WAR of the REALMS to EMPYRE

[Col_Fury]

an update:

WOTR
T5 15 [July 4?]
CHMPS3 7 [the night of WOTR's end]
A7 21 (Cap not in prison or hiding) [day after WOTR]
TSIM 14-FB, 14 [very shortly after WOTR]
T5 16
PKK 1-5 (Foggy appears)
UX5 16-FB, 16
V4 16 [less than a week after WOTR?]
UX5 17
CHMPS3 8-10 (before GOTG5 7 for Nova Corps)
UX5 18-21,22 (1-18:3) (Cap not in prison or hiding)
UX5 21 (18:4) ~ AOXM:O 1 (18:6)
AOXM:O 1 (18:7-30)
UX5 22 (19-28)
FLSS 1-4 (summer camp) (Piledriver not in prison)
FLSS 1-4 backups
CA8 7 (17-21), 8 (Cap goes to prison) (Piledriver in prison)
ASM5 25/2 (space suit Dr. Strange)
CM9 7 (20) ["ten days" after CM9 7 (10-19)] [July 14?]
FCBD2019:SM/V 1/2
ABCRNGV.DP 1 (1-8) ["weeks" before ABCRNG]
FF6 11
FNSM2 7-10
HOX 1 (3:1)-FB [mid-July, "five months ago"] [July 20?]
ASM5 30-31-FBs ["weeks" before ABCRNG]
SAVA 1 (1-5), FCBD2019:A/SAVA 1/2, SAVA 1 (6-32), 2-5, 7 (1-10) (Doctor Voodoo captured)
SAVA 6 (1-xxx) (no Punisher apps until after SAVA 6 (xxx-20)) [late July?]
MMSM@ 1
CA8 9-18??? (Misty appears) (Piledriver in prison) (Cap in hiding, eventually returns)
INV3 1-6 (Cap not in prison)
ASM5 25 (32-45) [start of school semester]
MMSM 1-6 (Ms. Marvel gets new costume) [second day of school semester]
HOX 1 (3:2)-FB [mid-August, "four months ago"] [August 20?]
FNSM2 11
M/TU4 4-6 (before CM9 8-11) (new Ms. Marvel costume) [during a school semester]
CM9 8-11 (Tony appears as Iron Man) [spans a week or so]
GOTG5 1-6 (after UX5 22) (CGR is sent to A7 22)
A7 22-30 / FCBD2019:A/SAVA 1, A7 31? (Cap appears as normal) (Iron Man missing / returns)
WOV:CCRNG 1 (Misty abducted)
IMMH 18-20 [8 weeks instead of 8 days since WOTR?] [August 26?]
FF6 12-13 (Hulk appearance)
IMMH 21 [shortly after IMMH 20]
INV3 7-12 (Krakoa preparing?) ["a few weeks" since INV3 6]
FCBD2019:SM/V 1 [shortly before ABCRNG]
DS5 18
ASM5 29
ABSOLUTE CARNAGE (Rick in bathtub) (Misty released) (Cap not in prison or hiding)
IMMH 22-24 (Rick gets out of tub) [a week since IMMH 20)
SAVA 6 (xxx-20) [late August?]
MMSM 7-8 [MMSM 9 is "next month"] [late August?]
VALJF 4 (1-3, 8-9)-FB (Moonstar at Krakoa)
VALJF 1-3, 4 (19)-FB, 4-5 (Dr. Strange appears)
BP7 17, 19-FB, 19-20??? (Misty appears)
ABCRNGV.DP 3 (18-20) ["weeks" after ABCRNG]
ASM5 32-36 / 2099 [autumn]
DS5 19-20
HOX 1 (3:3)-FB [mid-September, "three months ago"] [September 20?]
SAVA 7 (11-20), 8-9??? (Doctor Voodoo released) [autumn]
VALJF 6-7 (after DS5 20, before MMSM 9)
MMSM 9-11??? (Ms. Marvel loses new costume) (Tony as Iron Man, after DS5 20) [late September?]
FNSM2 14 (Ms. Marvel classic costume) ["a month" since FNSM2 12]
USQG2 46 (20) ["a few months" after WOTR] [early October?]
HOX 1 (3:4)-FB [mid-October, "two months ago"] [October 20?]
USQG2 47-50 (Tony as Iron Man)
GPSB! 3? (classic Ms. Marvel costume, Cap, Tony, Hulk, Foster/Valkyrie, space-suit Dr. Strange)
DS@3 1 (Doctor Voodoo appears) [October 31]
CM9 12-14??? (Tony as Iron Man appears)
HOX 1 (4:1)-FB [mid-November, "one month ago"] [November 20?]
HOX 1 (4:2)-FB [late November, "three weeks ago"] [November 29?]
HOX 1 (4:3)-FB [early December, "two weeks ago"] [December 6?]
HOX 1 (Krakoa revealed) [mid-December, "now"] [December 20?]
IMMH 25-26 (Cho, Namor, Tony as Iron Man appear, Krakoa mentioned)
T6 1 (1-7) (Tony as Iron Man appears)
TSIM 15-18, 19 (1-14) (Tony stops being Iron Man)
TSIM 19 (15-17) (Baintronics takes over Stark Unlimited)
TSIM 19 (18-20) (Iron Man 2020 debuts) [the New Year]
X5 4 [January 21]
IMMH 27 [one day, no mention of how long since IMMH 26]
IMMH 28 (Baintronics mentioned) [six days since IMMH 27]
INCOMING! 1 (Samson talks to Joe) (Arno already Iron Man)
IMMH 29-30??? (Samson already talked to Joe) [IMMH 28 was "last Sunday"]
T6 1 (8-20) (Thor turned into herald of thunder)
EMPYRE

