SECRET EMPIRE to WAR of the REALMS

[StrayLamb]

SWORDMAS 1-8 is Sword Master’s origin. Doctor Strange appears in his blue cloak & axe look, so I guess we’re sometime during DS4. Story’s not done yet.

Sword Master 1-12 should probably be placed just after DS4 26. In fact, it could happily go just before FAL2 1-5, where Dr Strange is unavailable.

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DS4 26
HAWK5 12-16
X:G 9-11
DAZZ3 1
DHAWK 51
MOKF 126
PP 63
SSBL&WP 36
LEGION 1-5
ASM 789 ("weeks" after SECEMP)
DP6 36, DDP 287-291
ASM 790
A6 11
SOV 1-5
SWORDMAS 1-12
FAL2 1-5 (1 - 19), 7-FB
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[michel]

SECEMP
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TOS 103 (1-5)-FB ["one month" before TOS 100]
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This FB shows the Black Widow waking up with the Red Room after she's been killed by nazi-Cap, and being assigned as a sniper.
But Bucky recognizes her as a sniper in SECEMP:O (10 - 12)-FB, at the time of her funeral, so this FB should be moved at the end of the Secret Empire period.

[michel]

PPSSM@2 1 (after V 165, before MSM4 34 for Shocker, Strange in blue cloak)
OML2 31-35 (bone claws)
USQG2 31
RG&GAM 1-5
CA8 5-FB
FCBD2018:A/CA /2
CA8 1
ASM 797-801 / Red Goblin: Red Death #1

A footnote in PPSSM@2 1 places it after ASM 800, is there a reason it's been listed before it or is it an overlook?

[Col_Fury]

Oops!

Yeah, it looks like an oversight. Good catch!

[michel]

Col_Fury and StrayLamb, I would like to have some precisions about the placement of ASM5 1-5 and A7 1-6.

The new roster of the Avengers, formed in A7 1-6, appears in USQG2 37 (with Robbie Reyes) and ASM5 1(without Robbie). In this thread, ASM5 1-5 has been placed after A7 1-6 for a long time. If I understand it well, Rogue and Gambit's appearance in ASM5 1 made StrayLamb move ASM5 1-5 before A7 1-6, but then he puts back ASM5 1-5 after A7 1-6, then Col_Fury says he's found a way to move ASM5 1 to before Rogue & Gambit go to space., and in his next and final update ASM5 1-5 is now before A7 1-6.

But I don't see you adressing the new Avengers roster appearing before it's formed in A7 1-6, is that OK with you or do we need to correct this ?

[michel]

TSTRK:IM 1 happens at least after A7 1-6. Stark has a new company. Jim Rhodes, Bethany Cabe and Jocasta are supporting characters! Controller is the villain! It actually feels like an honest to Kirby Iron Man book!

Does it ? In TSIM 2, because Jocasta doesn't want to have an AI built in an armor, Tony suggests to have Motherboard, an AI running Project eScape, patched in to his armor. And in A7 1-6, Tony speaks to Motherboard in his armor. That would put TSIM 1-2 before A7 1-6.
In TSIM 1, while fighting Fin Fang Foom, Tony asks if it's too late to call the Avengers, but it could just mean former members.

[Col_Fury]

That's a good point about Motherboard.

Yeah, he could be talking about former members, or joking about calling the Avengers because he knows there were no Avengers at the time.

[michel]

Have the back-stories of the X-Men Black one-shots with Apocalypse been placed ?

[Col_Fury]

That's the story where Apocalypse is on an island with a bunch of nameless characters, right? It goes after his last appearance, X2 186/2, and before the Age of X-Man stuff.

[michel]

Fine, thank you.

[michel]

ICDWN:DHAWK 1-4
ICDWN:CHMPS 1-2 (Sam stops being Nova)
ASM5 6-7
FF6 1-4 (FF return) ("Phoenix" Wolverine appears)
M/2IO 11-12
X:BLK-MSTQ
DS5 4-6, 7 (1-14) (Strange returns from space)
ASM5 8-10 (Strange appears w/Kanna) (Mr. Fantastic appears)
DS5 7 (15-20), 8 (Kanna leaves Strange)

In ASM5 9, among the stuff the Thieves Guild has stolen to heroes, we can see Nova's helmet. But Scott Adsit takes the helmet back in ICDWN:CHMPS 2, so ICDWN:CHMPS 1-2 should be after ASM5 8-10.

[Col_Fury]

Works for me!

