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Re: SECRET WARS to CIVIL WAR II

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OK! Trying to sort out the HTD5/Gwenpool mess, here's a revised version of Howard's chronology. I'm leaving out the Linda-and-Shocket flashbacks from Howard #2, and also the flashbacks in Unbelievable Gwenpool #18-19, just because they'll complicate matters, but here's the spine of it. Do we know when the Silver Surfer gave Alicia a piece of the Power Cosmic, and when she sculpted it into a statue of Ben? If we do, that might help! (Or not, if it was before Secret Wars.)

NOTE for those just joining us: the non-flashback sections of Howard the Duck (2015B) happen in the order 7, 6, 1-5, 8-11.

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SECRET WARS

[Daredevil 17-20 flashbacks, in the course of which Daredevil's identity becomes secret again; it's just going to make things easier if we say the characters dealing with the chaos in Daredevil #19 pp. 14-15 are just, by chance, some of the ones who became the ANAD Avengers subsequently.]

AT SOME POINT THEREAFTER BUT BEFORE :!: MINUS 3 MONTHS:
HTD5 #7

:!: MINUS 5 MONTHS:
HTD5 #4 (9) [Scout steals the Power Cosmic]

:!: MINUS 3 MONTHS:
USQG2 #6
HTD5 #6 (1-18)
HTD5 #1 (1)
[Note: USQG2 #1-5 must be at some point AFTER this, and USQG2 #1 may be around the same time as Starbrand & Nightmask #1-6.]

:!: MINUS 2 MONTHS, 1 WEEK:
HTD5 #6 (19-20)

:!: MINUS 1 MONTH:
HTD5 #1 (5-7)

{At some point between Secret Wars and :!: : Unbelievable Gwenpool #0, a.k.a. the backup stories in HTD5 #1-3; shortly thereafter, Gwenpool Special #1, in which Spider-Woman is pregnant}

{Also at some point between Secret Wars and :!: : Howling Commandos of S.H.I.E.L.D. #1 -FB , in which Man-Thing joins S.H.I.E.L.D.]

:!: ITSELF:
HTD5 #1 (2-4, 8-20)
HTD5 #2 (21)
HTD5 #3 (3-20)
HTD5 #4 (2-8, 10-14)
HTD5 #3 (1-2)
HTD5 #4 (15-20)
HTD5 #5 (1-18)

[Note: An indeterminate but probably not HUGELY long amount of time evidently passes here, during which Ultimates #1-2 happen and Galactus becomes the Lifebringer. During this gap, Howard can't appear anywhere else.]

HTD5 #5 (19-20)
HTD5 #8-10
HTD5 #11 (1-19)
[At some point after this--irrespective of the placement of pg. 20, below--Dr. Strange loses magic & changes outfits]

THREE MONTHS LATER:
HTD5 #11 (20)
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Re: SECRET WARS to CIVIL WAR II

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Just a note on Cap America: Sam Wilson

You have a line for Cap America: Sam Wilson 1-7
And then a line for Avengers Standoff

However Cap America: Sam Wilson 7 is in the chronology listed in the Avengers Standoff thread
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Where does the Uncanny Avengers Annual 1 take place? The issue introduces the Emerald Warlock, who opposes Scarlet Witch in her series. The issue has to take place prior to Scarlet Witch #2, where Emerald Warlock first appears in her title.

Does Scarlet Witch #10-15 take place before or after The Last Days of Magic?
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Aragorn45 wrote: Wed May 09, 2018 1:03 pm Where does the Uncanny Avengers Annual 1 take place? The issue introduces the Emerald Warlock, who opposes Scarlet Witch in her series. The issue has to take place prior to Scarlet Witch #2, where Emerald Warlock first appears in her title.
I have Uncanny Avengers Annual after Uncanny Avengers 1-4 and before Scarlet Witch 1-2.. There are a few updates to be done on the list at this point, but wolverine7230 is away for a couple of weeks, and i don't want to tread on his toes..
Aragorn45 wrote: Wed May 09, 2018 1:03 pm Does Scarlet Witch #10-15 take place before or after The Last Days of Magic?
Doctor Strange: Last Days of Magic seems to occur in the immediate aftermath of Civil War II, so i have Scarlet Witch 10-15 after that. There's a gap of six or seven weeks between issues 12 & 13, during which Wanda is on the Witch's Road; during that time, she can't appear in anything else, and she's prominent in Last Days of Magic..
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Re: SECRET WARS to CIVIL WAR II

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Same drill as before, here's the updated sequence, probably full of errors. I'm slated to be really busy until the middle of June, but at that point hopefully the last few bits will have been placed, any glaring errors pointed out, and I'll be able to check the whole thing.

