SECRET EMPIRE to WAR of the REALMS

[StrayLamb]

The T5 13-FBs ("Days Ago" but actually weeks ago) take place during the events of T5 9.

A7 12, T5 9, T5 13-FB [T5 9 (2:2-4), T5 9 (10-11), T5 9 (5-9), T5 9 (12-17), A7 12 (6-20), T5 13 (9-10), T5 9 (1-2:1), T5 9 (18-20), T5 13 (1) ~ T5 13 (15:2), T5 13 (15:3-18)] (Cul reports to Odin from Svartalfheim), T5 10-FB

[StrayLamb]

Also, there's an A7 20 (1-4) Flashback to go in after A7 17.

A7 14-17, 20 (1-4)-FB (Capt Marvel returned to duty with Avengers)

[Siabod]

Small question

Currently:
IM 593 (19-22), 594-596, 598-FB (Spider-Miles appears) (Tony gets better, but not publicly)
SM2 234-239 & 240-FB (Goldballs returns) (SHIELD is gone a recent-ish thing) (still no web-shooters) (Stark “gone”) (Red Hulk appears) (Cable appears again) (after INFIM, Lucia von Bardas appears) (Champions appear) [3 or 5 days long]

However, at end of IM 956 Riri losses her suit, but she is in it in SM2 239
She gets her suit back in IM 958

I think they need to be swapped around
IM 593 (19-22), 594-596, 598-FB could happen while miles in hospital during in my SM2 240?
In fact could not 596-600 also occur in that time

In 596-600 Ceres is arrested, she was free and in SM2 239
Tony is back in 596-600, he shows up in SM2 240, but there are lots time gaps to allow this

[Siabod]

That note USAvengers needs to come before Avengers 675

USA #10 note specially says continued in A 675
In A 675, red Hulk is depowered
Canonball is fresh back from space

[StrayLamb]

Currently:
IM 593 (19-22), 594-596, 598-FB (Spider-Miles appears) (Tony gets better, but not publicly)
SM2 234-239 & 240-FB (Goldballs returns) (SHIELD is gone a recent-ish thing) (still no web-shooters) (Stark “gone”) (Red Hulk appears) (Cable appears again) (after INFIM, Lucia von Bardas appears) (Champions appear) [3 or 5 days long]

Also, i notice we have Ben Grimm appearing in IM 593 (19-22) while he's stranded on Battleworld with Johnny in M/2IO 7.

This requires further investigation. Thinking caps on, everyone!

That note USAvengers needs to come before Avengers 675

USA 10 note specially says continued in A 675
In A 675, red Hulk is depowered
Canonball I fresh back from space

Yep, U.S.A 10-12 definitely needs to go before A 675.

In my original personal chronology, i had placed U.S.A 10, 11 & 12 (1 - 19) very early in the scheme, specifically just before Secret Empire Omega 1, as it seemed to me to take place in the immediate aftermath of Secret Empire, with U.S.A 12 (20) placed immediately before A 675. In this chronology, we have U.S.A 10-FB listed very in the scheme. Does anyone know what this flashback is specifically, and how it differs from the rest of issue 10?

[michel]

In this chronology, we have U.S.A 10-FB listed very in the scheme. Does anyone know what this flashback is specifically, and how it differs from the rest of issue 10?

Col_Fury answered that on page 1 :

U.S.A 10-FB has Captain Britain and other European super heroes cleaning up Hydra cells. Then, U.S.A 10-12 happens pretty quickly; Sunspot’s team rescues Cannonball and it’s pretty great.

[StrayLamb]

There are multiple flashback scenes in U.S.A 10.

U.S.A 10 (1 - 2)-FB Boston, "Not Long Ago" [Capt Britain, the Champions of Europe, Squirrel Girl & Enigma cleaning up Hydra cells]
U.S.A 10 (3) The White House, 2:15pm
U.S.A 10 (4 - 6)-FB Helicarrier Douglass, 9:02am [Maverick has been stuck in his Red Hulk form for roughly 800 hours, or around 33 days]
U.S.A 10 (7 - 8) The White House, 2:17pm
U.S.A 10 (9 - 10)-FB Project Pegasus, 8:10am
U.S.A 10 (11 - 12) The White House, 2:18pm
U.S.A 10 (16 - 18)-FB The White House, 2:25pm
U.S.A 10 (19 - 20)-FB The K'Katu, in Earth Orbit
U.S.A 10 (13) Helicarrier Douglass, 3:44pm
U.S.A 10 (14 - 15) Helicarrier Douglass, 4:01pm

Roberto in the White House "seems" to be not very long after (1-2)-FB.

