-78127where Flash Thompson is bitten. As he leaves the science exhibit a car almost runs him over and he tosses it aside. He challenges the wrestler Crusher Hogan and arrogantly not realizing his ne strength, accidentally kills Hogan. Flash runs from the police, breaks into a costume shop and becomes Captain Spider to make up for killing someone. He battles Chameleon and Tinkerer and criminals start to fear him. Captain Spider battles the Vulture, but without web-shooters he can’t stop himself from falling when the Vulture picks him up and drops him. Peter Parker finds Flash in the street and assumes he’s dead. The Watcher looks at Earth-78227 where Betty Brant is bitten. Betty faints and Peter takes her out for coffee where she breaks a table. Petr runs her through some tests and determines she has spider-powers. He makers her some web-shooters and she makes a sexy costume, becoming Spider-Girl (Peter wanted to call her “Spider-Lady” but she thought that sounded too old). Betty’s too timid to use her strength and lets a burglar escape, and of course later uncle Ben is shot. She tracks the burglar to the Acme warehouse and learns it’s the same guy she let escape. The responsibility is too much for her, so Betty quits being Spider-Girl. The Watcher then looks at Earth-78327 where John Jameson is bitten. Jonah designs a suit for him and he gets a jetpack to fly around with. He hears of a crashing space capsule and saves the astronaut inside, but his jet pack runs out of fuel and he’s crushed. With his son dead, Jonah erects a statue of Spider Jameson so everyone can remember how awesome he was. The Watcher then looks at all three realities; Peter saved the irradiated spider and derived a serum from its venom, giving himself spider-powers and becoming Spider-Man in all three realities.

NOTE:
All three of these spider-people were seen in the Spider-Verse crossover. Betty just quit; I’m sure if the Inheritors attacked that at least would have brought her out of retirement, but she could have resumed being Spider-Girl at any time. Flash might not have been dead and Peter was just jumping to conclusions (that’s not the intention here, though). Jameson, though, really died. And yet, there he is in SVERSE 2/5. I guess he was resurrected.

WI? 7 is already in the Watcher’s and Spider-Man’s chronologies.

WHAT IF…? #19 (February 1980)
By Peter Gillis & Pat Broderick

APPEARANCES:
Earth-616: the Watcher, Spider-Man (Peter Parker)
Earth-80219: Spider-Man (Peter Parker), burglar (Carradine), J. Jonah Jameson, Betty Brant, Flash Thompson, Liz Allen, May Parker, Ben Parker, Big Man (Frederick Foswell), Ned Leeds (bts), Human Torch, Invisible Girl, Mr. Fantastic, Thing, Captain America, Giant-Man, Iron Man, Thor, Wasp, Rick Jones, Angel, Beast, Cyclops, Iceman, Marvel Girl, Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Daredevil, Fixer, Slade, Fancy Dan, Montana, Ox, Bernie Bushkin (bts), Joe Robertson, Kraven, Doctor Octopus, Electro, Mysterio, Sandman, Vulture

FLASHBACK:
Recap of Spider-Man’s origin, no new information.
SYNOPSIS:
The Watcher watches as Spider-Man visits his uncle Ben’s grave and wonders WHAT IF… Spider-Man had stopped the burglar? He looks at Earth-80219 where that happened and Spider-Man became a celebrity. Col. John Jameson dies because Spider-Man is busy guest hosting the Tonight Show. Peter’s aunt and uncle are disgusted that Peter is using his powers for selfish gain. Jameson has a reporter find out who Spider-Man really is and reveals his identity to the public. Spider-Man becomes a publicity agent for super heroes. When Jameson won’t leave Spider-Man alone, Spider-Man publicly ties Jameson to protection rackets, which causes him to lose the Daily Bugle. Jameson teams with the Sinister Six and tries to kill Spider-Man, but Daredevil sacrifices himself trying to protect him. Spider-Man finally learns that with great power there must also come great responsibility.