SECRET WARS [Late July]
Contest of Champions 6 (1-3) FB
Death of X 1-4
Howard the Duck 2 (20) FB “8 Months ago”
Daredevil 17-20 FBs
Howard the Duck 7
Starbrand and Nightmask 1-6 [September]
Howard the Duck 2 (3-10) FB “6 Months Ago”
ANAD Marvel Point One rocket raccoon and groot segment [October 31st]
Howard the Duck 4 (9) FB “5 Months Ago”
Ant-Man Annual 1 (5-25) FB
Avengers: Rage of Ultron (1-94)
Ant-Man Annual 1
Avengers: Rage of Ultron (95-99)
Spider-Man 1-2 (1-19)
Captain Marvel 1-5
Amazing Spider-Man 1/4, 1/3, 1/6 [Jess 6 Months Pregnant]
Amazing Spider-Man 1-5
Unbelievable Gwenpool 18 (1-5)
Howard the Duck 1/2-3/2
Gwenpool Special 1 (37-38, 1-20, 36, 39-43) / Unbelievable Gwenpool 18 (6-15)
Unbelievable Gwenpool 19 (1-9)
Gwenpool Special 1 (21-35, 44-50) [December 24th]
Silk 1
Unbeatable Squirrel Girl 6
Howard the Duck 6 (1-18)
Howard the Duck 1 (1) FB “3 Months Ago”
Howard the Duck 2 (11-13) FB “3 Months Ago”
Howard the Duck 6 (19-20)
Silver Surfer 1-2 (3-4)
A Year of Marvels: The Amazing 1/1 [February 14th]
A Year of Marvels: The Amazing 1/2 [March 11th-13th]
Spider-Man/Deadpool 6 (1-19)
Howard the Duck 1 (5-7) FB “1 Month Ago”
Secret Wars #9 (25-34) “Eight months later” [Late March]
Spider-Woman 1 (1-15) [Jess 34 Weeks Pregnant]
Contest of Champions 6 (4-8) FB
Contest of Champions 4 (2) FB
Totally Awesome Hulk 1-4
All-New, All Different Marvel Point One [Early April]
Spider-Woman 1 (16-20)-4
Weirdworld 1-6
Karnak 1-6
FCBD 2015: All-New All-Different Avengers 1/2
Uncanny Inhumans 1-4
Uncanny Inhumans 0/2
Uncanny Inhumans 1/2
Avengers 0
A-Force 1-7
Unbeatable Squirrel Girl 1-5
Contest of Champions 1/2
Uncanny Avengers 1-4
Squadron Supreme 1-5
Howling Commandos of SHIELD 1-5
A Year of Marvels: The Incredible 1/1 [April]
Silk 2-5
Carnage 1-5 [April 14th]
Carnage 7-8 FB [April 16th]
Invincible Iron Man 1-2 (1-12)
Carnage 9-10 FB [April 25th-26th]
Carnage 6-7 (1) [April 26th-27th]
Silk 6
Carnage 9-10 Modern Day Sections & 11 (1-2) [April 30th]
Carnage 11 (3-20)-16 (1-19) [May 2nd]
Carnage 11 (20) [May 7th]
A Year of Marvels: The Incredible 1/2 [May 8th]
Amazing Spider-Man 6 (1-7)
Uncanny Avengers Annual 1
Scarlet Witch 1-2
Contest of Champions 1-6
All-New, All Different Avengers 1-3
FCBD 2015: All-New, All Different Avengers (1st Story)
Old Man Logan 1-4
Extraordinary X-Men 1-7
Amazing Spider-Man 6 (8-20)-8
Amazing Spider-Man Annual 1/2 (1-13)
Amazing Spider-Man Annual 1/1
Amazing Spider-Man Annual 1/2 (14-15)
Amazing Spider-Man Annual 1/3
Amazing Spider-Man 9-11
Daredevil 1-5
Silver Surfer 2 (5-20)-6
Howard the Duck 1-5 (1-14)
Ultimates 1-2
Howard the Duck 5 (15-20), 8-11 (1-19)
Doctor Strange 1-2
Invincible Iron Man 2 (13-20)-8
Doctor Strange 3
Unbeatable Squirrel Girl 7-14
Contest of Champions 6 (19-20)-10
Ultimates 3-6
A Year of Marvels: The Unstoppable 1/1 (first bit) [June 19th]
Invincible Iron Man 9-11
Amazing Spider-Man 12
Vision 1-12
A Year of Marvels: The Unstoppable 1/2 (second bit) [Early July]
A Year of Marvels: The Unstoppable 1/2 [July 4th]
Unbeatable Squirrel Girl 15
Rocket Raccoon and Groot 1-7
Drax 1-11
Venom: Spaceknight 1-6
Guardians of Infinity 1-8
Guardians of Infinity 1/2-4/2
Angela: Queen of Hel 1-7
Scarlet Witch 3-8
Captain America: Sam Wilson 1-6
Punisher 1-12
Moon Knight 1-14
New Avengers 1-6
All-New Hawkeye 1-6
New Avengers 7
Uncanny Avengers 5-6
A Year of Marvels: The Unbeatable 1/1 [August 13th-15th]
Black Widow 1-10
Black Knight 1-5
Nova 1-4
All-New, All Different Avengers 4-6
Spider-Gwen 1-6
Spider-Woman 5
SPIDER-WOMEN
Spider-Woman 8 [Late August]
Silk 9-13
Power Man and Iron Fist 1-4
Howard the Duck 11 (20)
A Year of Marvels: The Unbeatable 1/2 [September]
Silver Surfer 7-14
Illuminati 1-5
Agents of SHIELD 1-2
AVENGERS: STANDOFF! [NFL in-Season]
Agents of SHIELD 5-6
Illuminati 7
Captain America: Sam Wilson 9
New Avengers 11
All-New Wolverine 1-7
Patsy Walker, AKA Hellcat 1-7
Ms Marvel 1-3
Ghost Rider 1-5
All-New Inhumans 1-4
Uncanny Inhumans 5-7
All-New Inhumans 5-6
Uncanny Inhumans 8-9
All-New Inumans 7-11
Uncanny Inhumans 10
Uncanny Inhumans Annual 1
Mighty Thor 1-5
Vote Loki 1-3 [October]
A Year of Marvels: The Uncanny 1/1 [October 31st]
Red Wolf 1-6
Thunderbolts 1-4
Spider-Man/Deadpool 1-5, 8-11, 13
Mighty Thor 6-7
Vote Loki 4 (1-7) [November 3rd]
Mighty Thor 8 (1-2)
Vote Loki 4 (8-20) [November 7th/8th]
Mighty Thor 8 (3-20)-12
Squadron Supreme 6-8
Hyperion 1-6
A Year of Marvels: The Uncanny 1/2 [November 24th]
Unbeatable Squirrel Girl Beats up the Marvel Universe
Ms Marvel 4-6
Amazing Spider-Man 1.1-1.4 [Mid December]
Ghost Rider X-Mas Special Infinite Comic [December 25th]
Deadpool and the Mercs for Money 1-4 [Late December]
Marvel New Year's Eve Special Infinite Comic [December 31st]
Uncanny Avengers 9-12
All-New, All Different Avengers 9 (1-18) / FCBD 2016: Civil War II (2nd Story)
Nova 5-7 / All-New, All Different Avengers 9 (19-20)
All-New, All Different Avengers 10-12
Nighthawk 1-6
Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur 1-12 (1-5)
Mockingbird 1-5
Totally Awesome Hulk 5-6
Spider-Man/Deadpool 6 (20) [Mid February]
Guardians of the Galaxy 1-5
Star-Lord 6-8
Guardians of Infinity 5/2-8/2
Guardians of the Galaxy 6-10 (1-19)
Venom: Spaceknight 7-10
Old Man Logan 5-7 [Mid-Late March]
Hercules 1-6
Deadpool 8-11
Captain America: Steve Rogers 1-3
Astonishing Ant-Man 1-13
Old Man Logan 8-13
Deadpool 13
Power Man and Iron Fist 5
All-New Wolverine 8-9
Spider-Man 2 (20)-5
Ultimates 7
CIVIL WAR II Starts [Late June or Early July]
Guardians of the Galaxy 10 (20)
Doctor Strange 4-7
Doctor Strange: Last Days of Magic
Deadpool: Last Days of Magic
Doctor Strange 8-11

