The post-Inferno to end of the Krakoa era X-titles thread

[Clive_Reston]

I would best see the "Snikt family" serial on Marvel's Voices Infinity Comic placed after Daken and Scout's story on New Mutants 29, based on the relationship between the two and Gabby's desire to strengthen family ties.

Oh, I like that idea--thank you! Fixed above.

[Clive_Reston]

New Mutants #33 concludes the arc from 31-32 (and the current series).

X-Terminators #4 continues directly from the first three, and leads up to the scene to which earlier issues have included flash-forwards. There's a baseball game between teams of Knights (including Bei, Gambit and Rogue) and New Mutants (including Scout and Cerebella), so I'm inclined to put the whole mini after New Mutants 31-33, pending what happens in #5.

Dark Web: X-Men #2 picks up after the end of #1, and is after Venom #14, which is after Amazing Spider-Man #16. VERY tentatively, things there are looking like:

Dark Web 1
overlaps with: Dark Web: X-Men 1 (1-16)
Gold Goblin 2 (right after Dark Web 1)
Dark Web: Ms. Marvel 1 (leads up to & duplicates Kamala's scene from ASM 15)
ASM 15-16
Venom 14
Dark Web: X-Men 1 (17-20)
Dark Web: X-Men 2
Mary Jane & Black Cat 1 (at some point later enough that Felicia knows what's happening is Ben's doing)

[Midnighter]

At the end of the serial devoted to the Snikts Family of Marvel Voices Unlimited Infinity Comic, Nature Girl is involved, called by Wolverine, and appears in a newspaper photo with the old look.
This entire serial should therefore take place before X-Men Green, and thus I think before Laura, Synch and Darwin's mission to the Vault.
Or after the next X-Men Green stories (just started in X-Men Unlimited), if Nature Girl returns to normal and on good terms with Wolverine.

[Clive_Reston]

Wowwww. Using Nature Girl in that capacity at this point is definitely A Choice That Was Made. I don't think it needs to be back before Laura goes into the Vault, though (or even *can* be, since Akihiro and Jeanne-Marie are a couple--she's calling him Akihiro rather than Daken, but I think that's fine). Even with my timeline as it is, there's substantial wiggle room ca. X-Men (2021) #2-3; I think "The Family Snikt"/Marvel's Voices Infinity Comic 26-32 could go right before the initial X-Men Green sequence, actually. Laura's out of the Vault, Gabby's around, and there's not the time pressure of the countdown to the 2021 Gala.

Otherwise, this week, X-Men Red #10 (holy wow is it good), Marauders #10 and Captain Marvel #45 (which leads straight into the X-Men/Captain Marvel crossover that starts next month) are all immediately after their respective previous issues. X-Force #36 probably is too, although a bit of time can have elapsed since #35 if that turns out to be necessary.

And Gold Goblin #3 is shortly after #2, and happens when Dark Web/"the limbo crisis" is still going on--apparently the day after the Dark Web action we've seen so far?

[Midnighter]

Ah, it should be noted that after the first sequences of X-Men Unlimited Infinity Comic 68 (which take place shortly after the conclusion of issue 49) there is a gap of a few weeks in which the events of, among other things, New Mutants 25-28 take place. In the early sequences with the Dark Riders Magik has the old black armor, in the later sequences he wears the new gold one.

[Clive_Reston]

Yes indeed!

I'm also making a few changes in my big post-Inferno order from a few posts back. A couple of people have pointed out that Secret X-Men 1 has to be after S.W.O.R.D. 9-11 because of Shi'ar politics; Polaris is in the X-Men *and* the Legion is up and running in Knights of X, so that has to be after LoX 1-3 but before the 2022 Gala (and I guess word about Otherworld's new rules hasn't gotten to the New Mutants before the Limbo arc).

And there's a new Karma serial, beginning with Love Unlimited Infinity Comic #31, in which we find out that we've been getting her name wrong for 40 years now... and STILL haven't seen Tran!

[Clive_Reston]

This week's X-Men 18 is pretty flexible in terms of placement; its last two pages lead into the forthcoming X-Men/Captain Marvel crossover, but they can be separated from the rest easily if need be.

Wolverine 29 continues directly from 27-28. Legion of X 9 also continues directly from 7-8, although if this story is going where I suspect it's going there may have to be a break-point somewhere in there.

Dark Web-wise, Amazing Spider-Man 17 is footnoted as being after Dark Web: X-Men 2; Mary Jane & Black Cat 2 and Dark Web: Ms. Marvel 2 continue directly from their respective previous issues, with no other particular time markers. (Interestingly, it looks like the MJ/Black Cat mini is going to continue their trip through Limbo well after the rest of Dark Web ends!)

[Michael]

To clarify, in Amazing 17, Maddie says she has guests and the footnote says "See Dark Web: X-Men 2." I think the idea is that Maddie goes from her meeting with Ben to her appearance in Dark Web: X-Men 2. This is important since Dark Web:X-Men 2 seems to continue directly into Dark Web: X-Men 3 and judging from the leaked images, something very important happens in issue 3.

[Clive_Reston]

Michael, you're right about that--thank you! And yes, Dark Web: X-Men #3 does continue directly from #2.

In other Dark Web news this week, Venom #15 ends with a Ms. Marvel appearance that's after the Dark Web: Ms. Marvel two-parter.