For Red Hulk, U.S.A 10-12 should go at least go before ASM 789 ("weeks after Secret Empire") & CA 695 ("A Few Months after Secret Empire"). Also, Maverick shouldn't appear as Red Hulk after A 675-690.

I personally dislike Tony Stark appearing in SM2 240 prior to IM 600 unless he absolutely has to.

For the reasons given by Siabod, SM2 235-239, 240-FB should occur prior to IM 596.

Here's a possible solution. This *seems* to tick all the boxes, unless i've missed something?

U.S.A 10 (1 - 2)-FB Boston, "Not Long Ago" [Capt Britain, the Champions of Europe, Squirrel Girl & Enigma cleaning up Hydra cells]
U.S.A 10 (4 - 6)-FB Helicarrier Douglass, 9:02am [Maverick has been stuck in his Red Hulk form for roughly 800 hours, or around 33 days]
U.S.A 10 (9 - 10)-FB Project Pegasus, 8:10am
U.S.A 10 (3) The White House, 2:15pm
U.S.A 10 (7 - 8) The White House, 2:17pm
U.S.A 10 (11 - 12) The White House, 2:18pm
U.S.A 10 (16 - 18)-FB The White House, 2:25pm
U.S.A 10 (19 - 20)-FB The K'Katu, in Earth Orbit
U.S.A 10 (13) Helicarrier Douglass, 3:44pm
U.S.A 10 (14 - 15) Helicarrier Douglass, 4:01pm
U.S.A 11
U.S.A 12 (1 - 19)
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M/2IO 3-6 (Thing & Torch unavailable until M/2IO 10) (before IM 600)
SM2 20-FB
SM2 20-21 (Miles loses web-shooters) (Cable appears) [“two weeks after” SM2 19]
M/2IO@ 1 (before IM 600)
M/2IO 7 (before IM 600)
IM 593 (19-22), 594-595 (Spider-Miles appears)
M/2IO 8-10 (Thing & Torch return) (before PPSSM 308, FF6 1) [Let's assume two months on Battleworld isn't so long on E-616]
SM2 234-239 & 240-FB (Goldballs returns) (SHIELD is gone a recent-ish thing) (still no web-shooters) (Stark “gone”) (Red Hulk appears) (Cable appears again) (after INFIM, Lucia von Bardas appears) (Champions appear) [3 or 5 days long]
SM2 240 (1-10) (Stark appears) ["34 hours" after SM2 240-FB]
SM2 240 (15-20) (Miles leaves hospital after "Two Weeks")
U.S.A 12 (20) ["Soon" - actually immediately before A 675]
A 675-690 (Spider-Miles appears)
IM 596, 598-FB, 597-600 (Spider-Miles & Cable appear together) (after M/2IO@ 1 & M/2IO 7)

[StrayLamb]

There are some flashbacks from Spider-Man & The League of Realms 1 & 2 to be inserted before T 702-706.

Specifically, they appear to occur just prior to T 702, before the destruction of Asgardia. Malekith visits the Queen of Angels in Mighty Thor: Gates of Valhalla, but this is after the destruction of Asgardia, and must be after the flashback scenes..