STILL TO DO:

2020 FORCE WORKS #1-3
2020 IRON AGE #1
2020 MACHINE MAN #1-2
2020 RESCUE #1-2
AGENTS OF ATLAS v5 #1-5
AERO #1-???
ALPHA FLIGHT: TRUE NORTH #1
AMAZING MARY JANE #1-5
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN v5 #37-???
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN: DAILY BUGLE #1-5
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN: GOING BIG #1
ANNIHILATION - SCOURGE ALPHA #1
ANNIHILATION - SCOURGE OMEGA #1
ANNIHILATION - SCOURGE: BETA RAY BILL #1
ANNIHILATION - SCOURGE: FANTASTIC FOUR #1
ANNIHILATION - SCOURGE: NOVA #1
ANNIHILATION - SCOURGE: SILVER SURFER #1
ANT-MAN v2 #1-5
ATLANTIS ATTACKS #1-5
AVENGERS v7 #31-???
BIZARRE ADVENTURES v2#1
BLACK CAT v3 #1-???
BLACK CAT ANNUAL #1
BLACK PANTHER v7 #21-???
BLACK PANTHER & AGENTS OF WAKANDA #1-???
CABLE v4 #1
CAPTAIN AMERICA v8 #19-???
CAPTAIN AMERICA & INVADERS: BAHAMAS TRIANGLE #1
CAPTAIN MARVEL v9 #15-???
CONAN: BATTLE FOR THE SERPENT CROWN #1-5
CONAN: SERPENT WAR #1-4
CONTAGION #1-5
CRAZY v3 #1
CRYPT OF SHADOWS v2 #1
???DAREDEVIL #609-612???
DAREDEVIL v6 #1-???
DEADPOOL v7 #15
DEADPOOL v8 #1-???
DEADPOOL ANNUAL v4 #1
DEATH’S HEAD v2 #1-4
DOCTOR DOOM #1-???
DOCTOR STRANGE, SURGEON SUPREME #1-???
EXCALIBUR v4 #1-???
FALCON & WINTER SOLDIER #1-5
FALLEN ANGELS v2 #1-6
FANTASTIC FOUR v6 #14-20
FANTASTIC FOUR: 4 YANCY STREET #1
FANTASTIC FOUR: MARVELS SNAPSHOT #1
FANTASTIC FOUR: NEGATIVE ZONE #1
FANTASTIC FOUR: PRODIGAL SUN #1
FCBD 2020: SPIDER-MAN/VENOM #1
FCBD 2020: X-MEN #1
FUTURE FIGHT FIRSTS: CRESCENT & IO #1
FUTURE FIGHT FIRSTS: LUNA SNOW #1
FUTURE FIGHT FIRSTS: WHITE FOX #1
FUTURE FOUNDATION #1-5
GHOST RIDER v9 #1-???
GHOST-SPIDER #1-???
GHOST-SPIDER ANNUAL #1
GIANT-SIZE X-STATIX #1
GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY v5 #7-12
GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY v6 #1-???
GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY ANNUAL v3 #1
GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY: PRODIGAL SUN #1
GWENPOOL STRIKES BACK! #1-5
GWEN STACY #1-5
HAWKEYE: FREEFALL #1-5
HELLIONS #1
HOUSE OF X #1-6
IMMORTAL HULK #31-???
IMMORTAL HULK: GREAT POWER #1
