WAR of the REALMS to EMPYRE

[Midnighter]

GSX:NC 1 is a bit difficult to place.
Nightcrawler sees an illusion of Thunderbird and thinks of him as dead. In XFOR6 9 Thunderbird is resurrected and is at the Green Lagoon concert.

Magik and Cypher are present Magik sees Cypher and Warlock separated for the first time and asks how long it has been going on. I'd say we're after the New Mutants space travel.

Lady Mastermind is a prisoner of the Sidri in the X-Mansion. She had already arrived in Krakoa in HOX 5, but evidently she had returned to the States and before returning to Krakoa she was captured.

Lockheed is present, without Kitty. In recent issues of Marauders he has awakened and seems headed for Krakoa, we will see based on this how it will coincide with the rest.

[Col_Fury]

I hinted at this earlier but didn't spell it out, but here's a stronger hint.

Cap's time in prison might have to go after Absolute Carnage. Darn you, long-running story arcs with no breaks for other books!

[Somebody]

I hinted at this earlier but didn't spell it out, but here's a stronger hint.

Cap's time in prison might have to go after Absolute Carnage. Darn you, long-running story arcs with no breaks for other books!

*glances at the issue*

Looks like a "death was a fake-out all along" twist to me.

[Col_Fury]

Well... After Ross' death in CA8, his spirit appears in IMMH. And then his corpse appears during ABCRNG. He really did die. And then he appears alive again in CA8 20. So, Ross has to still be dead during ABCRNG, meaning Cap has to go to prison after ABCRNG.

Concerning Ross' return, another recurring character in this CA8 story was dead before and is alive now. The explanation given for that character's resurrection was that they were basically wished back to life; I'm sure the same thing happened with Ross.

[StrayLamb]

Notes on Strange Academy 1 & Dr Strange: Surgeon Supreme 1-5

Strange Academy 1 has the students gathering at the school to meet their teachers, Dr Voodoo, Zelma Stanton, the Ancient One, the Mindful One, and their special guest teachers who will be popping in and out throughout the year, Daimon Hellstrom, Nico Minoru, Scarlet Witch, Magik, and Shaman. Dr Strange appears, and he’s sporting the longer soul patch goatee that he’s also seen wearing in the Dr Strange 2019 Annual.

It’s the beginning of the school year, but perhaps this is an orientation, taking place before classes actually begin. Based on the existing timeline, this would probably have to be the start of the January semester, and likely in the new year before Magik heads off into space with the New Mutants.

DS6 1-3 has Thunderball back to being a bad guy. Sigh. Perhaps he’s been corrupted by magic. Dr Strange is now wearing the pencil-thin goatee that he’s also wearing in DRDOOM, so this should probably be placed prior to that. At this point, i would place Strange Academy 1 after the Dr Strange 2019 Annual and before DS6 1. Also, the new Strange Academy is already up and running in DS6 5.

Also, Mark Waid appears to be contradicting himself. In the History of the Marvel Universe, he more than implies that Stephen was a practicing surgeon in the 1960’s, but here, he has a fellow staff doctor at McCarthy who was practicing at the same time as Stephen when he was young doctor.

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Notes on Doctor Doom 1-5

In DRDOOM 1 (1 - 13), Victor heads outside to see the last of the Autumn foliage; it’s also a full moon. If this is still 2019, and i assume it is, this could be around December 12, so just before House of X/Powers of X. Project Antlion is said to be the product of both Richards and Stark tech, but neither appear in the story. The tech supplied by Stark (Unlimited) would have occurred during the months prior to this, while Antlion was being built.

DRDOOM 1 (14 - 30) picks up “weeks later.” Reed Richards has created a new HERBIE android, that’s only just come online. Is this to replace the original HERBIE robot, who joined the robot rebellion in Iron Man 2020? If so, this is now after IM 2020. We’ll have to wait and see how IM 2020 ends. Union Jack, Silver Sable and Dr Strange appear. Dr Strange is wearing the pencil-thin goatee from Surgeon Supreme, along with checkered armbands, so after DS6 1. Must be after ASM5 32-36, where border skirmishes have recently begun between Symkaria and Latveria.

DRDOOM 2: When Kang asks what year this is, Victor tells him he believes it’s October 24, 20--. Since we’re already weeks after the last foliage of Autumn, the Oct 24 date must be bogus, unless it’s now October of the following year (2020). The writer may have forgotten that he wrote a “weeks” long gap into issue 1. Mr Fantastic is BTS in this issue, as he’s said to be leading the cleanup at Project Antlion, which is why he sent HERBIE in his place. Blue Marvel appears. Between 11:1 & 11:2 there’s a gap of what may be hours, but more likely days, while Victor is hiding out on the streets of NYC. It’s foggy in NYC and everyone’s wearing overcoats. Morgan Le Fay is living in a Queens apartment, and tells Victor it’s “a quiet place to hide out from Merlin, mutants, whomever.” Being “weeks” after the last foliage of Autumn makes this easily placeable after Excalibur, if that’s necessary. However, we may be reading too much into what really amounts to a throwaway line. Taskmaster shoots Victor.

