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UX 207-210 + XF 8-9

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XF 8 (4:1:1)-FB adds some dialog to Vera when she's interviewed by Trish Tilby in XF 7.
XF 8 (5:4)-FB shows Trish commenting after the fight between X-Factor, Grey Worm and Bulk.

XF 9 and UX 210 have some synchronous sequences.

ANGEL III/WARREN KENNETH WORTHINGTON III
...
XF 8 (22)
XF 9 (1 - 5:3) --> CHANGE TO XF 9 (1 - 3:3:3)
XF 9 (3:3:4) ~ UX 210 (16:1:1) <-- ADD
XF 9 (3:4:1 - 3:4:2)-OP <-- ADD
XF 9 (3:4:3 - 4:2:2) ~ UX 210 (16:1:2 - 16:2) <-- ADD
UX 210 (16:3 - 16:4) <-- ADD
XF 9 (4:2:3 - 4:9) <-- ADD
UX 210 --> CHANGE TO UX 210 (16:5)
XF 9 (5:4 - 22:6) --> CHANGE TO XF 9 (5 - 22:3)

XF 10 (1 - 18)
...

BEAST/HENRY "HANK" PHILIP MCCOY
...
XF 8 (22)
XF 9 (1 - 5:3) --> CHANGE TO XF 9 (1 - 3:3:3)
XF 9 (3:3:4) ~ UX 210 (16:1:1) <-- ADD
XF 9 (3:4:1 - 3:4:2) <-- ADD
XF 9 (3:4:3 - 4:2:2) ~ UX 210 (16:1:2 - 16:2) <-- ADD
UX 210 (16:3 - 16:4) <-- ADD
XF 9 (4:2:3 - 4:9) <-- ADD
UX 210 --> CHANGE TO UX 210 (16:5)
XF 9 (5:4 - 22:6) --> CHANGE TO XF 9 (5 - 22:3)

WCA@ 1
...

BLACK BISHOP II/HARRY LELAND
...
ASM:SE-FB
NM 22 <-- DELETE
UX 208
...

CANTOR, VERA
...
XF 5
XF 7 --> CHANGE TO XF 7 (1 - 6:1)
XF 8-FB <-- ADD
XF 7 (6:2 - 22) <-- ADD

XF 8
...

CYCLOPS II/SCOTT SUMMERS/"SLYM DAYSPRING"
...
XF 8 (22)
XF 9 (1 - 5:3) --> CHANGE TO XF 9 (1 - 3:3:3)
XF 9 (3:3:4) ~ UX 210 (16:1:1) <-- ADD
XF 9 (3:4:1 - 3:4:2) <-- ADD
XF 9 (3:4:3 - 4:2:2) ~ UX 210 (16:1:2 - 16:2) <-- ADD
UX 210 (16:3 - 16:4) <-- ADD
XF 9 (4:2:3 - 4:9) <-- ADD
UX 210 --> CHANGE TO UX 210 (16:5)
XF 9 (5:4 - 22:6) --> CHANGE TO XF 9 (5 - 23)

XF 10 (1 - 18)
...

HARPOON/KODIAK NOATAK
...
UX 213-FB
{UX 210} --> CHANGE TO {UX 210 (1 - 15)}
XF 9 <-- ADD
UX 210 (16 - 23) <-- ADD

UX 350 (31:2)-FB-OP
...

ICEMAN/ROBERT "BOBBY" DRAKE
MARVEL GIRL/JEAN GREY SUMMERS/"REDD DAYSPRING"

...
XF 8 (22)
XF 9 (1 - 5:3) --> CHANGE TO XF 9 (1 - 3:3:3)
XF 9 (3:3:4) ~ UX 210 (16:1:1) <-- ADD
XF 9 (3:4:1 - 3:4:2)-OP <-- ADD
XF 9 (3:4:3 - 4:2:2) ~ UX 210 (16:1:2 - 16:2) <-- ADD
UX 210 (16:3 - 16:4)-OP <-- ADD
XF 9 (4:2:3 - 4:9) <-- ADD
UX 210 --> CHANGE TO UX 210 (16:5)
XF 9 (5:4 - 22:6) --> CHANGE TO XF 9 (5 - 23)

XF 10 (1 - 18)
...