TO DO:
All-New, All Different Avengers Annual 1
All-New Wolverine Annual 1
All-New X-Men 1-?
Amazing Spider-Man/Silk: Spiderfly Effect 1-4
Black Panther 1-6
Daredevil 6-?
Daredevil/Punisher: Seventh Circle 1-4
Deadpool 1-7
Deadpool and Cable: Split Second 1-5
Extraordinary X-Men 8-?
International Iron Man 1-?
Spider-Man 2099 1-12
Unbelievable Gwenpool 1-?
Uncanny X-Men 1-?
Web Warriors 1-?
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Re: SECRET WARS to CIVIL WAR II

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Here is a question about the placing of the Silver Surfer issues. In the Vision series the Surfer gave Vision a vase from Zenn-La. This was important because at the end of the series Virginia Vision poisoned herself and died by drinking the water of the vase.

In Silver Surfer #3. the Surfer stopped Shalla Bal's attack on Earth by eradicating all Zenn-Lavian culture from the universe. The vase in Vision's house, a piece of Zenn-Lavian art, should have vanished. The events of Silver Surfer #3-4 should then happen after the Vision series.

You have Silver Surfer #1-6 placed before the Vision series. Instead it should happen after the Vision series. Am I correct?
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The current placement of Silver Surfer is due to continuity problems in Howard the Duck as discussed here..

http://www.chronologyproject.com/phpbb2 ... =45#p54147

However, Vision 1-12 probably needs to be revised anyway, as it occurs over months, and we have it listed all together, so here goes..

Vision III 7 (20) [Vision tells his newly created wife a joke]
Vision III 1 (1-7) [Vision creates a family for himself, and becomes the Avengers man in the White House]{September}
Vision III 1 (8-9) [Vision begins his new duties as Avengers liaison with the President]{September}
Vision III 1 (10-14) [The Vision’s children begin high school]{early September}
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Vision III 1 (15-20) [Vision heads to Avengers HQ to run self-diagnostics, his children are attacked in their home by the Grim Reaper, who seriously injures Viv, and is then killed in retaliation by Virginia]{a saturday some six weeks later, so late October}
Vision III 2 [With Viv on life-support in the lab, Virginia gives Vision a fabricated account of her battle with the Grim Reaper, telling him that the Reaper fled]{Monday}
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Vision III 3 [after three weeks of twenty-four hour work, Vision and Tony Stark revive Viv; Virginia asks Vin if his suspension from school equates to being permantly suspended on the couch, and he tells her he was downloading music for the Fall concert; Vision tells Virginia that Iron Man contacted SHIELD about the incident with Grim Reaper, but they haven’t been able to locate him]{mid-November}
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*These next segments take place over a few days from Sunday to Friday in late November or early December:

Vision III 4 (1-7) [Vision plays ball with Vin & Viv, as Virginia receives another phone call from the blackmailer]{Sunday}
Vision III 4 (8-11) [Vin & Viv return to school; while Vision battles Giganto with Iron Man & Sam Wilson, he gets a call from Virginia asking him to return home]{Monday}
Vision III 4 (12-20) [Virginia flies to a rendezvous with the blackmailer, Leon Kinsky, at his home at midnight, where he threatens her with a gun; Virginia moves towards him and he shoots, but Virginia becomes intangible and the bullets pass thru her, killing his Son Chris, who had entered the room to see what was going on; Kinsky threatens to kill Virginia’s family and she hits him in the head]{Tuesday early hours}
Vision III 5 [Detective Matthew Lin of the Arlington PD calls at Vision’s house, asking Vision to accompany him to the station to answer questions; Lin asks Vision his whereabouts on the previous Tuesday night; Lin tells Vision that Chris Kinsky was found dead Wednesday morning, and his father Leon was unconscious with a head injury, and asks where Vin was that night]{Thursday}
Vision III 6 (1-7) [A neighbor’s dog digs up Grim Reaper’s body & is electrocuted when it bites into Reaper’s cybernetic arm; investigating the noise, Vision discovers the body]
Vision III 6 (8-20) [Next morning George, the dog’s owner, asks Virginia if she’s seen his dog; Vision reanimates the dog’s brain, placing it in a robotic body, and presenting it as a gift to the children; Scarlet Witch assembles the Avengers, Storm, Spider-Man, the Ultimates, She-Hulk (wearing her purple & white jump-suit), the Inhumans, Doctor Strange, and Rogue, and the ghost of Agatha Harkness relates to them all that has happened with the Vision, warning them that he will kill them all, and raze the world]{Friday}
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Vision III 8 (1-9) [As his family go about their daily routine, Vision melts snow from the path while communicating instructions on the Avengers Quinjet to Nova, when his brother Victor Mancha arrives to stay with them for the semester]{January}
Vision III 8 (10-20) [A few days after moving in with the Visions, Victor thanks Vision for taking him in over the winter; Vin discovers Victor reporting on the Vision’s family activities to Tony Stark, Sam Wilson and Thor; Victor transforms into Victorious, blasting Vin]
Vision III 9 [Vision finds Victor in the basement with a severely injured Vin]
Vision III 10 [Vision tells Viv he has finally heard back from the school Principal, who has agreed to send her tapes of the classes, and she will continue to receive her assignments, and it will not affect her moving on to her junior year, also that Iron Man has assures him the home detention will not last more than a few weeks; the dog starts barking at the front door, puts his nose against it and triggering an alarm; Iron Man calls, and Vision assures there’s no need to deploy the Avengers; Vision breaks thru the force-field surrounding the house, destroying it in the process, and walking out into the snow, takes flight; at Avengers Bunker, Nova tells Tony Stark & Thor that Vision is loose and heading for the DC prison where Victor Mancha is being held; Tony tells Nova to call everybody]{Winter}
Vision III 11 [Vision is confronted by the Avengers, the Ultimates, the Inhumans, Amazing Spider-Man and Dr Strange; Vision tells them he intends to kill Victor Mancha, blasting Tony and damaging his armor; Vision battles his way thru the assembled heroes, but when he gets to Victor’s cell, he is confronted by the Scarlet Witch and the ghost of Agatha Harkness, who try to reason with him; he phases into Wanda, causing her to pass out; Victor tells Vision it’s fine, and to do what he must, when Virginia approaches from behind, and rips out Victor’s heart]
Vision III 12 (1-17) [Virginia calls Det Matthew Lin of the Arlington PD, explaining her complicity in the deaths of the Grim Reaper and Cris Kinzky, and how she accessed Visions’ central coding to adjust his memories and motivations; Virginia tells Vision that Viv is still not speaking to her, and confesses that she killed the dog, then she explains that she drank from the flying vase of Zenn-La and the corrosive effects of the liquid are working through her system; Virginia tells Vision that after she drank of the water she saw a vision of him destroying the future, and she could not allow that to happen, and then she dies in the Vision’s arms; later, Wanda talks with Viv, then presents her with a new Sparky dog, courtesy of a little magic and a little of Tony Stark]
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In light of the above, i suggest Silver Surfer & Vision 1-12 placements as follows..