Spider-Man & the League of Realms 2 (1 - 2:4)-FB [Angels Fernande and Anemone pursue an illicit love affair]
Spider-Man & the League of Realms 2 (2:5 - 3:3)-FB [Malekith makes a deal with the Queen of Angels to destroy Asgard for them on the sole condition that he kill any one Angel]
Spider-Man & the League of Realms 1 (6:3)-FB ~ Spider-Man & the League of Realms 2 (3:4)-FB [Anemone is chosen by lottery to be sacrificed]
Spider-Man & the League of Realms 2 (6:4 - 7:3)-FB [Fernande objects to the sacrifice]
Spider-Man & the League of Realms 2 (3:5 - 4)-FB [Fernande rushes to Anemone, but arrives just as Malekith slits her throat]

SM&LOR 1-2-FBS
T 702-706 (no more Mighty Thor, Strange still a vet)
MT:GATES

Also the indicia lists the title simply as Spider-Man & The League of Realms, so should probably be abbreviated to SM&LOR, rather than WOTR:SM&LOR.

[Col_Fury]

I'm not quite ready to jump back into this just yet, but a note for the (hopefully) near future:

Captain Marvel appears in ASTONX4 13, currently placed during LOCM 1 when she shouldn't be appearing in other books. Oops!

[StrayLamb]

I'm not quite ready to jump back into this just yet

I think i'm done on this one for the moment. Just for the record, when you do get back to this Colonel, i have no expectations (with apologies to the Rolling Stones) that you will take all or any of my suggestions on board. I put it out there for what it's worth (with apologies to Stephen Stills), realizing full well that it may not work in the overall scheme. If you can use any of it, all well and good, but if not, then no harm done. By the way, it's my intention to remove those long lists i have cluttering up the place once you've made any updates to this chronology.

[Col_Fury]

By the way, it's my intention to remove those long lists i have cluttering up the place once you've made any updates to this chronology.

Don't delete any of them, please. Think of it like showing your work and the solition, instead of just showing the solution. Also, we can always look through them if we need to be reminded why we came to the solution we came to if nothing's deleted.

In T5 10, Loki mentions that he's never celebrated "Father's Day" before (Laufey was upset that someone left him flowers).

Okay, i see what's going on. This is in the T5 12-FB, not T5 10, and is a completely different incident. You're just trying to confuse me. Guess what, it worked!

I've read T5 8-10 over again and i stand by my belief that the whole of T5 10 occurs "weeks ago." Thor 10 begins "Weeks Ago," and shows Odin sending Cul on his covert mission to Svartalfheim in order to discover what Malekith is planning. Thor 9 ends with Cul during his mission to Svartalfheim, as he contacts Odin with intel about Malekith's Black Bifrost. Also, in T5 8, Odin calls for mead and begins forging hammers alongside Screwbeard. In T5 10, Screwbeard is drunk from too much mead, and Odin has just finished forging his hammer. Again also, although there's a "Weeks Ago" box, there's no "Now" box.

The "Father's Day" scene in T5 12-FB is a reminder flashback of the scene from T5 10. So, T5 12 is "weeks" after T5 10.

T5 10 (1-3)-FB is the weeks ago bit that you point out.
T5 10 (4-8) has the drunk Screwbeard scene, and Thor and Odin begin to fight.
T5 10 (9-12) is the Loki "Father's Day" scene.
T5 10 (13-20) finishes the Odin/Thor fight, and is thematically linked to the Loki "Father's Day" scene.

So, T5 10 (1-3)-FB happens when you point out, and T5 10 (4-20) happens (probably) on Father's Day.

I don't believe we have ASM5 14-25 in the correct position.

ASM5 14 takes place after Miles Morales 1-3 as per the editorial note. ASM5 14 & 15 lead directly into ASM 16-23 (Hunted), which as noted is between school semesters. We have it placed in the January break, but ASM5 24 & 25, which take place a "few days" after Hunted, clearly take place during the Summer break, ASM5 24 specifically taking place on the evening of June 26.

I suggest moving ASM5 14-25 (1-31) to a position after T5 10 (Father's Day?), during the Summer Break. ASM 25 (32-45) is at the start of a new semester, so that would make it the beginning of September. Do we know when War of the Realms takes place? I haven't read thru that far yet. If it's still during the Summer break, then ASM5 (32-45) would likely take place after that.

P12 6xxx, 7-12 (at least 3 months since P12 1-6) & P12 13-??? would also have to be moved down to a position after ASM5 14.

[Edit: I see a note that War of the Realms takes place nine days after FF 5-9, so it would be during Summer Break.]