[michel]

CHMPS2 25-27 gets Sam and Wasp back. Wasp refers to ANT&WASP2 1-5, which is after IWARS (Ant-Man returns to Earth as a result of IWARS). Also, DP7 4 is referenced.

I don't think so. In ICDWN 3, Scott is shot and ends up shrunk and unconscious on a wounded Nova's body who is evacuated. The Guardians believe him dead. So in ANT&WASP2 1, Scott has Adsit contact Nadia Van Dyne for him, so she can get him back to Earth.
At the end of IWARS 6, Scott leaves with the Guardians, Emma Frost, Hulk and Ms. Marvel. I don't see the latter three going back to Earth but not Scott.
And in Col_Fury's listing, between ICDWN 3 and IWARS, Scott appears in FF6 2-4 (but he's been teleported to the FF like all the other heroes), and then in
ASM5 10 on Earth.

So I would put ANT&WASP2 1-5 a bit after ICDWN 3-4 instead of after IWARS.

[StrayLamb]

Col_Fury and StrayLamb, I would like to have some precisions about the placement of ASM5 1-5 and A7 1-6.

The new roster of the Avengers, formed in A7 1-6, appears in USQG2 37 (with Robbie Reyes) and ASM5 1(without Robbie). In this thread, ASM5 1-5 has been placed after A7 1-6 for a long time. If I understand it well, Rogue and Gambit's appearance in ASM5 1 made StrayLamb move ASM5 1-5 before A7 1-6, but then he puts back ASM5 1-5 after A7 1-6, then Col_Fury says he's found a way to move ASM5 1 to before Rogue & Gambit go to space., and in his next and final update ASM5 1-5 is now before A7 1-6.

But I don't see you adressing the new Avengers roster appearing before it's formed in A7 1-6, is that OK with you or do we need to correct this ?

Looks like i forgot to move ASM5 1-5 in the first list (it's only in red), but it was my intention that it be placed after A7 1-6, and i corrected that in my latest list..

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ICDWN 1-4 (Groot back to normal size)
FCBD2018:A/CA (1-10:1), A7 1-6, FCBD2018:A/CA (10:2), 8-FB (Strange bearded, blue cloak) (Avengers form, Loki goes missing)
V4 1-6, 7-FB (same time as A7 1-6)
A7 8 (1-14), A7 12-FB
M/CP3 2/3
DP7 1-3 (Avengers w/bearded Strange appear, Sam-as-Nova appears, normal size Groot appears)
DS 390 (Strange shaves beard, no longer a vet) [“less than 2 weeks” after DS:DAMN]
JJ 12 (9-20), 13-17 (Purple Man dies)
DEF5 10 (no beard Strange, blue cloak, Deadpool appears)
DS5 1 (1-10) (Strange loses powers)
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MR&MRSX 5 (19-20) (Rogue & Gambit back on Earth)
USQG2 32-35 [mid-August]
PPSSM 308-309 (after M/2IO 10) (before ASM5 1)
USQG2 36-40
ASM5 1 (1-30), ASM5 2-FB-FB, ASM5 1 (31-40), ASM5 2-FB, ASM5 1 (41-42), ASM5 2, 3-FB, 3-4 (Avengers, Rogue & Gambit appear) [mid-August]
USQG2 41 (during ASM5 1-5)
ASM5 5
TSIM 3
X:BLK-M
MG&DDINO 32-36 (Thunderball replaced in Wrecking Crew)
MSM4 23-24 [mid/late-August]
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Fury came up with a different arrangement in his latest list, retaining ASM5 1-5 prior to A7 1-6..