IMMORTAL HULK: LAST CALL #1
INVISIBLE WOMAN #1-5
IRONHEART #6-12
IRON MAN 2020 v2 #1-???
JOURNEY INTO UNKNOWN WORLDS v2 #1
KING THOR #1-4
LOKI v3 #1-5
LOVE ROMANCES v2 #1
MAGNIFICENT MS. MARVEL #12-???
???MAN WITHOUT FEAR #1-5???
MARAUDERS #1-???
MARVEL #1-6
MARVEL COMICS #1000-1001
MARVEL MONSTERS #1
MARVEL’S VOICES #1
MARVELS X #1-6
MILES MORALES: SPIDER-MAN #5-???
MOON GIRL & DEVIL DINOSAUR #44-47
MOON KNIGHT ANNUAL v2 #1
MORBIUS #1-5
NEBULA #1-5
NEW MUTANTS v4 #1-???
OUTLAWED #1
POWER PACK: GROW UP! #1
POWERS OF X #1-6
PUNISHER ANNUAL v5 #1
RAVENCROFT #1-5
REVENGE OF COSMIC GHOST RIDER #1-5
RUINS OF RAVENCROFT: CARNAGE #1
RUINS OF RAVENCROFT: DRACULA #1
RUINS OF RAVENCROFT: SABRETOOTH #1
RUNAWAYS v5 #24-???
SAVAGE AVENGERS #10-???
SCREAM: CURSE OF CARNAGE #1-5
SENSATIONAL SPIDER-MAN: SELF-IMPROVEMENT #1
SHE-HULK ANNUAL #1
SILVER SURFER: BLACK #1-5
SILVER SURFER: PRODIGAL SUN #1
SPIDER-HAM #1-5
SPIDER-MAN v3 #1-5
SPIDER-MAN ANNUAL v2 #1
SPIDER-VERSE v3 #1-6
SPIDER-WOMAN v7 #1
SPIRITS OF GHOST RIDER: MOTHER OF DEMONS #1
STAR #1-5
STRANGE ACADEMY #1
STRIKEFORCE #1-???
SUB-MARINER: MARVELS SNAPSHOTS #1
SWORD MASTER #1-???
SYMBIOTE SPIDER-MAN #1-5
SYMBIOTE SPIDER-MAN: ALIEN REALITY #1-5
SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN v2 #9-12
TAROT #1-4
THANOS v3 #1-6
THOR v6 #2-???
THOR: WORTHY #1
VALKYRIE: JANE FOSTER #8-???
VENOM v4 #21-???
VENOM ANNUAL v2 #1
WEAPON PLUS: WORLD WAR IV #1
WEB OF BLACK WIDOW #1-5
WEB OF VENOM: GOOD SON #1
WOLVERINE v7 #1-???
WOLVERINE ANNUAL v4 #1
WOLVERINE vs. BLADE SPECIAL #1
WOLVERINE & CAPTAIN AMERICA: WEAPON PLUS #1
WOLVERINE: EXIT WOUNDS #1
WOLVERINE: LONG NIGHT ADAPTATION #1-5
X-FORCE v6 #1-???
X-MEN v5 #1-3, 5-9
X-MEN/FANTASTIC FOUR v2 #1-4
X-MEN GIANT-SIZE: JEAN GREY & EMMA FROST #1
X-MEN GIANT-SIZE: MAGNETO #1
YONDU #1-5

[StrayLamb]

I don't think that October reference was ever going to work. Currently, DD 609-612 is placed after DP7 9, which says it's on Valentine's Day. And if we push it forward to the October after WOTR, then Doug is splitting his time between helping Daredevil and working with Krakoa.