NOTE:
This is already in the Watcher’s chronology, but not Spider-Man’s.

WHAT IF…? #23 (October 1980)
By Peter Gillis & Herb Trimpe

APPEARANCES:
Earth-616: the Watcher
Earth-4080: Hulk, Jarella, Crypto-Man, Clay Quartermain, Thunderbolt Ross, Glenn Talbot, Betty Ross, Yellowjacket (Hank Pym), Torla, Holi, Moli, Cnerla, Hrond, Ythaer, Vidias, Glunno, Lord Visis

FLASHBACK:
Recap of IH2 203-205 (no new information). Recap of A 88 & IH2 140 (ditto).
SYNOPSIS:
The Watcher watches Jarella die and wonders WHAT IF… Jarella didn’t die? He looks at Earth-4080 where Jarella doesn’t die under falling rubble. Later, Hulk and Jarella are picked up by Clay Quartermain and Hank Pym shrinks them down to go back to Jarella’s world. Hulk and Jarella get married, but someone keeps trying to kill Jarella. Jarella gets a team together and they investigate a ruined city where people used to worship the dark gods. Hulk smashes the ruined city and vows to find those responsible. The End.

NOTE:
The cover says “What If the Hulk had become a barbarian?” and has the Hulk looking a lot like Conan. There’s no barbarian stuff in here, not even an axe.

2nd Story:
By Mark Gruenwald & Ron Wilson

This ancient history of the Marvel Universe story is already in the MCP.

3rd Story:
By Steve Skeates & Alan Kupperberg

APPEARANCES:
Earth-3123: Spider-Ma’am (May Parker), Peter Parker, Dr. Eric Schwinner, Ben Parker, Leap Frog

SYNOPSIS:
Peter forgot the lunch aunt May made for him, so May rushes it to the science exhibit and is bitten by the radioactive spider. Realizing she has super-powers (like Samson in the bible, she thinks), she makes herself a costume to make money off the powers (how do you go from quoting the bible to greed in less than ten seconds?) and becomes Spider-Ma’am. Meanwhile, the Leap Frog has robbed a candy store. Spider-Ma’am ends up defeating Leap Frog in her front yard; Peter comes home from the science exhibit and passes out.

NOYE:
No Watcher in this story, but Sider-Ma’am (and Peter and Ben) appears again in Spider-Verse.

WHAT IF…? v2 #42 (October 1992)
By Michael Gallagher & Kevin West

APPEARANCES:
Earth-616: the Watcher
Earth-92100: Spider-Man, Morbius, Lizard, Angel, Beast, Cyclops, Iceman, Marvel Girl, Professor X, Mr. Fantastic, Thing, Doctor Octopus, J. Jonah Jameson, Joe Robertson, May Parker, Gwen Stacy (bts)

SYNOPSIS:
Morbius is eaten by sharks (!) so an enzyme in his blood can’t be used to remove Spider-Man’s extra arms. He checks with Curt Connors, but he can’t help. He checks with the X-Men and Fantastic Four, but they can’t help either. Doctor Octopus takes some hostages so Spider-Man beats him up, but now everyone knows he has extra arms. Joe Robertson convinces Jonah to stop picking on Spider-Man; the Bugle doesn’t want to be see giving someone with disabilities a hard time. Months later Mr. Fantastic makes fancy sleeves that make the extra arms invisible and intangible, so Peter Parker can resume his life. Years later, May Parker dies of natural causes, so Peter leaves Gwen Stacy (who didn’t die on the bridge) and commits his life to be Spider-Man full time. He becomes a hero to everyone with disabilities.

NOTE:
There’s a montage of various villains Spider-Man will fight, but it’s a symbolic image.

SPIDER-ISLAND: I ♥ NEW YORK CITY #1 (November 2011)
4th Story:
By Skottie Young

APPEARANCES:
Earth-999: Spider-Cat, Venom Pigeon, a nice lady, gamer friends

SYNOPSIS:
Spider-Cat is fed by a nice lady, then fights Venom Pigeon (and a bunch of other pigeons). Later, he hangs out with some gamers.