Silver Surfer 2 (5-20)-6 *MOVE FROM HERE
Howard the Duck 1-5 (1-14)
Ultimates 1-2
Howard the Duck 5 (15-20), 8-11 (1-19)
Doctor Strange 1-2
Invincible Iron Man 2 (13-20)-8
Doctor Strange 3
Unbeatable Squirrel Girl 7-14
Contest of Champions 6 (19-20)-10
Ultimates 3-6
A Year of Marvels: The Unstoppable 1/1 (first bit) [June 19th]
Invincible Iron Man 9-11
Amazing Spider-Man 12
Vision 1-12
A Year of Marvels: The Unstoppable 1/2 (second bit) [Early July]
A Year of Marvels: The Unstoppable 1/2 [July 4th]
Unbeatable Squirrel Girl 15
Rocket Raccoon and Groot 1-7
Drax 1-11
Venom: Spaceknight 1-6
Guardians of Infinity 1-8
Guardians of Infinity 1/2-4/2
Angela: Queen of Hel 1-7
Scarlet Witch 3-8
Captain America: Sam Wilson 1-6
Punisher 1-12
Moon Knight 1-14
New Avengers 1-6
All-New Hawkeye 1-6
New Avengers 7
Uncanny Avengers 5-6
A Year of Marvels: The Unbeatable 1/1 [August 13th-15th]
Black Widow 1-10
Black Knight 1-5
Nova 1-4
All-New, All Different Avengers 4-6
Spider-Gwen 1-6
Spider-Woman 5
SPIDER-WOMEN
Spider-Woman 8 [Late August]
Silk 9-13
Vision III 7 (20) [Vision tells his newly created wife a joke]
Vision III 1 (1-7) [Vision creates a family for himself, and becomes the Avengers man in the White House]{September}
Vision III 1 (8-9) [Vision begins his new duties as Avengers liaison with the President]{September}
Vision III 1 (10-14) [The Vision’s children begin high school]{early September}

Power Man and Iron Fist 1-4
Howard the Duck 11 (20)
A Year of Marvels: The Unbeatable 1/2 [September]
Silver Surfer 7-14 *MOVE FROM HERE
Illuminati 1-5
Agents of SHIELD 1-2
AVENGERS: STANDOFF! [NFL in-Season]
Agents of SHIELD 5-6
Illuminati 7
Captain America: Sam Wilson 9
New Avengers 11
All-New Wolverine 1-7
Patsy Walker, AKA Hellcat 1-7
Ms Marvel 1-3
Ghost Rider 1-5
All-New Inhumans 1-4
Uncanny Inhumans 5-7
All-New Inhumans 5-6
Uncanny Inhumans 8-9
All-New Inumans 7-11
Uncanny Inhumans 10
Uncanny Inhumans Annual 1
Mighty Thor 1-5
Vote Loki 1-3 [October]
Vision III 1 (15-20) [Vision heads to Avengers HQ to run self-diagnostics, his children are attacked in their home by the Grim Reaper, who seriously injures Viv, and is then killed in retaliation by Virginia]{a saturday some six weeks later, so late October}
Vision III 2 [With Viv on life-support in the lab, Virginia gives Vision a fabricated account of her battle with the Grim Reaper, telling him that the Reaper fled]{Monday}

A Year of Marvels: The Uncanny 1/1 [October 31st]
Red Wolf 1-6
Thunderbolts 1-4
Spider-Man/Deadpool 1-5, 8-11, 13
Mighty Thor 6-7
Vote Loki 4 (1-7) [November 3rd]
Mighty Thor 8 (1-2)
Vote Loki 4 (8-20) [November 7th/8th]
Mighty Thor 8 (3-20)-12
Vision III 3 [after three weeks of twenty-four hour work, Vision and Tony Stark revive Viv; Virginia asks Vin if his suspension from school equates to being permantly suspended on the couch, and he tells her he was downloading music for the Fall concert; Vision tells Virginia that Iron Man contacted SHIELD about the incident with Grim Reaper, but they haven’t been able to locate him]{mid-November}
Squadron Supreme 6-8
Hyperion 1-6
A Year of Marvels: The Uncanny 1/2 [November 24th]
Vision III 4 (1-7) [Vision plays ball with Vin & Viv, as Virginia receives another phone call from the blackmailer]{Sunday}
Vision III 4 (8-11) [Vin & Viv return to school; while Vision battles Giganto with Iron Man & Sam Wilson, he gets a call from Virginia asking him to return home]{Monday}
Vision III 4 (12-20) [Virginia flies to a rendezvous with the blackmailer, Leon Kinsky, at his home at midnight, where he threatens her with a gun; Virginia moves towards him and he shoots, but Virginia becomes intangible and the bullets pass thru her, killing his Son Chris, who had entered the room to see what was going on; Kinsky threatens to kill Virginia’s family and she hits him in the head]{Tuesday early hours}
Vision III 5 [Detective Matthew Lin of the Arlington PD calls at Vision’s house, asking Vision to accompany him to the station to answer questions; Lin asks Vision his whereabouts on the previous Tuesday night; Lin tells Vision that Chris Kinsky was found dead Wednesday morning, and his father Leon was unconscious with a head injury, and asks where Vin was that night]{Thursday}
Vision III 6 (1-7) [A neighbor’s dog digs up Grim Reaper’s body & is electrocuted when it bites into Reaper’s cybernetic arm; investigating the noise, Vision discovers the body]
Vision III 6 (8-20) [Next morning George, the dog’s owner, asks Virginia if she’s seen his dog; Vision reanimates the dog’s brain, placing it in a robotic body, and presenting it as a gift to the children; Scarlet Witch assembles the Avengers, Storm, Spider-Man, the Ultimates, She-Hulk (wearing her purple & white jump-suit), the Inhumans, Doctor Strange, and Rogue, and the ghost of Agatha Harkness relates to them all that has happened with the Vision, warning them that he will kill them all, and raze the world]{Friday}