Yuck.

I thunk that might be the case. Yuck indeed.

I shall return to 1991 and see what the New Warriors were up to.

[Somebody]

Yeah, I've thinking about moving DD 609-612 to after WOTR. Another wrinkle, though, is Doug Ramsey is still working with Daredevil as of DD 609-612, but starts hanging out on Krakoa at some point. But man, DD 612 was published five months before WOTR 1. That's a ways out of publication order, but as you point out, DD 609-612 doesn't work very well happening before WOTR.

Doesn't matter. Cypher can't go to Krakoa before Uncanny X-Men (2019) #22 anyway, which is after WOTR, because (per the script from the HOX 1 Director's Cut):

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And he already has that arm when Xavier recruits him to talk to Krakoa in the "months ago" flashback in POX 4.

[Col_Fury]

Stuff that happens after WOTR where Daredevil appears in his red suit: T5 15, M/C 1001, PKK 3, ASM5 35, 37.

T5 15 and PKK 3 are shortly after WOTR, so those should be fine before DD 609-612. Currently “early July.”

M/C 1001 is a one-page scene of red suit Daredevil swinging over the city while he thinks to himself. Published the same month as ASM5 31-32.

ASM5 35 has Daredevil in his red suit fighting Doombots alongside Luke Cage, Jessica Jones and Iron Fist. Shortly after that is ASM5 37-FB, Daredevil in his red suit, but it’s one panel and Spider-Man’s asking him his thoughts about seeing the future. These are currently placed in the “autumn.” In theory, these could go in that week after he’s recovered in MWF 5 and before his accident in DD6 1.

Also, Spider-Man and Punisher appear in DD6 1-5. Punisher can’t appear elsewhere until SAVA 6 ends, but I currently have that in “late August,” so that should be fine.

INCOMING! 1 is squarely in the current status quo.

WOBW 4 has Matt going to court, not in a Daredevil suit. I’ll have to read the mini (I just flipped through this one issue) to see where it fits overall, but it definitely can’t go while he’s in traction. It could go after his accident where he’s no longer a lawyer but rather bail bondsman (or whatever it is); he’d still be going to court occasionally for that kind of stuff, I’m sure. Also, WOBW 1-5 came out the same months as DD6 11-16, so there's that.

So… yeah. It looks like DD 609-612 can work after WOTR. Just as long as DD 612 is before POX 4 (7-14)-FB, and POX 4 (7-14)-FB is after UX5 22.

[Col_Fury]

Iron Man appears in WOBW 1, and Captain America is -BTS (so, not in prison). Winter Soldier appears in WOBW 2, Yelena Belova in WOBW 3, Matt Murdock in WOBW 4-FB, Hawkeye in WOBW 4 & -FB, everyone but Matt shows up in WOBW 5, and Cap joins as well. Black Widow’s memory problems are fixed by the end.

WOBW 1-5 happens over a few days, maybe a week.

[Col_Fury]

CNTGN (Contagion) 1 has a Fantastic Four appearance. Thing’s arm is not in a cast, so not between FF6 13 (where he gets it) and 14 (where he’s still wearing it). Published the same month as FF6 15.

CNTGN 2 has a Doctor Strange appearance, same month as DS5 20. Iron Fist says the X-Men are being a bunch of weirdos right now. The Avengers appear (Tony as Iron Man, current regular Thor, Captain America not in hiding). Cloak and Dagger appear, published before their appearance in AMJ 4.

CNTGN 3 has a Punisher and Elektra appearance. Same month as DD6 12. Moon Knight appears, published after his annual and before Conan: Serpent War (Moon Knight’s in that, right?). The Wrecking Crew (complete with Thunderball) appears.

CNTGN 4 continues the plot and lasts six days. CNTGN 1-3 & 4’s start are all on the same night.

