X-Men Legacy 208 flashbacks

[Leoparis]

The only previous mention I found is here: https://www.chronologyproject.com/phpbb ... 749#p36749

Looking at the issue
https://www.chronologyproject.com/searc ... =x%3Al+208
I could not figure what X:L 208 -FB-FB refers to for Pr X. I did not see any FB-FB. Besides if there was a FB-FB, that would be (1 - 2) in regards to (1 - 4) and not the reverse.

Moira is also indexed in a FB-FB on pages 1-4. But she's also in a simple flashback on pages 1-2 per our indexing.

As noted it's a flashback verging into a dream.

The flashback is actually (1 - 2:3).

Then we have a replay of the assassination from X2 207. And a Pr. X flashback right after the assassination in (3:5 - 4).

It seems to me (1 - 4)-FB-FB and (1 - 2)-FB are one and the same, but maybe indexed in two rounds and placed differently for Moira. Xavier is not in a wheelchair.

Now, X:L 208 -FB-FB for Pr. X is placed at the tail end of the Beast origin. But I don't see any such scene. On pages 1-2 Xavier mentions meeting mutants in Egypt, Berlin, Tel Aviv, this is not the recruiting of the first class. On pages 19-20 there is a discussion with Scott on Pr X erasing the memories of Beast's family but this takes place between X 7 & 8, when Scott is named leader prior to Xavier's departure for private business. Again it seems there were two rounds of indexing with different interpretations and placement for the same scenes.

In UX 300-FB Xavier shows Moira his first class, so X:L 208-FB-FB's placement after UX 300-FB seems to be the wrong one.

For X:L 208 (8:6)-FB, Vertigo is missing.

Suggested corrections:
MACTAGGERT, MOIRA KINROSS
UX 389 (10:7 - 13:2)-FB-BTS
**X:L 208 (1 - 2)-FB -> (1 - 2:3)-FB
C -1 (1 - 15)
...
UX 300-FB
**X:L 208 (1 - 4)-FB-FB delete
X:HY 10

PROFESSOR X/CHARLES FRANCIS XAVIER
UX 161 (10:4 - 20:5)-FB
**X:L 208 (1 - 2)-FB -> (1 - 2:3)-FB
X&CLAN 1-FB
...
M/SAGA 10 (26:5)
**X:L 208-FB-FB delete
X:L 216 (4 - 6)-FB
...
X2 207
**X:L 208 (3:5 - 4)-FB
X:L 208 (9:3 - 9:5)-FB
X:L 208

VERTIGO II
DPV.GAM 4 (1:1 - 1:5)-FB
NX2 46 (8 - 20)
**X:L 208 (8:6)-FB
**NX2 46 (24 - 26)
X:L 245

[michel]

I think the FB-FB is about the Danger Room pages.

In X:L 208 (11:5 - 13)-FB and (16:1)-FB, Xavier sends his X-Men in a training session in the Danger Room.

In X:L 208 (14 - 15)-FB-FB and (16:2 - 16:4)-FB-FB, Xavier shows Moira the plans for the Danger Room and says "this WILL be a training room."

[Leoparis]

OK, that makes sense.

This needs a larger rethink.

X:L 208 (1 - 2) no armchair

X:L 208 (14 - 15) & (16:2 - 16:4) armchair, shows plans, Xavier says "My X-Men" they talk about Scott, "Most of these children have been on fights already"

But in UX 300 which is earlier than X 1, Moira finds out about the first class.

So I would not separate Xavier talking with Moira from the Danger Room scenes. This talk takes place at the same time. The students do not know Moira is there.

I guess that the future tense refers to an upcoming modification or to Xavier presenting the Danger Room as a project rather than as a reality to test the waters with Moira, given her criticism in UX 300 that he's going to start a strike force.

I don't think that scene (11:5 - 16:4) was intended as past and future leapfrogging. None of the flashbacks in X:L are like that.

[Jason Doty]

Just looking at the issue (not counting the recap page)

X:L 208 (1-2:3)-FB Xavier meeting with Moira in Scotland about mutants in general, before he is crippled, after Egypt (Farouk), Berlin, after Tel Aviv (Magneto).