Unbeatable Squirrel Girl Beats up the Marvel Universe
Ms Marvel 4-6
Amazing Spider-Man 1.1-1.4 [Mid December]
Ghost Rider X-Mas Special Infinite Comic [December 25th]
Deadpool and the Mercs for Money 1-4 [Late December]
Marvel New Year's Eve Special Infinite Comic [December 31st]
Uncanny Avengers 9-12
Vision III 8 (1-9) [As his family go about their daily routine, Vision melts snow from the path while communicating instructions on the Avengers Quinjet to Nova, when his brother Victor Mancha arrives to stay with them for the semester]{January}
Vision III 8 (10-20) [A few days after moving in with the Visions, Victor thanks Vision for taking him in over the winter; Vin discovers Victor reporting on the Vision’s family activities to Tony Stark, Sam Wilson and Thor; Victor transforms into Victorious, blasting Vin]
Vision III 9 [Vision finds Victor in the basement with a severely injured Vin]
Vision III 10 [Vision tells Viv he has finally heard back from the school Principal, who has agreed to send her tapes of the classes, and she will continue to receive her assignments, and it will not affect her moving on to her junior year, also that Iron Man has assures him the home detention will not last more than a few weeks; the dog starts barking at the front door, puts his nose against it and triggering an alarm; Iron Man calls, and Vision assures there’s no need to deploy the Avengers; Vision breaks thru the force-field surrounding the house, destroying it in the process, and walking out into the snow, takes flight; at Avengers Bunker, Nova tells Tony Stark & Thor that Vision is loose and heading for the DC prison where Victor Mancha is being held; Tony tells Nova to call everybody]{Winter}
Vision III 11 [Vision is confronted by the Avengers, the Ultimates, the Inhumans, Amazing Spider-Man and Dr Strange; Vision tells them he intends to kill Victor Mancha, blasting Tony and damaging his armor; Vision battles his way thru the assembled heroes, but when he gets to Victor’s cell, he is confronted by the Scarlet Witch and the ghost of Agatha Harkness, who try to reason with him; he phases into Wanda, causing her to pass out; Victor tells Vision it’s fine, and to do what he must, when Virginia approaches from behind, and rips out Victor’s heart]
Vision III 12 (1-17) [Virginia calls Det Matthew Lin of the Arlington PD, explaining her complicity in the deaths of the Grim Reaper and Cris Kinzky, and how she accessed Visions’ central coding to adjust his memories and motivations; Virginia tells Vision that Viv is still not speaking to her, and confesses that she killed the dog, then she explains that she drank from the flying vase of Zenn-La and the corrosive effects of the liquid are working through her system; Virginia tells Vision that after she drank of the water she saw a vision of him destroying the future, and she could not allow that to happen, and then she dies in the Vision’s arms; later, Wanda talks with Viv, then presents her with a new Sparky dog, courtesy of a little magic and a little of Tony Stark]

Silver Surfer 2 (5-20)-6 *MOVE TO HERE
All-New, All Different Avengers 9 (1-18) / FCBD 2016: Civil War II (2nd Story)
Nova 5-7 / All-New, All Different Avengers 9 (19-20)
All-New, All Different Avengers 10-12
Nighthawk 1-6
Silver Surfer 7-14 *MOVE TO HERE
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I realize this may cause some problems with Howard the Duck, but we may have to opt for which is more important for continuity, Howard or the Vision. As Aragorn45 points out, the Zenn-La vase is an essential plot point in Vision, and i would personally opt for Vision taking preference over Howard if it comes down to it.

An alternate placement is for Vision to fitted into the previous Sept-Jan, but that would require Avengers 0, All-New, All-Different Avengers 1-3, and several other issues to be placed much further back in the timeline, and i don't know if that's possible without much more research..
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Here's a few notes i've jotted down while reviewing the updated list..

I realize i may get some resistance here..

Secret Wars #9 (25-34) “Eight months later” really needs to go way further up the list, like after Contest of Champions 6 (1-3).. i know it says “Eight months later” but this really has to go in the immediate aftermath of Secret Wars, what with Molecule Man returning the favour for Miles having given him a burger, Peter Parker taking Miles under his wing, and Reed, Sue, Franklin, and Valeria restructuring the multiverse.. some of these “Eight months later” headings are gonna have to be ignored as the editorial imperative that they were..

I suggest that ANAD Marvel Point One [rocket raccoon and groot segment] [October 31st] should be integrated into the rest of the issue.. we may have to ignore the Oct 31 date, or move the entire issue back to Oct 31, along with the surrounding items that go with it, once again ignoring the “Eight months later” editorial imperative.. Moving the entire issue back works better from my perspective.. Carnage 1-5 benefits from being moved back earlier in the list.. we have it set two days prior to issue 7, during which time a considerable amount has occurred, including Dixon facing a revue board.. makes more sense for a much longer time lapse between the issues.. Also, Carnage 7 occurs on April 13, and we have issues 1-5 as April 14..

Here's a few minor additions, mostly flashbacks, to be slotted into the updated list..