TILBY, TRISH
XF 7 --> CHANGE TO XF 7 (1 - 6:1)
XF 8 (4:1:1)-FB <-- ADD
XF 7 (6:2 - 22) <-- ADD
XF 8 (5:4)-FB <-- ADD

XF 8
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Re: UX 207-210 + XF 8-9

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Interested in seeing you revisit the Mutant Massacre/Avengers Annuals/Thor’s broken arm tangle next…! Beast’s current placement is… interesting…
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I don't intent to revisit it deeply, I know the MCP struggled a lot to come to the current listings.
I will point minor changes that I don't remember being considered, like the Nightcrawler one. Any help will be welcomed!
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Re: UX 207-210 + XF 8-9

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I believe we need to mix more the end of XF 9 and the beginning of XF 10, by "unhooking" some sequences:

XF 9 (22:1 - 22:3): 5 X-Factor + Rusty + Skids in the tunnels
XF 10 (4 - 5:2): 5 X-Factor + Rusty + Skids in HQ, Cyclops, Beast and Iceman go back in the tunnels
XF 10 (7:4 - 8): Angel asks Cameron Hodge to call a doctor for Rusty
[gap]
XF 10 (1 - 2&3): Morlocks hear screams, Marauders attack
XF 9 (22:4 - 22:6): Cyclops, Beast and Iceman hear screams
XF 10 (5:3 - 7:1): Zeek and Erg carrying Beautiful Dreamer, pursued by Arclight and Harpoon, run toward the 3 X-Factor. Cyclops shoots optic blasts at the two Marauders when Arclight begins to make the ceiling collapse.
UX 211 (17:3 - 17:6): Storm, Wolverine and Rogue arrive at a main tunnel, avoid an optic blast
XF 10 (7:2 - 7:3): the ceiling collapses and blocks the way
UX 211 (18 - 22): Colossus collapses a wall, also blocking the way
XF 10 (9 - 14): X-Factor saves Caliban, Leech and Artie from Sabretooth

I would also put T 373 (13:5 - 23) after PP 27 because I don't see Harpoon retreating from Thor with Blockbuster and Vertigo, then fighting Power Pack with Arclight and Scrambler, then fighting back Thor with Blockbuster and Vertigo again. T 374 seems to continue directly from T 373, Thor just has the time to check that Angel is still alive, and I only see Harpoon concerned by the change.

What do you think?
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Re: UX 207-210 + XF 8-9

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Suggested changes:

ALARIC II
...
T 366
T 374 <-- ADD
JIM 647

ANGEL III/WARREN KENNETH WORTHINGTON III
...
XF 9 (5 - 22:3)
XF 10 (1 - 18) --> CHANGE TO XF 10 (1 - 19:4)
UX 211-BTS
XF 10 (19 - 24) --> CHANGE TO XF 10 (19:5 - 24)
UX@ 16/2-FB
...

ARCLIGHT/PHILLIPA SONTAG
...
XO:GAM (22:2)
UX 211 (1 - 9) --> CHANGE TO UX 211 (1 - 10:1)
XO:GAM (23 - 26) --> CHANGE TO XO:GAM (23 - 28)

XF 10 (1 - 18)
UX 211 (10:2 - 17:2) <-- ADD
XF 10 (19 - 24) --> CHANGE TO XF 10 (19:1 - 19:4)
UX 211 (17:3 - 17:6)-BTS <-- ADD
XF 10 (19:5 - 24) <-- ADD

PP 27
...

BEAST/HENRY "HANK" PHILIP MCCOY
...
XF 9 (5 - 22:3)
XF 10 (1 - 5:1) <-- ADD
WCA@ 1
XF 10 (5:2) <-- ADD
XF 9 (22:4 - 22:6)
XF 10 (1 - 18) --> CHANGE TO XF 10 (1 - 19:4)
UX 211-BTS
XF 10 (19 - 24) --> CHANGE TO XF 10 (19:5 - 24)
PP 27
...

BLOCKBUSTER III/MICHAEL BAER
...
UX 350 (31:4)-FB-OP
XO:GAM (22:2 - 26) --> CHANGE TO XO:GAM (22:2 - 28)
XF 10
...

CYCLOPS II/SCOTT SUMMERS/"SLYM DAYSPRING"
...
XF 9 (5 - 23)
XF 10 (1 - 18) --> CHANGE TO XF 10 (1 - 19:4)
UX 211-BTS
XF 10 (19 - 24) --> CHANGE TO XF 10 (19:5 - 24)
PP 27
...