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A-Z pages

SPIDER-MAN/PETER BENJAMIN PARKER
……
PPSSM 37
*WI? 19
M/TU 92
……

EARTH-999

SPIDER-CAT | EARTH-999
*SI:I♥NYC /4 (remove brackets)
[ASM3 7/2]

VENOM PIGEON | EARTH-999
SI:I♥NYC /4

EARTH-3123

LEAP FROG | EARTH-3123
WI? 23/3

PARKER, BEN | EARTH-3123
*WI? 23/3
SVERSETU 3

PARKER, PETER | EARTH-3123
*WI? 23/3
SVERSETU 3

SCHWINNER, DR. ERIC | EARTH-3123
WI? 23/3

SPIDER-MA’AM/MAY PARKER | EARTH-3123
**[WI? 23] (delete)
*WI? 23/3
SVERSETU 3
SVERSE 2/5-OP

EARTH-4080

CNERLA | EARTH-4080
WI? 23

CRYPTO-MAN | EARTH-4080
WI? 23

GLUNNO | EARTH-4080
WI? 23

HOLI | EARTH-4080
WI? 23

HROND | EARTH-4080
WI? 23

HULK/BRUCE BANNER | EARTH-4080
WI? 23

JARELLA | EARTH-4080
WI? 23

LORD VISIS | EARTH-4080
WI? 23

MOLI | EARTH-4080
WI? 23

QUARTERMAIN, CLAY | EARTH-4080
WI? 23

ROSS, GEN. THADDEUS E. "THUNDERBOLT" | EARTH-4080
WI? 23

TALBOT, BETTY ROSS | EARTH-4080
WI? 23

TALBOT, COL. GLENN | EARTH-4080
WI? 23

TORLA | EARTH-4080
WI? 23

VIDIAS | EARTH-4080
WI? 23

YELLOWJACKET/HANK PYM | EARTH-4080
WI? 23

YTHAER | EARTH-4080
WI? 23

EARTH-78127

CAPTAIN SPIDER/EUGENE “FLASH” THOMPSON | EARTH-78127
*WI? 7 (remove brackets)
SVERSE 1/2
……

CHAMELEON/DMITRI SMERDYAKOV | EARTH-78127
WI? 7

HOGAN, “CRUSHER” | EARTH-78127
WI? 7

SCHWINNER, DR. ERIC | EARTH-78127
WI? 7

SPIDER-MAN/PETER PARKER | EARTH-78127
WI? 7

TINKERER/PHINEAS MASON | EARTH-78127
WI? 7

VULTURE/ADRIAN TOOMES | EARTH-78127
WI? 7

EARTH-78227

BURGLAR/CARRADINE | EARTH-78227
WI? 7

JAMESON, J. JONAH | EARTH-78227
WI? 7

PARKER, BEN | EARTH-78227
WI? 7-BTS

SCHWINNER, DR. ERIC | EARTH-78227
WI? 7

SPIDER-GIRL/BETTY BRANT | EARTH-78227
*WI? 7 (remove brackets)
[ASM3 9]
……

SPIDER-MAN/PETER PARKER | EARTH-78227
WI? 7

WAGNER, ROBERT F. | EARTH-78227
WI? 7-BTS

EARTH-78327

JAMESON, J. JONAH | EARTH-78327
WI? 7

SCHWINNER, DR. ERIC | EARTH-78327
WI? 7

SPIDER JAMESON/COL. JOHN JAMESON | EARTH-78327
WI? 7
SVERSE 2/5

SPIDER-MAN/PETER PARKER | EARTH-78327
WI? 7

VULTURE/ADRIAN TOOMES | EARTH-78327
WI? 7-BTS

EARTH-80219

ALLEN, LIZ | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

ANGEL/WARREN WORTHINGTON III | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