Immortal X-Men #10 is right after #9 (and includes the payoff for another foreshadow variant cover from a while back).

And Deadpool #3 continues to be... not particularly connected to "Destiny of X," plot-wise, although it does have a lovely X-joke on one of its text pages.

[Michael]

The Mary Jane and Black Cat series would have to take place after Dark Web:X-Men 3, since that's the only time Felicia could have learned that Ben is behind this and working with Janine. (Presumably, Maddie explained what was going on and Jean, Maddie or Synch told Felicia telepathically since they were worried Ben would go after MJ.)
We're going to run into problems putting Immortal X-Men and Legion of X in chronological order. In Legion of X 7-9, Margali casts a spell turning Nightcrawler into a monster and Sinister can't undo it. But in Immortal X 9-10, Kurt has horns but isn't as monstrous as he becomes at the end of issue 7, and at the end of the story the X-Men think they've trapped Sinister in the Pit but we see a red diamond on Xavier's forehead, indicating he's fallen under Sinister's influence. Maybe we'll get an explanation in Legion of X 10 but from the preview images it looks like Kurt is going to be stuck in his monstrous form until after Sins of Sinister.

[Clive_Reston]

We're going to run into problems putting Immortal X-Men and Legion of X in chronological order. In Legion of X 7-9, Margali casts a spell turning Nightcrawler into a monster and Sinister can't undo it. But in Immortal X 9-10, Kurt has horns but isn't as monstrous as he becomes at the end of issue 7, and at the end of the story the X-Men think they've trapped Sinister in the Pit but we see a red diamond on Xavier's forehead, indicating he's fallen under Sinister's influence. Maybe we'll get an explanation in Legion of X 10 but from the preview images it looks like Kurt is going to be stuck in his monstrous form until after Sins of Sinister.

I'm holding out for Legion of X 10 in a couple of weeks. But to spitball a little: when Doctor Nemesis is examining Kurt on pg. 17 of Legion of X #7, Kurt's costume is shredded--and the last we saw of him before that in that issue, he'd just been resurrected. Why would his costume be in tatters? Perhaps if he'd come to Nemesis's lab directly after Immortal #9-10! Which would put a different spin on dialogue in LoX 7 (17) ("You were right, Nemesis. Sinister was no help. Perhaps you've earned a little gloating") and 8 (13) ("You should probably ask your unimpeachably honest chum Mr. Sinister--see how far that gets you"). Anyway, when we see Kurt in costume after the next scene change in #8, it's intact again.

(And we see Xavier without a diamond in LoX #8--but only his dream self! Once he wakes up, we can't see his forehead.)

As for Kurt's appearances in Immortal #10: after the fight, we only see him in extreme long shots except for one close-up... in which we can't see any of the parts of his costume that are ripped in LoX 7!

[Leoparis]

Well, you have a ready-made explanation for dual continuities: Sinister has been using Moira clones to return to save points.

Needless to say we don't have notations for revised continuities such as those created by the Cosmic Cube or time travel.

[Clive_Reston]

I posted the theory above about Nightcrawler's costume on Twitter... and was corrected by Netho Diaz, who drew the Legion issues in question! Oh well.

Meanwhile, in Love Unlimited: Karma in Love Infinity Comic #33, the very good Karma serial (by Trung Lê "Trungles" Nguyen) continues... and we finally see Trân, for the first time since he was resurrected off-panel more than a year and a half ago!

[Clive_Reston]

Sins of Sinister #1 overlaps with the last couple of pages of Immortal X-Men #10 (we get to see what Sinister was saying!), and jumps all over the next ten years' worth of what will have to be an AU/timeline.

X-Terminators #5 picks up right after the previous issue (Magik has her new outfit); it's sometime before X-Men #18.

Sabretooth & the Exiles #3 continues directly from #2 and only spans an hour or two, meaning we're still substantially before Destiny of X!

And Murderworld: Wolverine #1 does not include any appearances by the actual Wolverine, or in fact any X-characters, as far as I can tell.

[Midnighter]

There may be a problem with Strange Academy and Midnight Suns.

The miniseries opens with Agatha Harkness a professor at Strange Academy, and we see Zoe, Iric, Alvi, and Dessy among the students, while Magik is already wearing her new golden armor.
In Strange Academy 17, however, many students leave the school, including Zoe and Dessy.
Some return in Strange Academy 18 but Dessy, Zoe and Iric follow Emily to the Dark Dimension. In this issue we see elderly Agatha Harkness and Magik in the old headpiece (but otherwise in civilian clothes) at a teachers' meeting at the beginning.
Zoe and others return to the school in Strange Academy: Finals 2, but not Dessy and Iric.
At the end of Midnight Suns, however, Agatha Harkness is thought to be dead (she is actually rejuvenated), and Dessy (in a non-demonic version as seen in Finals) is happy to rejoin Zoe at Strange Academy.

It would therefore seem impossible for Agatha Harkness to be present at the reunion in Strange Academy 18. Unless you place Midnight Suns between pages 1 and 2 of this issue.
On page 1 of Strange Academy 18 the teachers are talking about the fact that some students are dropping out of school, and increasingly so.
On page 2 we see that they are almost all in the basement of the Sanctum Sanctorum.
It is possible that while Emily and others left the school immediately after Strange Academy 17, others (Zoe, Dessy, etc.) stayed for the period when Midnight Suns took place, and then left the school before page 2.