HARPOON/KODIAK NOATAK
...
XO:GAM (22:2)
UX 211 (1 - 9) --> CHANGE TO UX 211 (1 - 10:1)
XO:GAM (23 - 26) --> CHANGE TO XO:GAM (23 - 28)
XF 10 (1 - 18) --> CHANGE TO XF 10 (1 - 19:4)
UX 211 (10 - 22) --> CHANGE TO UX 211 (10:2 - 22)
XF 10 (19 - 24) --> CHANGE TO XF 10 (19:5 - 24)
PP 27 <-- MOVE TO HERE

T 373
PP 27 <-- MOVE FROM HERE
T 374
...

ICEMAN/ROBERT "BOBBY" DRAKE
...
UX 210 (16:5)
XF 9 (5 - 23)
XF 10 (1 - 18) --> CHANGE TO XF 10 (1 - 19:4)
UX 211-BTS
XF 10 (19 - 24) --> CHANGE TO XF 10 (19:5 - 24)
PP 27
...

MANH, COY LEONG XUI
...
NM@ 2
NM 46 --> CHANGE TO NM 46-BTS
XFOR 62
...

MANH, COY NGA
...
NM@ 2
NM 46 --> CHANGE TO NM 46-BTS
XFOR 62
...

MARVEL GIRL/JEAN GREY SUMMERS/"REDD DAYSPRING"
...
XF 9 (5 - 23)
XF 10 (1 - 18) --> CHANGE TO XF 10 (1 - 19:4)
UX 211-BTS
XF 10 (19 - 24) --> CHANGE TO XF 10 (19:5 - 24)
PP 27
...

PRISM
...
UX 350 (31:4)-FB-OP
XO:GAM (22:2 - 26) --> CHANGE TO XO:GAM (22:6 - 28)
XF 10
...

RIPTIDE/JANOS QUESTED
...
XO:GAM (22:2)
{UX 211 (1 - 9)} --> CHANGE TO {UX 211 (1 - 10:1)}
XO:GAM (23 - 24)
XU 18/2-FB
XO:GAM (26)-BTS
UX 211 (10 - 22) --> CHANGE TO UX 211 (10:2 - 22)
UX 240
...

ROLFE
...
T 364
T 374 <-- ADD

SABRETOOTH/VICTOR CREED
...
XO:GAM (25)-OP
GAM3 7 (8:4)-FB --> CHANGE TO GAM3 7 (8:4)-FB-OP
XO:GAM (26:1 - 26:2)-OP
...

SCALEFACE
XF 11 <-- ADD

SENSH 34
...

SCALPHUNTER/JOHN GREYCROW
...
XO:GAM (22:2)
UX 211 (1 - 9) --> CHANGE TO UX 211 (1 - 10:1)
XO:GAM (23 - 24)
XU 18/2-FB
GAM3 7-FB
XO:GAM (26)-BTS --> CHANGE TO XO:GAM (25 - 28)-BTS
XU2 14-FB
XF 10
UX 211 (10 - 22) --> CHANGE TO UX 211 (10:2 - 22)
PP 27
...

SCRAMBLER/KIM IL SUNG
...
XO:GAM (22:2)
UX 211 (1 - 9) --> CHANGE TO UX 211 (1 - 10:1)
XO:GAM (23 - 26) --> CHANGE TO XO:GAM (23 - 28)
UX 211 (10 - 22) --> CHANGE TO UX 211 (10:2 - 17:2)

XF 10
UX 211 (17:3 - 22) <-- ADD
PP 27
...

VERTIGO II
...
XO:GAM (22:2)
UX 211 (1 - 9) --> CHANGE TO UX 211 (1 - 10:1)
XO:GAM (23 - 26) --> CHANGE TO XO:GAM (23 - 28)

XF 10 (1 - 18)
UX 211 (10 - 22) --> CHANGE TO UX 211 (10:2 - 22)
XF 10 (19 - 24)
T 373
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Re: UX 207-210 + XF 8-9