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Death of X 1-4
Inhumans vs X-Men 0 (1-9)
Uncanny X-Men 12 (1-5)

Howard the Duck 2 (20) FB “8 Months ago”
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Ant-Man Annual 1 (5-25) FB
Avengers: Rage of Ultron (1-94)
Civil War II 2016 FCBD 1/2 (5-7)
Ant-Man Annual 1
Avengers: Rage of Ultron (95-99)
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Amazing Spider-Man 1/4, 1/3, 1/6 [Jess 6 Months Pregnant]
Web-Warriors 1-5
Amazing Spider-Man 1/2
Amazing Spider-Man 1-5
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Silk 1
Totally Awesome Hulk 1-4 [Flashbacks] "4 months ago"
Totally Awesome Hulk 7

Unbeatable Squirrel Girl 6
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Squadron Supreme 1-5
SHIELD 9/2 (9/1 goes before Secret Wars)
Howling Commandos of SHIELD 1-5
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Believe it or not, I'm getting closer to this…

BUT IN THE MEANTIME

I've barely read much of anything after Secret Wars but I've had a suspicion for a while about there being two eight month time jumps. We know that there was "eight months" between (basically) Axis and Secret Wars, so that one's pretty much locked in. I have no doubt *some* time passed after Secret Wars and before we get started with the post-Secret Wars stuff… but another eight months? Yikes.

So anyway, yeah. SECWARS 9 (25-34) is likely "eight months" after the Axis crossover, just like SECWARS 1 is. Whatever Reed & co. did to fix everything, I'm not sure how "long" it took, but it obviously involved rolling back time because at least eight YEARS passed on Battleworld; it's not eight years later, right?

Of course, there's still Spider-Woman being visibly pregnant after Secret Wars when she wasn't before. Did we ever learn when she got pregnant/who the father is? Could she have been, say, three or four months pregnant in SECWARS 1? Meaning, pregnant but not visibly?
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After Secret Wars, all series jumped to "Eight Months Later" - the problem is that's simply not possible. Everything at that point isn't happening at the same time. Some stories are clearly occurring before or after others. It's an editorial imperative placed on the writers that doesn't hold up when an attempt is made to place the stories in context and continuity. The only way it seems to work at all is to simply place all of the stories somewhere within the "eight months," in the order in which events appear to unfold.

Time spent on Battleworld is eradicated, and everyone experienced the Final Incursion as a brief moment that they can barely remember, sorta like Crisis on Infinite Earths, if i may be so bold as mention such an event.

Spider-Woman is revealed to have been artificially impregnated thru a sperm donor. There are several markers thru her pregnancy, at six months, 34 weeks, two weeks prior to birth, and birth, all of which are noted in the list, or should be. We are not given any indication of exactly when Jess became pregnant, so there's no reason it couldn't have been prior to Secret Wars, and in fact the way we have the list sorted at the moment, that would very likely be the case.
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Col_Fury wrote: Sun May 13, 2018 10:43 pm So anyway, yeah. SECWARS 9 (25-34) is likely "eight months" after the Axis crossover, just like SECWARS 1 is. Whatever Reed & co. did to fix everything, I'm not sure how "long" it took, but it obviously involved rolling back time because at least eight YEARS passed on Battleworld; it's not eight years later, right?

Of course, there's still Spider-Woman being visibly pregnant after Secret Wars when she wasn't before. Did we ever learn when she got pregnant/who the father is? Could she have been, say, three or four months pregnant in SECWARS 1? Meaning, pregnant but not visibly?
Per Spider-Woman #5, there's no father: it was donor sperm. She had been dating a guy she'd met online, her period was late, pregnancy test was negative, she realized she wanted a kid, she waited three months or so, she made an appointment.

As far as the eight-month gap(s): the first one starts right after Avengers #34/New Avengers #23 (and includes the AXIS period, I think). When T'Challa and Reed change things at the end of Secret Wars, the change goes back to New Avengers #1. We know that everything is PRETTY much the same for MOST of the comics in the pre-SW era, up to and including a big crisis involving incursions, but it's not all the same: Tony and Steve, for instance, didn't get squashed by a Helicarrier, and Axis appears to have not gone down in a very similar way.

So aside from what happened with the Illuminati et al., everything in continuity up to the point when Cap remembers being brainwashed and Namor goes off to assemble the Cabal to kill worlds went down PRETTY much the same way in the revised, post-SW timeline. (There may be slight differences, in a butterfly-effect sort of way; maybe one of them is that Jessica Drew decided she wanted to get pregnant after all.) Everything after that point is much more subject to change, to a greater or lesser degree. In some cases it's still very similar (Kamala Khan, in that big crisis, reveals her secret to her mother, who knows it already). In some cases it's very different (Tony Stark's character arc). But the second "eight months later" jump can definitely overlap substantially with the first, I think.

As for the eight years on Battleworld: Battleworld existed outside ordinary space-time--a burger Miles had been carrying in his pocket would not ordinarily have lasted eight years.