X:L 208 (6:1-6:2)-FB Xavier in Korea, creating mental blocks to protect his sanity (after Cain (Juggernaut) is no longer with his unit.

X:L 208 (8:6-9)-FB Exodus' crew retrieve Xavier before the X-Men can react. (Messiah CompleX)

X:L 208 (11:5-16:4)-FB The X-Men train in the Danger Room, while Xavier visits with Moira (possibly between X 2 and X 3).

X:L 208 (18:2, 18:4, 18:6, 18:8)-FB Cyclops in uniform asks Xavier how he resists the urge to play God? (between pages of X 7)

X:L 208 (19-20:4)-FB Professor X wants Cyclops to lead while he is away, and it looks as if Xavier suppressed or altered his insecurities in order to get what he wanted. (Between pages of X 7)

Do the ranges look right, to start discussing placement?

[Leoparis]

X:L 208 (8:6-9)-FB Exodus' crew retrieve Xavier before the X-Men can react. (Messiah CompleX)

The new part is only 9:3 - 9:5. Aside from this, I agree with the ranges.

X:L 208 (11:5-16:4)-FB The X-Men train in the Danger Room, while Xavier visits with Moira (possibly between X 2 and X 3).

We agree Xavier with Moira is not a flashback within flashback (as previously indexed) but a visit after he assembled the team.
I'd rather say after X 1 or during X 1 owing to Pr X's speech "Welcome, my X-Men. I can't tell how great a pleasure it is to see you--finally--all together like this."

[Jason Doty]

Leoparis wrote

We agree Xavier with Moira is not a flashback within flashback (as previously indexed) but a visit after he assembled the team.
I'd rather say after X 1 or during X 1 owing to Pr X's speech "Welcome, my X-Men. I can't tell how great a pleasure it is to see you--finally--all together like this."

Agreed and solid placement.

[Jason Doty]

X:L 208 (18:2, 18:4, 18:6, 18:8)-FB Cyclops in uniform asks Xavier how he resists the urge to play God? (between pages of X 7)

Here we have a case of Xavier, playing with Scott's mind to get what he wants.

These should come between X 7 (3:3 and 3:4)

X:L 208 (19-20:4)-FB Professor X wants Cyclops to lead while he is away, and it looks as if Xavier suppressed or altered his insecurities in order to get what he wanted. (Between pages of X 7)

This between X 7 between (5:2 and 5:3)

Here he does it again.

Then

X 7 (5:3 - 6:3)
XO:CY
X 7 (6:4 - 22)

How does this look?

[Leoparis]

Leoparis wrote

We agree Xavier with Moira is not a flashback within flashback (as previously indexed) but a visit after he assembled the team.
I'd rather say after X 1 or during X 1 owing to Pr X's speech "Welcome, my X-Men. I can't tell how great a pleasure it is to see you--finally--all together like this."

Agreed and solid placement.

OK, more precisely after their first mission celebration dinner in ASTONX@2 1-FB.

X:L 208 (18:2, 18:4, 18:6, 18:8)-FB Cyclops in uniform asks Xavier how he resists the urge to play God? (between pages of X 7)

These should come between X 7 (3:3 and 3:4)

I agree.

X:L 208 (19-20:4)-FB Professor X wants Cyclops to lead while he is away, and it looks as if Xavier suppressed or altered his insecurities in order to get what he wanted. (Between pages of X 7)

This between X 7 between (5:2 and 5:3)

How does this look?

In X 7 5:3 - 6:3 Pr X asks Scott to accompany him him to the west wing, shows him Cerebro and then, at the end in his office, asks him to be group leader. They've got their jackets closed.

In X:L 208 (19-20:4)-FB They're in his office, Scott has his jacket open, Xavier removed his and asks Scott to take over as teacher "I want you to lead the X-Men in my absence. To take over as teacher, just as you already lead them in combat."

Don't you think the latter follows the former? I suggest between 6:3 and 6:4 if that's agreeable to you.

[Jason Doty]

Leoparis wrote

Don't you think the latter follows the former? I suggest between 6:3 and 6:4 if that's agreeable to you.

I can go along with this, later in the evening, perhaps a follow up, but after XO:CY and before X 7 (6:4).