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I’ll have to double check my notes but there are a few moments that link The Uncanny X-Men & X-Factor directly. From memory, there is Artie seeing Tommy’s death and Rusty & Skids entering the tunnels and another moment later where Cyclops’s blast nearly hits Storm and Wolverine says he can smell all 5 of X-Factor.
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metaldragon wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 6:02 pm I’ll have to double check my notes but there are a few moments that link The Uncanny X-Men & X-Factor directly. From memory, there is Artie seeing Tommy’s death and Rusty & Skids entering the tunnels
Good catch. I took Artie's vision for Harpoon killing an unnamed Morlock but you're right, it's Tommy. This links XF 9 (12:5 - 12:8) with UX 210 (22 - 23). I'll correct it later.
metaldragon wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 6:02 pmand another moment later where Cyclops’s blast nearly hits Storm and Wolverine says he can smell all 5 of X-Factor.
I've corrected some page numbers in the fifth post for this, it's a mix between XF 10 (7:1 - 7:3) and UX 211 (17:4 - 18:1).
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I made some notes on the intersection points of the Mutant Massacre a while back. Mostly from the timeline of X-Factor. There is a lot going on and hopefully my page numbers are correct.

XF 8, pg 11-14 "The X-Factor Complex, later that night..." X-Factor discusses the events of UX 209 taking place at that very moment (X-Men are fighting Nimrod in Central Park). Hodge mentions the events of XF 7 took place "yesterday" (so the beginning of this issue has to take place the morning after the end of XF 7). Artie senses Freedom Force following X-Factor and Rusty goes to warn them.
pg 15 "A harrowing cab ride later..." Rusty manages to catch up to X-Factor in Central Park not far from the Sheep Meadow. Freedom Force stops them to arrest Rusty.
pg 16 Spiral leaves the confrontation with X-Factor to appear in UX 209 (a note in the corner of the second panel informs us. She goes there to hunt down Rachel).
pg 18-19 Skids shows up and rescues Rusty from Spider-Woman's web.
pg 20-21 Trish Tilby, with her W-ARC-TV news team is reporting on the aftermath of the X-Men vs Nimrod battle from UX 209 and Rusty & Skids rush past her with an anti-mutant mob in hot pursuit.
pg 22 Freedom Force catches up with Rusty & Skids while the mob looks on. TBC...

XF 9: Pgs 1-2 Rusty & Skids are in stand-off with Freedom Force in Central Park. (It looks lighter, so it must be dawn by this point. This continues directly on from the end of XF 8.)
pg 3 "While across the park" As X-Factor reach the edge of the park they run into Trish Tilby and her W-ARC-TV news team.
pg 4-5 A Police Officer on the street mentions he doesn't trust the Avengers and is glad for X-Factor. As they're walking past the Hellfire Club they spot Magneto about to enter (as seen in UX 210 pgs 15-16 from his perspective. It is after 10:00 am by this point). [A little while before this, Rogue sees the dammage to the X-Factor Complex and wonders about it, at 10:00 A.M. she enters Bloomingdales, then shortly after that spots one of X-Factor’s ads on the side of a bus. That takes place just before Magneto arrives at the Hellfire Club.]
pg 6-9 "Meanwhile, Rusty runs and Skids glides toward Fifth Avenue..." They run into Spider-Woman's psi web and are caught by Freedom Force but a human mob arrives and begins throwing stuff at Freedom Force for being mutants. X-Factor shows up to hold off the mob.
pg 10 "While on 67th Street off of Fifth Avenue..." Skids takes Rusty into the Morlock tunnels.
pg 11 "Meanwhile" Freedom Force leaves to search for Rusty and X-Factor dodges Trish Tilby's questions and leaves to search for Rusty too.
pg 12 "Meanwhile, the morning sunlight shines on the X-Factor Complex..." Artie "sees" Rusty & Skids enter the Morlock Tunnels, then Freedom Force searching for them, then the murder of the Morlock Tommy from the end of UX 210. He tries to show this to Cameron Hodge but Hodge shoves him out of his office so Artie decides to draw X-Factor a message and go after Rusty himself.
pg 13 "Later, inside the X-Factor Complex..." X-Factor check to see if Rusty returned there and see Artie's picture message of what he saw and and where he went.
[How many hours have passed while they’ve been searching is not mentioned. It is probably afternoon by this point.]
pg 14 Artie runs into Leech in the Morlock tunnels. "Meanwhile" X-Factor strip off their X-Factor uniforms and head down into the tunnels in their "X-terminators" garb.
pg 15 "While elsewhere in the tunnels..." Leech brings Artie to Caliban.
pg 16-20 "While elsewhere in the tunnels..." Rusty trips over the body of a dead mutant (possibly Tommy's?) much to his and Skids's shock. They then run into Freedom Force again and Blob begins beating up Rusty. X-Factor arrive and the battle begins while Skids tries to protect the unconscious Rusty.
pg 21-22 "Moments later..." after Destiny convinces Freedom Force to leave, Beast examines Rusty and says he needs a doctor fast. Marvel Girl & Angel head back towards the X-Factor Complex with Rusty & Skids while Cyclops, Iceman and Beast head deeper into the Morlock tunnels. 2 panels later they hear a scream while, in the next panel, Artie, Caliban and Leech hear possibly the same scream and a box says "And nearby, in the tunnels, mutants start to die..."
pg 23 "While very shortly in Washington, in the section of the Pentagon run by Valerie Cooper and devoted to the special agency known as Freedom Force..." Val gives them a dressing down about not capturing Rusty Collins. As they leave the meeting, Mystique decides to dig dirt on Angel, aka millionaire playboy Warren Worthington III, and leak whatever they find to reporter Trish Tilby... TBC [Since Spider-Woman is shown to be still a member here, this has to take place before A@ 15-WCA@ 1 where she quits.]