BEAST/HANK MCCOY | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

BIG MAN/FREDERICK FOSWELL | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

BRANT, BETTY | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

BURGLAR/CARRADINE | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

BUSHKIN, BARNEY | EARTH-80219
WI? 19-BTS

CAPTAIN AMERICA/STEVE ROGERS | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

CYCLOPS/SCOTT SUMMERS | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

DAREDEVIL/MATT MURDOCK | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

DOCTOR OCTOPUS/DR. OTTO OCTAVIUS | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

ELECTRO/MAX DILLON | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

FANCY DAN | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

FIXER/ROSCOE SWEENEY | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

GIANT-MAN/HANK PYM | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

HUMAN TORCH/JOHNNY STORM | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

ICEMAN/BOBBY DRAKE | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

INVISIBLE GIRL/SUE STORM | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

IRON MAN/TONY STARK | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

JAMESON, J. JONAH | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

JONES, RICK | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

KIRBY, JACK | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

KRAVEN THE HUNTER/SEGEI KRAVINOFF | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

LEE, STAN | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

LEEDS, NED | EARTH-80219
WI? 19-BTS

MARVEL GIRL/JEAN GREY | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

MONTANA | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

MR. FANTASTIC/REED RICHARDS | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

MYSTERIO/QUENTIN BECK | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

OX/RAYMOND BLOCH | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

PARKER, BEN | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

PARKER, MAY | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

ROBERTSON, JOE | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

SANDMAN/FLINT MARKO | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

SLADE | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

SPIDER-MAN/PETER PARKER | EARTH-80219
WI? 19
SVERSE 2/5

THING/BEN GRIMM | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

THOMPSON, EUGENE “FLASH” | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

THOR | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

VULTURE/ADRIAN TOOMES | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

WASP/JANET VAN DYNE | EARTH-80219
WI? 19

EARTH-92100

ANGEL/WARREN WORTHINGTON III | EARTH-92100
WI?2 42

BEAST/HANK MCCOY | EARTH-92100
WI?2 42

CYCLOPS/SCOTT SUMMERS | EARTH-92100
WI?2 42

DOCTOR OCTOPUS/DR. OTTO OCTAVIUS | EARTH-92100
WI?2 42

ICEMAN/BOBBY DRAKE | EARTH-92100
WI?2 42

JAMESON, J. JONAH | EARTH-92100
WI?2 42

LIZARD/CURT CONNORS | EARTH-92100
WI?2 42

MARVEL GIRL/JEAN GREY | EARTH-92100
WI?2 42

MORBIUS/DR. MICHAEL MORBIUS | EARTH-92100
WI?2 42

MR. FANTASIC/REED RICHARDS | EARTH-92100
WI?2 42

PARKER, MAY | EARTH-92100
WI?2 42

PROFESSOR X/CHARLES XAVIER | EARTH-92100
WI?2 42

ROBERTSON, JOE | EARTH-92100
WI?2 42

SPIDER-MAN/PETER PARKER | EARTH-92100
*WI?2 42 (remove brackets)
ESVERSE 1
……

STACY, GWEN | EARTH-92100
WI?2 42-BTS

THING/BEN GRIMM | EARTH-92100
WI?2 42
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Re: What If…? #7, 19, 23 & v2 #42; SI:I♥NYC /4

Post by Michael » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:59 pm

About What If 23- the weird thing is that the story establishes that the Crypto-Man's creator was a worshipper of the Dark Gods and the boy Jarella died saving was an illusion. It's not clear if this was the case in 616.

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Re: What If…? #7, 19, 23 & v2 #42; SI:I♥NYC /4

Post by Col_Fury » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:30 am

Yeah, it's like they're trying to say that Jarella died for no reason at all.

Also, I forgot to mention that according to WI? 19, uncle Ben was born in 1902 and died in 1960-something (according to his tombstone), putting him in his early-to-mid sixties at the time of Amazing Fantasy #15.
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