CNTGN 5 wraps up the plot. Also, CNTGN 1-5 all came out in the same month.

FF6 14-19 has the FF going into space. Thing is still wearing his cast in #18 and #19’s not out yet. And I’ve just noticed that Thing appears in Absolute Carnage after FF6 13, and he has no cast in Absolute Carnage. Also, there’s a two week gap in FF6 13 where the Thing is unconscious. I need to flip through some letters pages and figure out why I was so convinced Hulk’s appearance in FF6 12-13 went between IMMH 20-21.

[Col_Fury]

Thing appears in T5 15, FF:4YS 1, FLSS 2, M/C 1000, MG&DDINO 46-47, the Prodigal Sun one-shots, FNSM2 12-14, the Absolute Carnage crossover, CNTGN 1-5, HOX 6, FF:NZ 1, the Annihilation one-shots, INCOMING! 1, INV3 12, none of which is he wearing a cast.

I’m not finding anything that says FF6 12-13 happens between IMMH 20-21. They were published the same month, which might be where I got the idea from. Earlier letters pages in IMMH pointed out where his guest spots fit in (A:NRH, the Best Defense one-shots, Hulkverines!, etc.,) but I’m not seeing anything for FF6 12-13. Huh.

In that case, FF6 12-13 would need to happen after ABCRNG, and most likely after IMMH 24. Also, likely after FNSM2 14, and then there aren’t any currently placed Thing appearances in the list until HOX 1-6 (where, in theory, FF6 14-19 would go before). Hopefully, Thing isn’t still wearing the cast past FF6 19, though I wouldn’t be surprised if he takes it off in FF6 20…

[Col_Fury]

GOTG6 1 gives this order:

GOTG5 7-12
Annihilation: Scourge one-shots
INCOMING! 1
GOTG6 1

And references the space mission in NM4.

So that's nice.

[Somebody]

I’m not finding anything that says FF6 12-13 happens between IMMH 20-21. They were published the same month, which might be where I got the idea from. Earlier letters pages in IMMH pointed out where his guest spots fit in (A:NRH, the Best Defense one-shots, Hulkverines!, etc.,) but I’m not seeing anything for FF6 12-13. Huh.

In that case, FF6 12-13 would need to happen after ABCRNG, and most likely after IMMH 24.

[Col_Fury]

Thanks! And that's from IMMH 22.

"He's been sighted in Jersey..."

The mass grave (where Gen. Ross and several other corpses were found) was in Jersey, right?

"fighting the Thing on some tropical island..."

That's FF6 12-13.

This would imply Absolute Carnage happens before FF6 12-13. Sweet.

In theory:

IMMH 18-20
IMMH 21 (no Rick appearance) (either here)
ABSOLUTE CARNAGE (Rick in tub) (Thing not injured)
IMMH 21 (no Rick appearance) (or there)
FF6 12-13 (before IMMH 22) (Thing injured)
IMMH 22-24 (Rick gets out of tub)

Yay!

[Col_Fury]

STRKFOR 6 ends the immediate plot, but the group is planning to do something. Next issue will guest star Deadpool. I think things are still too up in the air at the moment to place this. Also, ads for the upcoming new Spider-Woman book has her back in her classic costume, as she’s seen in this series. So in theory, after her appearances in CA8 18, CM9 11, Absolute Carnage and maybe GPSB! 3 & 5.

MMSM 12 wraps up the plot, same night as last issue.

SAVA 0 takes place after SAVA 11 according to an editor’s note (SAVA 10 isn’t out yet). Doctor Strange visits Krakoa to warn Magik about Kulan Gath. The rest is a reprint.

[Somebody]

Thanks! And that's from IMMH 22.

Yeah, hence the filename :p

Also, ads for the upcoming new Spider-Woman book has her back in her classic costume, as she’s seen in this series.

That's a bait'n'switch. She's got a new, mostly-black costume for it.

[Col_Fury]

...? Then why put her in her original suit for Strikeforce? eh.

Thanks!

Also, DD6 1-5 happens pretty quickly, and Daredevil quits being a vigilante.

DD6 6-7 starts “8 weeks” after DD6 5.