I discovered a flashback, not sure if it's already been noted:

XF 10: pg 4 "While in the tunnels several miles away, a team of mutants who are not Morlocks recover from a pitched battle with the government-sponsored bounty hunters Freedom Force..." aka X-Factor. The first two panels of this page take place between panels 3 & 4 of XF 9, pg 22. The last 3 panels take place during panels 4-6 of XF 9, pg 22.
pg 14 "While elsewhere in the tunnel, two small faces peer from a drain tunnel into the alley..." Sabertooth finally left so Artie leaves Leech and the wounded Caliban to search for X-Factor. (Leech & Caliban next appear in PP 27 on pg 4 in Franklin’s dream and by then it is nighttime.)
[There is a gap of time here, long enough for Candy to fly from Philadelphia to New York at least. It may be the evening shown in PP 27 after this point.]
pg 19 "Ages later..." Angel & Marvel Girl arrive in time to help the rest of X-Factor fight off Arclight, Scrambler and Prism. Cyclops blasts Prism but his beam is refracted by Prism’s body and used against him. (During this battle is when, in UX 211, p17, Storm is nearly hit by Cyclops's optic blast.) Marvel Girl shatters Prism in the battle, Arclight then brings down the tunnel ceiling and escapes with the unconscious Scrambler. (This is the moment in UX 211, p17 when Wolverine says to Storm & Rogue that he can smell Cyclops, "And Angel and the Beast--ALL the original X-Men" and they see the tunnel collapse, UX 211, p18, cutting them off from X-Factor.)
pg 21 Angel stays behind to look for Artie while Marvel Girl takes the rest of the team back to the X-Factor Complex for first aid. (Cyclops, Iceman, Beast, and Marvel Girl next appear in PP 27, pgs 14-23.)
pg 22 Angel finds Artie but is trapped by Vertigo, Blockbuster and Harpoon. He tells Artie to run hide, manages to take out Vertigo but Blockbuster shatters his wings and Harpoon nails his wings to the tunnel wall. (This leads directly into T 373 p19-22 where Thor hears Angel's screams & stops Blockbuster, Harpoon and Vertigo from torturing him further.)

PP 27: pgs 1-3 Power Pack watch the evening news with their parents and see the newscast of the “X-terminators” attacking the X-Factor Complex (in XF 7, but this is a repeat of the newscast shown earlier in XF 8, pgs 4-5). Franklin Richards sleeps over because his parents weren’t home.
pgs 4-7 "Hours later..." Franklin dreams of Leech crying over the wounded and unconscious Caliban (last seen in XF 10, pg 14) and Jack and Alex are woken by their dream forms appearing in their bedroom. They wake Franklin from his nightmare, Julie & Katie are woken by their voices and when Franlkin tells them what he dreamed they decide to travel down to the Morlock tunnels to stop whoever was attacking the Morlocks.
pgs 12-13 Power Pack runs for it and run into Wolverine who tells them to get out of the tunnels. He makes them promise to leave and they do but they decide to leave after they find Leech. (Wolverine was last in UX 211, last page & appears next in UX 212, pg 1.)
pigs 15-23 “While back in the tunnels...” Power Pack finally find Leech and Caliban. They are attacked by Harpoon, Arclight and Scrambler. They do well holding their own against the 3 Marauders until X-Factor show up and chase the villains off. Harpoon taunts them over what they did to Angel (making his appearance here shortly after T 374, p9.) Leech learns that Annalee is dead but Cyclops tells him his some of his other friends are still OK. Iceman & Beast take Leech & Caliban back with them while Cyclops inform Power Pack it’s “Going on 5 A. M.!” and sends them home. Cyclops & Marvel Girl continue on to search for Angel & Artie in Thor 374.