I finally found that editor's note about Rhino. Yeah, it's looking like ASM5 14-25 is going to be after WOTR. However, P12 6 (xxx-20), 7-12 can't be after WOTR, since Punisher appears during WOTR. Yes, Punisher attacks the government of Bagalia and does some serious damage in P12 7-12, but we'll have to assume Arcade's setup in Bagalia in ASM5 14 was largely unaffected.

M/K20TH 1-6 is problematic as far as chronology and even canonicity goes.

The angelic being posing as Karen Page notes that the X-Men should be active in Central Park, placing this prior to UX5 1-3.

Reed Richards is clean-shaven, and Sue has short hair, which hasn't been the case with either of them since their return from the Multiverse, and Steve Rogers is Old Man Rogers, being pushed around in a wheel-chair, which leads me to believe this entire series is non-canon.

Eh, the story happens in a world under illusion, and then the characters remember who they are by the end. I'm not too worried about it.

More to come...

[Col_Fury]

I have some questions about
FCBD2017:ANGOTG, ANGOTG 1-2, 4-8, 10, 12, and 3

In the FCBD , quill mentioned is the second time he been arrested by Nova Forces. I suggest the first time is in#5, when being chased by Adsit.

In #5 Quill has retrieved the gyroscope for Rocket's giant mech. I assume the mech is Galactus as seen in #1

In #3, Rocket talks about the gyroscope that Quill retrieved

So...
5, 3, FCBD, 1-2, 4, 6-8, 10,12 ?

Why is#3 posted so far back? Either way I think 5 needs to come before 3

Scott Adsit is with the Nova Corps in ANGOTG 5, but he doesn't join the Nova Corps until DP6 30. So, ANGOTG 5 has to happen after DP6 30. Good point about the gyroscope! I think we'll end up with this:

ANGOTG 5, 3, FCBD2017:ANGOTG, ANGOTG 1-2, 4, 6-8, 10, 12

ANGOTG 3 is where Gamora decides she wants the Soul Stone. It looks like it doesn't have to happen that far back.

[Col_Fury]

I think I found a way to move ASM5 1 to before Rogue & Gambit go to space.

[StrayLamb]

I think I found a way to move ASM5 1 to before Rogue & Gambit go to space.

[Col_Fury]

RUN5 23 picks up where RUN5 22 left off, and Doombot gets fixed. RUN5 24 seems to be shortly after that, but I think we’ll have to put a break between those issues; RUN5 24 starts another chain of events that leads into the Runaways leaving their base.

T’Challa finally returns to Earth in BP7 15, but he’s still bearded. Storm appears. Ends on a cliffhanger when a villain arrives in Wakanda.
BP7 16 has the heroes searching for the villain from last issue. T’Challa is still bearded. Storm appears.
BP7 17 seems like there could be a break since last issue. The heroes are still searching for the villain, but not in a “right now” way that they were last issue. Storm appears, warns that she may not be around all the time while thinking of the X-Men. Does this mean she’s preparing for the new Krakoa era? Also, when she thinks of the X-Men, Cyclops is one of the ones pictured. She doesn’t find out Cyclops is still alive until after WOTR. T’Challa is still bearded. Ends on a cliffhanger during a battle.
BP7 18 seems to be set between BP7 16-17; Storm learns about the stuff she’s talking about in BP7 17. Also, what happened to that cliffhanger? Also, the issue is mostly flashbacks to before T’Challa goes missing. T’Challa is still bearded.
BP7 19 picks up from BP7 17’s cliffhanger and finishes the battle. Or rather, the BP7 19 (“hours ago”)-FB does. Ends on another cliffhanger. T’Challa is still bearded.
BP7 20 picks up from where last issue left off. T’Challa is still bearded.

It looks like BP7 1-16 is one big chunk for T’Challa, where he can’t make appearances elsewhere. BP7 18 would be shortly after that, where T’Challa tells Storm what he’s been up to.

BP7 17, 19-FB, 19-??? Would be after WOTR, and possibly before the “now” portion of HOX/POX.

I think we’re just going to have to ignore T’Challa’s beard not being present in other books.

And with that...