DD6 8 is some time after DD6 7. Happens in a day.

DD6 9 has a Mr. Fantastic cameo; published same month as FF6 13. Brown leaves on trees. Matt hasn’t been returning his new friend’s calls, so at least a bit since last issue. Matt begins being a vigilante again, but not in costume. Also, he begins an affair with a married woman.

DD6 10 is “a week” since DD6 9. Elektra returns.

DD6 11 has a Spider-Man appearance; published the same month as ASM5 29-30, but that won’t work since we’re already past ASM5 36. Same night as last issue and into the next day. Ends on a cliffhanger.

DD6 12 is the same day as last issue. Kingpin flies into a rage and kills a rich guy. Oops. Matt accepts Elektra’s help in training.

DD6 13 says last issue was the other day. Elektra trains Daredevil. Det. Cole is put on leave for “a couple of weeks.” DD6 13-FB is Kingpin dealing with the murder he’s committed.

DD6 14 (1-5) is the same day as last issue.

DD6 14 (6-20) could be later if need be. The Kingpin scene says “ever since” last issue’s -FB. He sets up a meeting for “Wednesday”. Oh! Det. Cole is back on duty, so DD6 14 (6-20) is “a couple of weeks” since DD6 14 (1-5). DD and Elektra team up to take on the NY state governor.

DD6 15 Kingpin arrives for his “Wednesday” meeting. One day into night. Kingpin is thrown out of a building.

DD6 16 is the morning after DD6 15. Two days. Apparently, Elektra is no longer training Matt. Kingpin’s fine.

So… it looks like INCOMING! 1, where Elektra is training Matt, goes after DD6 12 & DD6 13-FB and before DD6 13, separated by “the other day.”

[Siabod]

Just a typo

UX5 18-21,22 (1-18:3) (Cap not in prison or hiding)
UX5 21 (18:4) ~ AOXM:O 1 (18:6)
AOXM:O 1 (18:7-30)
UX5 22 (19-28)

Should be
UX5 18-21,22 (1-18:3) (Cap not in prison or hiding)
UX5 22 (18:4) ~ AOXM:O 1 (18:6)
AOXM:O 1 (18:7-30)
UX5 22 (19-28)

[Col_Fury]

Thanks!

I take it back. Thing is wearing his cast here.

ANNISCRG:BRB 1-FB
ANNISCRG:A 1 (1-16) The Cancerverse invades the Negative Zone
ANNISCRG:FF 1 happens after Sentry & Mr F appear in BP&AOWKND
ANNISCRG:A 1 (17-30) Annihilus gets Nova’s help
ANNISCRG:NO 1 Nova and Annihilus go to the FF, but they left yesterday
ANNISCRG:SS 1 cancerverse Capt. Marvel destroyed, so after NO where she appears
ANNISCRG:BRB 1
ANNISCRG:O 1

Cloak & Dagger appear, published after CNTGN 1-5 and before AMJ 4. Gladiator appears, published same month as NM4 3-4. Johnny disguised Thing as Santa Clause, so near the holidays?

Thing is still wearing his cast in INCOMING! 1, so he might still being wearing it in EMPYRE. Also, FF6 14-19 will have to be before INCOMING! 1, because Johnny is wearing a bracelet in INCOMING! 1 that he gets in FF6 14-19. We might have to ignore some comics where Thing “should” be wearing a cast but isn’t… like HOX 1.

Also, GOTG6 1 makes it sound like the Guardians have retired since GOTG5 12 and haven’t been on any adventures since. So, the Prodigal Sun one-shots should probably go between GOTG5 6-7.

Speaking of Prodigal Sun, Thing has no cast, was published before CNTGN 1-5, and the FF think the X-Men are easily reachable. Also, an editor’s note says GOTG:PSUN 1 happens before GOTG5 7 and SS:BLK, so there you go.

Despite being published after, FF:NEGZ 1 has to happen before ANNISCRG. The FF aren't sure if Annihilus is still around, and Thing's not wearing a cast. Published after the PSUN one-shots and CNTGN 1-5. The second story has a cameo by Mr. Fantastic, is a Fantastix story, and probably happens around the same time.