SECRET EMPIRE to WAR of the REALMS

[StrayLamb]

Here are the Marvel Comics 1000 episodes that seem to take place during this era..

Marvel Comics 1000/80 [The Silver Surfer has once again become the Herald of Galactus, but chooses to do good] (Probably soon after Infinity Countdown)

Marvel Comics 1000/4 [Roberto Da Costa explains to Jimmy Woo that he has discovered a trio of scientific investigators, known variously as the Scientists Guild and the Three X’s, who were present at the unveiling of the original Human Torch, and had a hand in transforming Jerry Carstairs into the Thunderer, aka the Dark Avenger, but have since vanished]

Marvel Comics 1000/22 [Tana’ri Dan’ae interviews Groot and Rocket, who have a disagreement over their motives for saving the galaxy] (Probably both just before GOTG5 1-6) [Edit: Nope, that don't work]

Marvel Comics 1000/9 [Jimmy Woo joins Namora on a mission aboard one of Bob Grayson’s flying saucers, telling her that the Dark Avenger, who used to operate in the 1940’s as the Thunderer, is the key to something he’s investigating; Namora explains that Namor’s recent actions have destabilized undersea relations, and she’s had to take drastic measures to prevent the emboldened Deviant Lemurians from invading Micronesia; Jimmy explains that when he was de-aged, he lost every memory after 1959, when Bob Grayson, who has been listening in, tells Jimmy he’s met the Dark Avenger, and whatever this is, it’s not him, it’s the Eternity Mask] (Probably during the gap between DP7 9 & UX5 10-15)

Marvel Comics 1000/16 [Jimmy Woo asks Ken Hale, the Gorilla-Man, to mind-link with the Celestial to find the location of the Eternity Mask]

Marvel Comics 1000/18 [As Jimmy Woo battles some Hydra agents, he tells Roberto Da Costa that Ken Hale could only get part of the story, but that Marvel Boy had it right, the Eternity Mask is the key to every story since Camelot fell, and that sightings include the Peasants’ Revolt, the English Civil War, and the Mayflower, when it was brought to America by occultists hidden amongst the Puritan Pilgrims; Jimmy tells Roberto that Ben Franklin is supposed to have harnessed its magic to help win the Revolution] (Probably between M/K20TH 1-6 & WH 8-12)

[Somebody]

Also M/C 1000/66 "Part of Your World", which appears to take place during Tom Taylor's All-New Wolverine run or the follow-up X-23 run.

Fighting Fin Fang Foom outside their window are:

• Captain America (classic suit)
• Deadpool
• Thing
• Thor (Odinson, gold hammer/gold arm)
• Ms Marvel (Kamala)
• Wasp (Nadia)
• Jean Grey (X-Men Red costume)
• Storm (X-Men Red costume)
• Namor (speedos)
• Black Panther
• Hulk (torn purple trousers imply it's Banner - but it''s daylight, so it must be Cho?)
• Daredevil (red suit)
• Squirrel Girl
• Vision
• Iron Man (Tony)
• Ant-Man
• Nova (Rich)
• Spider-Man (Parker)
• Captain Marvel (Danvers, short hair)
• Black Bolt
• Human Torch
• Dr Strange

[Leoparis]

[*]Hulk (torn purple trousers imply it's Banner - but it''s daylight, so it must be Cho?)

Recent Hulk stories show that Banner can turn into the Hulk in daytime but the savage Hulk takes over. There is a loose hierarchy. In the daytime Banner rules, although sometimes Joe Fixit can control Banner's body. At night it's the thuggish Hulk that takes over. If Banner turns into Hulk in the daytime, the thuggish Hulk has difficulty keeping control and if stressed, the savage Hulk will take control of the Hulk body.

[Somebody]

Also, M/C 1001/12 (Blue Beast/Teen Jean) and M/C 1001/17 (Kitty Pryde) are set some time during the X-Men Blue & Gold runs, and so very certainly before WOTR.

[*]Hulk (torn purple trousers imply it's Banner - but it''s daylight, so it must be Cho?)

Recent Hulk stories show that Banner can turn into the Hulk in daytime but the savage Hulk takes over. There is a loose hierarchy. In the daytime Banner rules, although sometimes Joe Fixit can control Banner's body. At night it's the thuggish Hulk that takes over. If Banner turns into Hulk in the daytime, the thuggish Hulk has difficulty keeping control and if stressed, the savage Hulk will take control of the Hulk body.