T 374: Pgs 1-5 Thor fights off Blockbuster, Harpoon and Vertigo, unpins Angel from the wall and carries him off to find help. (This continues on directly from the last page of T 373.)
Pgs 16-18 Artie finds Cyclops & Marvel Girl. Cyclops makes crude splint for Thor's arm. They warn Thor not to believe what he hears about them when he gets back topside and leave with Angel and Artie for the X-Factor Complex. (This leads directly into XF 11, pgs 1-10.)
Pgs 19-22 Thor searches for any further survivors in the tunnels and Hela appears to inform him his "bones are now as brittle as those of an old woman" and will not heal because she hit him with a spell at the beginning of T 373. Thor sets fire to the tunnels in his rage and sorrow. (This takes place on the last page of UX 212 and XF 11, p10.)

XF 11: Pgs 1-3 Iceman & Beast are ambushed by 4 Morlock calling themselves "Tunnelers" while carrying Leech and the wounded Caliban back to the X-Factor Complex (after PP27, p23).
Pgs 4-5 “While nearby...” Cyclops & Marvel Girl are taking Artie and the badly wounded Angel back to the X-Factor Complex (after T 374, p18). They hear sounds of battle.
Pgs 9-10. They hear the sound of thunder and feel a wave of heat. They make it back to the X-Factor Complex just ahead of Thor’s firestorm. (See T 373, pgs 19-22 & UX 212, last page.)
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HARPOON/KODIAK NOATAK
...
UX 213-FB
UX 210 (1 - 22:5)-BTS <-- ADD
{UX 210} --> CHANGE TO {UX 210 (22:6 - 23:4)} ~ XF 9
UX 210 (23:5 - 23:7)-OP <-- ADD

UX 350 (31:2)-FB-OP
...

TOMMY new
UX 210 (1 - 22:5)
UX 210 (22:6 - 23:4) ~ XF 9 (12:5 - 12:7)
UX 210 (23:5 - 23:7)
XF 9 (12:8 - 23)

TOMMY --> CHANGE TO TOMMY II
PLASMER 3-FB
...

This is the timeline I used:

UX 207
UX 208 (10:4)-FB
XF 8 (1 - 10)
UX 208
XF 8 (11 - 19:4)
UX 209
XCAL 64 (2:8)-FB
XCAL 22 (7:6 - 7:8)-FB
XF 8 (19:5 - 22)
XF 9 (1 - 3:3:3)
UX 210 (1 - 15)
XF 9 (3:3:4) ~ UX 210 (16:1:1)
XF 9 (3:4:1 - 3:4:2)
XF 9 (3:4:3 - 4:2:2) ~ UX 210 (16:1:2 - 16:2)
UX 210 (16:3 - 16:4)
XF 9 (4:2:3 - 4:9)
UX 210 (16:5)
XF 9 (5 - 6:1)
UX 210 (16:6 - 21)
XF 9 (6:2 - 12:4)
UX 210 (22:1 - 22:5)
UX 210 (22:6 - 23:4) ~ XF 9 (12:5 - 12:7)
UX 210 (23:5 - 23:7)
XF 9 (12:8 - 22:3)
XF 10 (4 - 5:1)
XF 9 (23)-FB
NM:WC
NM@ 2 (7)-FB
A@ 15
WCA@ 1
XF 10 (5:2)
XF 10 (7:4 - 8)
IM 214
PPSSM 125 (10:7)-FB
AWC 84 (14:1)-FB
MARVELS:EYE 5 (22:2)-FB
T 373 (4:7 - 13:4)
DD 236
DD 237
NM@ 2 (8 - 9)-FB
NM@ 2 (10)-FB
NM@ 2
X@ 10
NM 45
PP 26
UX 350 (31:2)-FB
XO:GAM (18)
UX 350 (31:3)-FB
XO:GAM (19 - 22:1)
UX 350 (31:4)-FB
XO:GAM (22:2)
UX 350 (31:6)-FB
XF 9 (22:4 - 22:6)
UX 211 (1 - 6:2)
UX 211 (6:3 - 10:1)
XO:GAM (23 - 24)
XU 18/2 (4:2 - 4:3)-FB
WX3 26 (5:3)-FB
WX3 26 (5:8)-FB
GAM3 7 (8:1 - 8:3)-FB
XO:GAM (25)
GAM3 7 (8:4)-FB
XO:GAM (26:1 - 26:2)
GAM3 7 (8:5 - 8:8)-FB
UX 350 (31:7)-FB
XO:GAM (26:3 - 28)
XU2 14 (5:11 - 6)-FB
XF 10 (1 - 2&3)
XF 10 (5:3 - 7:3)
XF 10 (9 - 14)
XF 10 (15 - 18)
UX 211 (10:2 - 13:4)
UX 211 (13:5 - 17:2)
XF 10 (19:1 - 19:4)
UX 211 (17:3 - 17:6)
XF 10 (19:5 - 21)
UX 211 (18 - 22)
NM 46 (1 - 3)
NM 46 (6:2 - 7:1)
NM 46 (4 - 6:2)
NM 46 (7:2 - 8)
XU2 14 (2 - 8)-FB
NM 46 (9 - 14:2)
XF 10 (22 - 24)
UX@ 16/2 (4 - 7)-FB
T 373 (13:5 - 23)
PP 27
NM 46 (14:3 - 18)
NM 51 (4&5)-FB
NM 46 (19 - 22)
T 373 (13:5 - 23)
T 374 (1 - 9)
UX 212 (1 - 21)
T 374 (10 - 18)
XF 11 (1 - 8:3)
T 374 (19 - 22)
XF 11 (8:4 - 10:3)
UX 212 (22)
XF 11 (10:4 - 23)
DD 238
UX 213
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Re: UX 207-210 + XF 8-9

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michel wrote: Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:09 am HARPOON/KODIAK NOATAK
...
UX 213-FB
UX 210 (1 - 22:5)-BTS <-- ADD
{UX 210} --> CHANGE TO UX {210 (22:6 - 23:4)} ~ XF 9 (12:5 - 12:7)
UX 210 (23:5 - 23:7)-OP <-- ADD

UX 350 (31:2)-FB-OP
...

TOMMY new
UX 210 (1 - 22:5)
UX 210 (22:6 - 23:4) ~ XF 9 (12:5 - 12:7)
UX 210 (23:5 - 23:7)
XF 9 (12:8 - 23)
I'm seeing more and more of these types of listings and they befuddle me.
What I get is that Harpoon does not appear in UX 210 (1 - 22:5) nor in UX 210 (23:5 - 23:7) but his appearance in UX 210 (22:6 - 23:4) is the same as XF 9 (12:5 - 12:7)

So why do we need this intricate listing when UX 210 ~ XF 9 will do?

The basic unit of indexing is the issue. The listings -BTS, -VO and -OP developed for issues. It's a given that a featured character will be OP in some panels and quite likely -BTS or -VO in others.

Now, I could understand the use of these markers if a character's appearance in an issue were split by another sequence from a different issue but that's not even the case here.
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Re: UX 207-210 + XF 8-9

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michel wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 9:27 pm
metaldragon wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 6:02 pm I’ll have to double check my notes but there are a few moments that link The Uncanny X-Men & X-Factor directly. From memory, there is Artie seeing Tommy’s death and Rusty & Skids entering the tunnels
Good catch. I took Artie's vision for Harpoon killing an unnamed Morlock but you're right, it's Tommy. This links XF 9 (12:5 - 12:8) with UX 210 (22 - 23). I'll correct it later.
metaldragon wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 6:02 pmand another moment later where Cyclops’s blast nearly hits Storm and Wolverine says he can smell all 5 of X-Factor.
I've corrected some page numbers in the fifth post for this, it's a mix between XF 10 (7:1 - 7:3) and UX 211 (17:4 - 18:1).
Except... that's not the right battle in XF 10 that crosses over with UX 211 (17:4 - 18:1). It's the battle in XF 10 page 19 that has all 5 X-Factor members together again (the one where Jean smashes Prism). The fight on XF 10 page 7 only has Cyclops, Beast, & Iceman.
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Re: UX 207-210 + XF 8-9

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OK, you're right. I've corrected the changes above.
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