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Captain America and the Invaders

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Takes place in 1941, March 18 to March 20.
The Invaders do not exist yet and the characters do not meet in their superhero identity.

Pages 1-4:4 expand on Cap 255 pages 13-15
Captain America
Bill Everett and Carl Burgos are added among the bystanders.
Jameson ? (character already in CA 255, where he was probably supposed to be a young Jonah Jameson)

Pages 4:5 to 7 continue directly from it.
Steve Rogers is informed he's going to board the presidential yacht as his next mission
Betty Dean
Baron Heinrich Zemo
Edward, Duke of Windsor flashback, Oct 1937
Wallis Simpson, Duchess of Windsor flashback, Oct 1937
Adolf Hitler flashback, Oct 1937

Pages 8-9 March 19
Roosevelt on presidential yacht on his way to the Bahamas.
Attorney General Robert Jackson
Vice-President Henry Wallace
Secretary Frank Knox
Steve Rogers
Jim Hammond

Page 10
"Night in the Atlantic"
Due to a storm, the yacht needs to reach Nassau early by 2 am (on March 20 then)
Steve Rogers
Jim Hammond

Pages 11-27
Edward, Duke of Windsor
Wallis Simpson, Duchess of Windsor
Franklin Roosevelt
Heinrich Zemo
Captain America
Human Torch
Sub-Mariner

Pages 28-29
Morning as the storm subsides.
Roosevelt
Edward, Duke of Windsor
Wallis Simpson
Steve Rogers
Jim Hammond

Pages 30
Recreation of the allegorical cover of Giant Size Invaders 1. Not any actual character appearance.

The placement is easy for Cap. This is before MMC70A (Spring 1941) for HT & SM. SM happens to be in Bermuda in HT 5a.

Burgos, Carl
CA&I
M/MC 34
ST 123

Captain America/Steve Rogers
CA 255 (9:3 - 15:6)-FB
CA&I
M/S-H3 3 (20:3 - 20:5)-FB-FB

Dean, Betty
MMC 21?
CA&I
MMC 25?

Edward, Duke of Windsor
CA&I-FB
CA&I

Everett, Bill
CA&I
M/MC 34
DD2 8

Hitler, Adolf
FORTUNE:ICHH&N /5
CA&I-FB (greeting Edward and Wallis Simpson in Oct 1937)
TBP:ZBB 3

Human Torch
MMC 21?
CA&I
MMC 70th An
MMC 22?

Jackson, Robert
CA&I

Knox, Frank
CA&I

Roosevelt, Franklin Delano
I think there is a mistake in the index of TOS 63. FDR only appears in 2:3 and 2:4 (so that it is not imperative to specify the panels)
TOS 63/2
CA&I
CA 255

Simpson, Wallis
CA&I-FB
CA&I

Sub-Mariner
MMC 21?
CA&I
HT 5a (in Bermuda)
MMC 70th An

Wallace, Henry
CA&I

Zemo, Baron Heinrich
CA:ME (12:3 - 12:4)-FB
CA&I
SGTF 8
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Re: Captain America and the Invaders

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Leoparis wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:23 am Takes place in 1941, March 18 to March 20.
The Invaders do not exist yet and the characters do not meet in their superhero identity.

Pages 1-4:4 expand on Cap 255 pages 13-15
Captain America
Bill Everett and Carl Burgos are added among the bystanders.
Jameson ? (character already in CA 255, where he was probably supposed to be a young Jonah Jameson)
This would be Walter "Old Man" Jameson, the automatic substitute anytime a writer who can't get their heads around the sliding timescale tries to use JJJ as an adult reporter in the 1940s.
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I'm sure Roger Stern has always understood that very well. A twenty-year old Jameson in 1940 would have been 61 in 1981. Perfectly legitimate.

The sliding time scale means that this is going to change every generation, just like the WWII Black Panther which could have been T'Challa's father in 1966 and is now his great-grand-father, or Sharon Carter's elder sister which became her great-aunt.
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Re: Captain America and the Invaders

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Leoparis wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:25 pm I'm sure Roger Stern has always understood that very well. A twenty-year old Jameson in 1940 would have been 61 in 1981. Perfectly legitimate.
Both Roger, and Roy Thomas, who wrote the newer issue you are discussing, generally do get the sliding timescale. Sadly there are plenty who don't, as the recent mini-epidemic of SHIELD appearances set in the 1960s demonstrates. Roger using JJJ in Cap 255 wasn't a problem; Roy using Jameson now is presumably down to Roger having used him already in the matching scene, but is now mildly tricky, thanks both to the sliding timescale and a number of stories that have now confirmed JJJ was at most a young child back in the 1940s.
Leoparis wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:25 pm The sliding time scale means that this is going to change every generation, just like the WWII Black Panther which could have been T'Challa's father in 1966 and is now his great-grand-father, or Sharon Carter's elder sister which became her great-aunt.
WWII Jameson being Walter Jameson won't need to change, since he's firmly set as a WWII era character, with no modern era appearances that would require him to be replaced.
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