That's explicitly a recent, post-IMMH 24-25, development - following a whole string of stories where UV light/"sunlight" was Hulk's kryptonite, causing him to revert to Banner's body on exposure, never to the Savage Hulk. Banner is just now starting to trust the "Devil Hulk" enough that he can be out at the edges of the day (and even then, is "weaker" than the Savage Hulk, as he just found out in the most recent issue).

All of which is irrelevant to the time period in question, which is before even Fixit emerged in Banner's body for the first time, as well as before A:NRH, where exposure to sunlight made the Hulk revert to Banner even though it let Nyx take her power back.

[Col_Fury]

I've added THANOS3 1-6 shortly after INFINITY WARS.

I've also added WOV:FP 1.

I've also added FUFI:WFOX 1 and FUFIF:LSNOW 1 near-ish the end of the list.

Also, AERO 1-8??? and SWORDMAS 1-8??? might be sometime during this period, though SWORDMAS 1-8??? might even be before SECRET EMPIRE. I haven't really looked into it yet, and those stories aren't done yet, anyway. But here it is for future reference.

[Col_Fury]

I've added RUN5 24-27, 28 (1-5) to the end of RUN5 20-23.

[StrayLamb]

I've been looking at Alpha Flight: True North. There are three stories, all of which appear to be set in the here and now, bringing us up to date on some of Alpha Flight's activities. All three stories could stand together, or they could be split apart if necessary, but i'm trying to keep them together at the moment.

AF:TN 1 has Snowbird and Talisman in the far north of Nunavut during the Spring thaw. The issue has a release date of Nov 2019, which tries to place it between War of the Realms and Empyre, but as Empyre is set in early April according to Empyre 1, and due to the lack of snow, this is likely set later in the Spring, and may have to be the spring prior to War of the Realms.

AF:TN 1/2 features Puck, Marrina, Northstar and Aurora. They have just finished a mission to deal with "the Beast" on Prince Edward Island. Aurora and Northstar refuse to return to base until they've worked on their suntans on Cavendish Beach, which is otherwise deserted. This seems to fit with the late Spring theme. Prior to War of the Realms, Puck is still stationed aboard the AFSS, but if we place this after WOTR, the next Spring is going to be after Aurora and Northstar are living on Krakoa with the rest of the mutants. I guess we could split this off from AF:TN 1, and place it between WOTR and Krakoa, and say the beach is deserted because of "the Beast" (or COVID-19), but that places it during the time that Puck is occasionally in IMMH.

AF:TN 1/3 features Guardian and Vindicator, and could go anywhere.

I suggest placing all three stories in the late Spring prior to WOTR. This allows Aurora and Northstar to be available, and we can assume Puck is on leave or something from the AFSS, to be available to deal with "the Beast."

The best placement i can find is between Dr Strange 11 and Captain Marvel: Braver & Mightier. This is late Spring, and before Puck becomes involved with the Immortal Hulk.

Any thoughts? Have i missed something important?

[StrayLamb]

I've removed a mess of ANGOTG issues, as well as GOTG5 1-6 and DD 609-612 & MWF 1-5.

I'm not sure that GOTG5 1-6 should have been moved out of here. The only reason i can see for doing so is to line up Cosmic Ghost Rider falling into Hell with his next appearance in Avengers 22, but there seem to be far more compelling reasons to list this very shortly after the conclusion of Infinity War. The entire story is a bookend to Infinity War. The opening page of issue one has scenes that take place prior to War of the Realms, eg. Odin on his throne in Old Asgard. An editorial note in issue two tells us this takes place prior to X-Men Disassembled. Beta Ray Bill's comments regarding the Inhumans being dead or in hiding place this prior to DS5 12-17, where Black Bolt has mysteriously regained his powers after they were permantly lost in Death of the Inhumans.

I would suggest that GOTG5 1-6 be placed as soon as possible after Infinity War, possibly shortly after THANOS3 1-6. It also needs to go after CGRDM/U 1-5 and DOINHS 1-5. CGRDM/U 1-5 should be placed prior to CGR's appearance in Thanos Legacy. Both of these mini's should probably be placed just prior to Infinity War, rather than afterwards, say between CGR 1-5 and IWARSP 1.

Also, GOTG6 10-FB needs to go between the end of Infinity War & Thanos 6. This flashback gives us a probably untenable time-frame to work with. After being reborn at the fall of the Infinity Wars, Magus was entrusted to Gamora for several months, before it was decided that he would be better off with Thanos. Meanwhile, Gamora set off to protect Rocket. This all has to occur prior to GOTG5 1-6. Black Order 1-5 also needs to be kept between THANOS3 1-6 & GOTG5 1-6.