DRDOOM 3: Victor finds himself in Hell, where he encounters Mephisto, but this could be an illusion, although the appearance of Death would seem to make this less likely.

DRDOOM 4 (1 - 2) is a flashback to one year ago. Winter.

DRDOOM 4 (3 - 20): Taskmaster, Silver Sable & MODOK appear. Blue Marvel & Tony Stark appear. Tony has a beard similar to that shown in Iron Man 2020, where he only has a mo’ in TSIM 19. I’m still thinking this all goes after IM2020.

DRDOOM 5: Winter. Blue Marvel & Silver Sable appear. Doesn’t Zora (Victorious) look a whole lot like Karen Gillan?

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Notes on Iron Man 2020 1-2

Iron Man 2020 # 1: Appears to begin not more than maybe a month after Iron Man 19, so perhaps around late January, but likely before Immortal Hulk 28, where Baintz is available on every Baintronics phone. Stark Unlimited signs are being replaced with Baintronics signs, and Sunset Bain is still reorganizing things at Stark, where she fires Bethany Snow. Wasp says she hasn’t seen Tony in “ages.” Tony’s hair has grown out to shoulder-length, but that’s got to be artistic license, as nowhere near the time required for this can have passed. Perhaps he’s wearing a wig? The original HERBIE robot is part of the robot rebellion. There’s a two-day break between pages 13 & 14.

Iron Man 2020 #2: The incident at the hospital (second half of issue 1) occurred “days ago.” A fully-recovered Stingray battles Captain Barracuda.

[Edit:- Midnighter notes below that in Ironheart 2020 1 Kamala's Law is in effect, so after Outlawed]

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Notes on ASM 32-36

ASM5 32-36 appears to take place prior to DRDOOM. Border skirmishes between Latveria and Symkaria are just starting, Countess Karkov is still trying to get back control of Symkaria, and Silver Sable begins the Infinity Formula treatments.

The ASM5 37-FB looks like it should go during ASM5 36, between pages 16 & 17, before Pete returns the Clairvoyant to Jamie with the new power source.

Could we place ASM 32-36 (1 - 16) & 2099 Omega in the one week break between pages 11 & 12 of FF6 19? This would account for the FF being on a mission. ASM5 37-FB, ASM5 36 (17 - 23), and DD6 1-5 would then go after the end of FF6 19.

Of course, further developments could prove me completely wrong on all counts. I need Jamie’s Clairvoyant device. Yes, then i could rule the world! Mwah ha hah! Hang on, i didn’t say that out loud, did i?

[Col_Fury]

In my personal headcanon, which is worth nothing, Strange has cast spells every few decades to make everyone think he's a contemporary. Similar to how he cast a spell to make everyone forget Peter Parker is Spider-Man.

[StrayLamb]

Well that makes sense.

[Leoparis]

If Dr. Bellamy was a 20 year-old intern in the 60s, he would be in his 80s now in 2020. Some medical doctors still work at that age.

[Midnighter]

In W7 2 we see Bishop, in a mixture of memory and dream, being attacked by the other Marauders controlled by the Pale Girl and, once in the water, being dragged to the bottom by a zombie Kate Pryde.
Since he was actually recovered, it is probably a memory up until the moment he ends up in the water. The fact that he dreams of Kate as a zombie, however, places this story after the discovery of his corpse in MRDS 8.
Considering that Kate appeared at least 5 days before in W7 1, confirms the idea that the current Marauders stories are placed in that 5-day interval, although it will also be necessary to check with X-Force and the timing of the first resurrection of Domino (which in W7 2 is resurrected a second time, together with Kid Omega and Jean Gray).

[StrayLamb]

Fantastic Four: Grimm Noir (April 2020) takes place on a night with chilly rain, but the epilogue is a sunny day. Reed's hair is still fairly well trimmed, similar to FF 19. This could possibly be in early December, just after Web of Black Widow 1-5. Grimm Noir is an enjoyable story, with several Hitchcock references. I also really enjoyed the Web of Black Widow series.