ALSO: there is a very easy fix for the Zenn-Lavian vase problem. It was "a gift from the Surfer." He made it for the Visions, from what he remembered, because the Power Cosmic can do literally anything it needs to do.
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Clive_Reston wrote: Mon May 14, 2018 12:16 am ALSO: there is a very easy fix for the Zenn-Lavian vase problem. It was "a gift from the Surfer." He made it for the Visions, from what he remembered, because the Power Cosmic can do literally anything it needs to do.
That is so simple - wish i'd thought of that. :thumbsup:
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StrayLamb wrote:
Clive_Reston wrote:Spider-Man/Deadpool #6 is somewhere between Amazing Spider-Man (2015) #1 and Spider-Man/Deadpool #1, per an editorial note.
Pages 1-19 take place during early shooting for the Deadpool movie, so mid-to late March, page 20 is just after the movie has been released
I haven’t read any Spider-Man/Deadpool yet, but it usually takes about three years (give or take) for a movie to go from pre-production to theatrical release. It sounds like the first 19 pages would be a flashback to sometime before Secret Wars. Does that work?

Let’s say (for the moment) that there isn’t another 8-month time jump following SECRET WARS and see what happens.

I’ve only flipped thru Carnage #1, but I don’t see why the diner seen there has to be the same diner seen in Point One. It’s pretty clear he’s travelling across the country causing mayhem; who can say that Point One wasn’t in Nebraska or Oklahoma? (Carnage #1 says it’s Minnesota) Any reason Carnage can’t be on the loose for several months before his series starts?

Having said that (unhooking Carnage from Point One, no 8 months later), just looking at dates and taking them at face value we get:

SECRET WARS: July
Vision #1-3: September thru October
Point One: Halloween
Vote Loki: late October / early November
Contest of Champions #1-6 (shortly after Point One)
Vision #4-6: early December
Avengers Standoff: December / January? (the end of football instead of the start?)
Vision #8-12: January
Spider-Man/Deadpool #6: February
Spider-Woman #1: March? (roughly 34 weeks after July)
Carnage #1-11 / Silk #2-8 / Spider-Woman #6-7: April-May
CIVIL WAR II: July

Which largely lines up with publication order.

I’m getting started, by the way. :)
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Col_Fury wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 7:44 pm I haven’t read any Spider-Man/Deadpool yet, but it usually takes about three years (give or take) for a movie to go from pre-production to theatrical release. It sounds like the first 19 pages would be a flashback to sometime before Secret Wars. Does that work?
I worked that from actual filming dates March 23-May 29 2015, as that seems to be where this fits - it's after pre-production and at the beginning of filming. The theatrical release date was Feb 12 2016 in the USA. Page 20 could be moved forward if necessary..
Col_Fury wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 7:44 pm Let’s say (for the moment) that there isn’t another 8-month time jump following SECRET WARS and see what happens.
Yes please, let's do that - i've been aiming for that myself :)
Col_Fury wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 7:44 pm I’ve only flipped thru Carnage #1, but I don’t see why the diner seen there has to be the same diner seen in Point One. It’s pretty clear he’s travelling across the country causing mayhem; who can say that Point One wasn’t in Nebraska or Oklahoma? (Carnage #1 says it’s Minnesota) Any reason Carnage can’t be on the loose for several months before his series starts?
I could live with that..
Col_Fury wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 7:44 pm SECRET WARS: July
Vision #1-3: September thru October
Point One: Halloween
Vote Loki: late October / early November
Contest of Champions #1-6 (shortly after Point One)
Vision #4-6: early December
Avengers Standoff: December / January? (the end of football instead of the start?)
Vision #8-12: January
Spider-Man/Deadpool #6: February
Spider-Woman #1: March? (roughly 34 weeks after July)
Carnage #1-11 / Silk #2-8 / Spider-Woman #6-7: April-May
CIVIL WAR II: July
September is just the earliest that Standoff can occur - late in the season may work as well..

Squishing everything into one year sounds nice, but it may disrupt a lot of chronology markers for a lot of characters. Will the characters appearances still gel together in what appears to be the right order? It might be better to try and keep the chronology going roughly how we've thrashed it out, taking note of quite a few incidents and markers, and simply take out the dates. Having said that, as i noted earlier, it's not by any means unprecedented for a single year in our time to have to be broken up into two yearly cycle time periods within the MU. Marvel insists on publishing Christmas issues, for instance, and sometimes they just don't gel with the characters and events occuring in other comics.
Col_Fury wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 7:44 pm I’m getting started, by the way. :)
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I'm reading through the first handful of issues of Invincible Iron Man…

I can see splitting up IIM2 2 if needed as a last resort, but I'm not really seeing the need (besides, wouldn't the energy trail he's supposed to be following dissipate after too long?). Iron Man mentions at least twice in Contest of Champions that he's using an unfinished prototype suit, and he finishes the suit at the start of IIM2 1. Why can't COC happen entirely (or at least, COC 1-6) before IIM2 1?

I haven't read any Doctor Strange yet, but why do the first few issues of IIM2 have to be after DS4 1 (or so)? Yeah, Doctor Strange says he's busy at the moment in IIM2 2, but he's ALWAYS busy at the moment. He mentions Dimension Q in IIM2 2; do the first few issues of DS4 involve Dimension Q? He mentions there's a bunch of demonic stuff going on lately in IIM2 5, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's after DS4 1; this could be the lead-up to DS4 1.
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