At the very latest, GOTG5 1-6 should go before UX5 1-10, DS5 12-17 and War of the Realms.

As for synching up GOTG5 1-6 with A7 22, i would suggest that time in Hell runs according to its own clock, or that Frank is in Hell for the duration between GOTG5 6 and A7 22.

[Antonio Gaviño]

You currently have:

ANGOTG 12
MCM 9, CM6 125-126
...
ANW 25-30 (SHIELD still around)
...
CM6 127-129

Captain Marvel appears in ANW 27 and ANW 30, so ANW 25-30 can’t happen where you have it, and ANGOTG 12 happens after CM6 129. Carol heads into a parallel universe at the end of CM6 125 and comes back from it in CM6 129, where Peter Quill is mistakenly being held prisoner by Alpha Flight (Groot and Rocket are also present). The Guardians then leave Earth and are immediately recruited by the Nova Corps in ANGOTG 12.

[Siabod]

I think there is an error with:

X-23v4 1-5
SHURI 1 (4-20), 2-4, 5 (1-17) (normal size Groot, Rocket Raccoon, Storm appear) [2 weeks after 1 (1-3)]
BORDER 1-5
SHURI 6-7 (Miles, Ms. Marvel appear) [lasts a week, during a school semester]
WCA3 1 (18)-FB, WCA3 1 (19-20)-FB, WCA3 2-3-FBs, WCA3 4 (1-16), WCA3 1-3, WCA3 4 (17-18)
WCA3 5 (1:1-1:5)-FB (Namor throwing a fit)
SEASBTGS (Cable appears) (Dr. Doom appears) [late November]
ICE4 1-2
X:BLK-EFROST (bearded Nightcrawler, Rogue appears so before MR&MRSX 6)
ICE4 3-5

In X-23v4 #5 the Cucckoos have vanished (gone to Paris?)
However in ICE4 #4, Kitty talks about the Cuckoos (and Jean) sweeping for terroisty thought during the Mutant pride parade

[StrayLamb]

It looks like Jessica Jones: Blind Spot (Oct 2018) & Jessica Jones: Purple Daughter (April 2019) should go in here.

Blind Spot has Jessica working out of a new office. Matt Murdock appears as her lawyer. Captain Marvel, Spider-Woman, Spider-Man, Iron Fist, Iron Man, Wasp, Captain America, Silk, Misty Knight, and Dr Strange appear.

This should follow JJ 18, but there are some small complications, requiring a slight reshuffling of our list. Dr Strange has a full beard, so this should be before DS 390. Misty Knight is already working for the ACD (or Acid as i like to call it), so this should go after SENTRY3 1-5. Suggested new positions in Blue, original positions in Red.

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DP7 1-3 (Avengers w/bearded Strange appear, Sam-as-Nova appears, normal size Groot appears)
JJ 12 (9-20), 13-17 (Purple Man dies)
LC 170
JJ 18 (Thing appears)
SENTRY3 1-5 (Avengers, no Strange)
JJ:BS 1-3-FB
JJ:BS 1-5
DS 390 (Strange shaves beard, no longer a vet) [“less than 2 weeks” after DS:DAMN]
JJ 12 (9-20), 13-17 (Purple Man dies)
DEF5 10 (no beard Strange, blue cloak)
DS5 1 (1-10) (Strange loses powers)
LC 170
JJ 18 (Thing appears)
EX4 1-12
BRSCRS 18-25 (after THANOSLEG (8-9)-FB & DS5 1 (1-10))
HFW:WL 1-4 (#hotclaws Wolverine in -FB)
MK 195-196
TSIM 1
WKNDFVR:ASM 1, WKNDFVY:X 1, WKNDFVR:A 1 (no beard Nightcrawler, green She-Hulk w/Avengers, no Strange)
V@ 1 (after DEF5 10)
SENTRY3 1-5 (Avengers, no Strange)
IMMH 2
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Purple Daughter takes place on Dani's second birthday. She-Hulk appears. In Pulse 13 (March 2006) Dani's birth is announced in the Dec 4 Daily Bugle, so she was born either Saturday December 3 or early Sunday December 4, 2005. Purple Daughter has Dani's birthday party on a Saturday, so likely December 1 2018. Paul Bourcier has Pulse 13 occuring in August, but Kelly Thompson appears to be following Bendis. Thirteen of our years have passed, so we're now having about six and a half years of Marvel time passing for one of our years. Just as a side note, my family also celebrates birthdays and anniversaries on convenient weekends, rather than the specific dates.