[StrayLamb]

T6 1 is a status quo change for Thor. At the start of the issue, Thor is no longer full-time with the Avengers and is spending more time ruling Asgard. Tony Stark appears as Iron Man (alongside the rest of the current Avengers lineup). By the end of the issue, an injured Galactus transforms Thor into the herald of thunder, explaining his new look.

Over in INCOMING! 1, Thor is with the Avengers in his recently-modern normal look… and Tony Stark is no longer Iron Man. I think we’re going to have to open a gap in T6 1.

T6 1 (1-7) is where Tony and the Avengers appear. Tony congratulates Thor on his “retirement” from the Avengers.

T6 1 (8-30) says it’s been “many months” since WOTR, and Thor is ruling Asgard. Loki appears. Injured Galactus (missing an arm!) appears. Silver Surfer appears. Galactus warns Thor of a looming threat and Thor is transformed to deal with it.

In theory:

IMMH 25-26 (Cho, Namor, Tony as Iron Man appear, Krakoa mentioned)
T6 1 (1-7) (Tony as Iron Man appears)
TSIM 15-18, 19 (1-14) (Tony stops being Iron Man)
TSIM 19 (15-17) (Baintronics takes over Stark Unlimited)
TSIM 19 (18-20) (Iron Man 2020 debuts) [the New Year]
X5 4 [January 21]
IMMH 27 [one day, no mention of how long since IMMH 26]
IMMH 28 (Baintronics mentioned) [six days since IMMH 27]
INCOMING! 1 (Samson talks to Joe) (Arno already Iron Man) (Thor w/Avengers, normal costume)
IMMH 29-30??? (Samson already talked to Joe) [IMMH 28 was "last Sunday"]
T6 1 (8-20) (Thor turned into herald of thunder)

There's a gap of several weeks between T6 1 (8 - 17) where Galactus crashes into Asgard, & T6 1 (18 - 30) where Thor gathers the Heralds. I suggest we place T6 1 (8 - 17) immediately after VALJF 8-9 if that remains in its current position, and change T6 1 (8 - 30) to T6 1 (18 - 30) to lead into T6 2..

T6 1 (1 - 7) (Tony as Iron Man appears)
VALJF 8-9???
T6 1 (8 - 17) (Galactus crashes into Asgard)
TSIM 15-18, 19 (1 - 14) (Tony stops being Iron Man)
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T6 1 (18 - 20), 2-4??? (Thor turned into herald of thunder)

[StrayLamb]

Looks like we're missing the flashback in POX 5 (5 - 13), in which Professor X and Magneto recruit Emma Frost to their cause. This appears to take place about a month before the main story in HOX 5.

There's also a flashback in HOX 6 (1 - 5) that takes place a month ago, in which Professor X broadcasts knowledge of Krakoa to the world. HOX 1, pages 5 on, occurs 4 days after they've gone public. X5 4 is also a month after the announcement. Hmm. There could be a gap of a couple of weeks between HOX 4 & 5. HOX 5 itself takes place over about 5 days, two between the start of the embryos and the rebirth of the X-Men, the UN meeting the following day, and the influx of mutants to Krakoa two days after that. The flashbacks in POX 5 ( 5 - 13) & HOX 6 (1 - 5) could then go immediately before HOX 1, which starts 4 days after the HOX 6 flashback. The dates for the preceding HOX installments would need to be put back by about two weeks for each one, and HOX/POX 1-4 would be about two weeks before HOX/POX 5-6. Does that sound workable, or not really?

I also noticed that in HOX 6 the Thing is carrying a heavy looking box and doesn't have his arm in a cast, but i don't think that's going to work out, and is probably an art error for that one panel appearance.

I'm also thinking we should be including the internal text pages within the stories in the page count, as they're often intrinsic to the story. What do you think?

[Midnighter]

in 2020 Ironheart 1 Kamala's Law is in effect, so it had to take place after Outlawed.

[Midnighter]

In Avengers 33 Thor is in space, heading to the Earth, and has the new look (long hair, no beard). So, this has to take place after T6 1 (18-20)-???, and consequently also Incoming and the events of Iron Man 2020 are inserted between the previous issue and this one.

[StrayLamb]

In FNSM2 11, MJ takes May out to buy some wigs, as she's started to lose her hair thru chemo. My wife commiserates with you, May! Pete has been out all night battling trolls, left over from War of the Realms, and it seems like this is supposed to be the first issue after that event. In ASM 26-28, May appears to be wearing one of those wigs. I would suggest that FNSM 11 goes very early after WOTR, while clean-up operations are still taking place, possibly just before DD 609. FNSM2 7-10 looks like it should go before WOTR. Possibly during the few days break between ASM5 23 & 24 would be a good spot for it. We don't want to leave Spidey with nothing to do! What do you think?