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USQG2 32-35 [mid-August]
PPSSM 308-309 (after M/2IO 10) (before ASM5 1)
USQG2 36-40
ASM5 1 (1-30), ASM5 2-FB-FB, ASM5 1 (31-40), ASM5 2-FB, ASM5 1 (41-42), ASM5 2, 3-FB, 3-4 (Avengers, Rogue & Gambit on Earth) [mid-August]
USQG2 41 (during ASM5 1-5)
ASM5 5
X:WED, X:G 26 (1-15), X:WED /2, X:G 26 (16-20), X:G 27-29, X:WED /3 (after RG&GAM & DS:DAMN)
X:G 30 (1-28) ("Phoenix" Wolverine appears)
MR&MRSX 1 (4-10)-FB (Rogue & Gambit in space)
X:G 30 (29-30)
MR&MRSX 1 (1-11)
X:G 31-32 (Psylocke Asian)
HFW:MM 1-4 (Psylocke no longer Asian)
X:G 33-35 (Rogue & Gambit already in space)
MR&MRSX 1 (12-20), 2-4, 5 (1-18) (before DDP 300)
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ICDWN 1-4 (Groot back to normal size)
FCBD2018:A/CA (1-10:1), A7 1-6, FCBD2018:A/CA (10:2), 8-FB (Strange bearded, blue cloak) (Avengers form, Loki goes missing)
V4 1-6, 7-FB (same time as A7 1-6)
A7 8 (1-12), A7 12-FB
M/CP3 2/3
DP7 1-3 (Avengers w/bearded Strange appear, Sam-as-Nova appears, normal size Groot appears)
DS 390 (Strange shaves beard, no longer a vet) [“less than 2 weeks” after DS:DAMN]
JJ 12 (9-20), 13-17 (Purple Man dies)
DEF5 10 (no beard Strange, blue cloak)
DS5 1 (1-10) (Strange loses powers)
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[StrayLamb]

CHMPS2 25-27 gets Sam and Wasp back. Wasp refers to ANT&WASP2 1-5, which is after IWARS (Ant-Man returns to Earth as a result of IWARS). Also, DP7 4 is referenced.

I don't think so. In ICDWN 3, Scott is shot and ends up shrunk and unconscious on a wounded Nova's body who is evacuated. The Guardians believe him dead. So in ANT&WASP2 1, Scott has Adsit contact Nadia Van Dyne for him, so she can get him back to Earth.
At the end of IWARS 6, Scott leaves with the Guardians, Emma Frost, Hulk and Ms. Marvel. I don't see the latter three going back to Earth but not Scott.
And in Col_Fury's listing, between ICDWN 3 and IWARS, Scott appears in FF6 2-4 (but he's been teleported to the FF like all the other heroes), and then in
ASM5 10 on Earth.

So I would put ANT&WASP2 1-5 a bit after ICDWN 3-4 instead of after IWARS.

If we say that ANT&WASP2 is actually September rather than October (despite the baseball playoffs), then we can arrange things a little to accomodate..

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MSM4 23-24 [mid/late-August]
PPSSM 310
TSIM 4
ANT&WASP2 1-4, 5 (1-18) (Ant-Man back on Earth) [baseball playoffs] [early October September]
MSM4 25-28 [early/mid-September]
M/R 0
MSM4 29-31[mid-September]
M/R:A
M/R:SQG/MSM, M/R:SQG/MSM /2, M/R:MSM/SQG, M/R:MSM/SQG /2, M/R:O (1-28)
MSM4 32-35
DS5 2
DD 606-608 (after HFW:WL)
X:BLK-MOJO
X:B 36
X:G 36 [a month or so after X:G 35]
MR&MRSX 5 (19-20) (Rogue & Gambit back on Earth)
X:R 1-FB, X:R 2-3, X:R 4 (1-13), X:R 1 (no beard Nightcrawler, Gambit appears)
M/R:O (29-30)
DS5 3
ICDWN:DHAWK 1-4
ICDWN:CHMPS 1-2 (Sam stops being Nova)
ASM5 6-7
FF6 1-4 (FF return) ("Phoenix" Wolverine appears)
M/2IO 11-12
X:BLK-MSTQ
DS5 4-6, 7 (1-14) (Strange returns from space)
ASM5 8-10 (Strange appears w/Kanna) (Mr. Fantastic appears)
DS5 7 (15-20), 8 (Kanna leaves Strange)
X:R 4 (14-20), X:R 5-9, 10 (1-8)
P12 1-5, 6 (1-xxx) (UN in session) [mid/late September] (no Punisher until P12 6)
X:R 10 (9 - 20), 11 (UN in session [mid/late September]
ANT&WASP2 5 (19-20) [Late October September]
ICDWN:BW 1 (Strange in New York)
ICDWN 5
A7 10 (41 - 50) (Loki returns, refers to ICDWNP 1) ("Phoenix" Wolverine leaves)
CGR 1-5
IWARSP 1
THANOSLEG
INFINITY WARS (Avengers) (Ant-Man returns to Earth)
IWARS ∞
ASGOTG 4 (12-20), 5
MSKRULLS 1-5 [early October]
THANOS3 1-6
ANT&WASP2 1-4, 5 (1-18) (Ant-Man back on Earth) [baseball playoffs] [early October]
RUN5 1-10 [middle of school semester]
T5 8, 10-FB
ANT&WASP2 5 (19-20)
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Would that work?