I would place this just before LOCM 1 (1 - 20).

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SEASBTGS (Cable appears) (Dr. Doom appears) [late November]
ICE4 1-2
X:BLK-EFROST (bearded Nightcrawler, Rogue appears so before MR&MRSX 6)
ICE4 3-5
DOMINO3 7-10
SHURI 5 (18-20) [2 weeks after 5 (1-17)]
SHURI 8-10 (Storm appears)
MAJX 1-6
EXTRMNTN 1-5 (Cable dies) ("Searebro" still in Atlantis, destroyed)
X:EXTRNTD 1
BP7 1-16, 18 (Storm appears) (T’Challa returns)
NM:DS 3-6 (after EXTRMNTN, before ASTONX4 13-17)
ASTONX4 13-17 (after HFW:DE, EXTRMNTN, NM:DS, before ROW, MR&MRSX 6), UX5 (2)-FB
ROW 1-5 ("Searebro" gone, back to using Cerebro) (#hotclaws Wolverine back in action)
JJ:PD (first Saturday in December)
LOCM 1 (1 - 20) (no Captain Marvel appearances until this mini ends)
MSM4 36
TYPHOIDF:SM, TYPHOIDF:X, TYPHOIDF:IF
WCA3 4 (19-20)
MSM4 37
MERRYX HSPEC (Cable’s already dead, Arcade appears, Jubilee missing) (#hotclaws Wolverine in costume) [all thru December]
X-23v4 6 (after ASONX4 17) [near end of school semester]
SUSM2 1-6
MSM4 38
RUN5 12-14 [mid-December]
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[Somebody]

Matt Murdock appears as her lawyer.

Wait, when was Murdock last a lawyer in private practice? Wasn't he a DA for the whole Soule run, and he's not been a lawyer in the Zdarsky run. (This goes double if he needs to be in NYC...)

[StrayLamb]

Well, that's a good point.

When Daredevil unmasks for the Defenders in DEF5 8, he tells them he's their lawyer. Is it not possible that Matt could still be acting as their lawyer during this period, without actually being in private practice? If he's a DA, then he has a license to practice law. I don't believe that Blind Spot should go before JJ 18, as Misty comments on Jessica's new office. There's nothing in the story to indicate it should take place out of publication order for Jessica Jones and Luke Cage. Placing it before Soule's run on Daredevil would place it nearly three years out of publication order, and before the Bendis run on Jessica Jones. That would also place it before the Last Days of Magic for Dr Strange, which won't work.

At the worst, Matt acting as Jessica's lawyer is a minor anomaly.

[StrayLamb]

M/CP3 5/3 can't go where we have it. Eddie Brock is sporting long hair and the same look he had from V4 1-6, and it can't go after V4 9-12, where Eddie loses the symbiote. I would suggest a good spot may be three days after V4 7 (10 - 11).

[StrayLamb]

V4 7-FB is right after V4 6. Eddie’s on the run for “three weeks.” He’s captured in V4 7-FB, and is imprisoned by the Maker for “two weeks.” The current day portion happens over… ten minutes? V@ 1 would have to go during V4 7-FB, then. V4 8 happens the same day and Eddie escapes, then heads for San Francisco. The Maker looks at future visions of Infinity War and Spider-Geddon, so we’re still before those. There’s also a vision of the Unseen, so maybe before Exiles v4? V4 8 came out the same month as EX4 10…

V4 9 has Eddie arriving in San Francisco. V4 7-FB is referenced to as “last month.” V4 9-12 happens over a few days, ending with the symbiote separated from Eddie.

V4 13, a WOTR tie-in, happens after the initial elf attack. Eddie still doesn’t have the symbiote but gets a new one here. No real mention of how long it’s been since last issue, though I’m sure the intention was “not that long.” As long as Venom/Eddie doesn’t appear anywhere else between V4 12-13 we’ll be fine, though.

We have these issues placed in the middle of Summer, and while the narrative says only three or four weeks have passed, the art in these issues is screaming out Winter. I suggest we ignore the narrative and go with the art, moving these issues to the spot where WOV:CCRNG 1 used to be located, in mid-December (which had to be moved due to Misty Knight).

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MSM4 38
V4 7-FB, V4 8, WOV:CRNGB 1, WOV:VU 1, V4 9-12
RUN5 12-14 [mid-December]
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