Currently, we have T 383- FB placed between M/S-HSECWARS 3 and 4 for most characters, except for Captain America, who we have placed between issues 2 and 3. Except it's not that simple.
The flashback in T 383 starts on page 5, panel 2. Page 5, panel 2 through page 6, panel 4 are the Enchantress recapping the events of the first 2 issues of Secret Wars. Page 6, panel 5 are Captain America looking at the Enchantress in a healing capsule and asking Mr. Fantastic if she'll be okay. This takes place between issues 2 and 3 and is presumably why Captain America was listed as appearing between issues 2 and 3, (But why wasn't Reed listed as appearing in the flashback?)
Page 7, panels 1-4 retell page 19 of Secret Wars 3.
Page 7, panel 5 through page 13, panel 1 are new featuring the Enchantress and Thor.
Page 13, panels 2 through 5 retell events from Secret Wars 3 and 4.
Page 14 retells page 7, panel 2 through page 8, panel 2 of Secret Wars 2, with additional though balloons from the Enchantress.
Page 15 through page 21, panel 1 is an expanded version of the confrontation between the Thor and the villains in page 8, panel 3 through page 11 panel 5 of Secret Wars 4. (There's additional dialogue and though balloons from various characters, for example.) Even though Titania appears, she isn't listed as appearing in the flashback. Is that because we determined none of her material was new?
So the entry to be completely redone.
T 383-FB
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Re: T 383-FB
Actually, Mr. Fantastic says "Prisoners secured, Cap!" in M/S-HSECWARS 2 (13:1), after a "sometimes later" caption, so this scene should happen between pages 12 and 13 of M/S-HSECWARS 2.Michael wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 11:00 pm The flashback in T 383 starts on page 5, panel 2. Page 5, panel 2 through page 6, panel 4 are the Enchantress recapping the events of the first 2 issues of Secret Wars. Page 6, panel 5 are Captain America looking at the Enchantress in a healing capsule and asking Mr. Fantastic if she'll be okay. This takes place between issues 2 and 3 and is presumably why Captain America was listed as appearing between issues 2 and 3, (But why wasn't Reed listed as appearing in the flashback?)
Here is my breakdown:
T 383 (7:1 - 7:3:1:1)-FB = M/S-HSECWARS 3 (19:1 - 19:4:2:1)
M/S-HSECWARS 3 (19:4:2:2 - 19:4:4)
T 383 (7:3:1:2 - 7:5:1)-FB = M/S-HSECWARS 3 (19:5 - 19:6)
T 383 (7:5:2 - 13:1)-FB new material (Thor, Enchantress)
T 383 (14:1 - 14:2:1)-FB = M/S-HSECWARS 4 (7:2:1 - 7:2:4)
T 383 (14:2:2 - 14:3:1)-FB new material (Enchantress thoughts)
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (7:2:5 - 7:3:1)
T 383 (14:3:2 - 14:5:2)-FB = M/S-HSECWARS 4 (7:3:2 - 7:4)
T 383 (14:5:3)-FB new material (Enchantress thoughts)
T 383 (14:6 - 15:3:1)-FB = M/S-HSECWARS 4 (7:5 - 9:4) simplified
T 383 (15:3:2)-FB new material (Thor : "Thor fights alone!")
T 383 (15:4:1)-FB = M/S-HSECWARS 4 (9:5 - 9:6) simplified
T 383 (15:4:2 - 16:1)-FB new material (Thor thoughts)
T 383 (16:2 - 16:3:1)-FB = M/S-HSECWARS 4 (10:1 - 10:3)
T 383 (16:3:2 - 17:1:1)-FB new material (Thor, Absorbing Man, Dr. Octopus, Kang, Piledriver, Thunderball, Titania)
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (10:4:1) (Thor, Absorbing Man, Dr. Octopus, Piledriver)
T 383 (17:1:2 - 17:1:3)-FB = M/S-HSECWARS 4 (10:4:2 - 10:4:3) (Thor, Absorbing Man, Dr. Octopus, Piledriver, Thunderball)
T 383 (17:2)-FB new material (Enchantress thoughts)
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (10:5) (Thor, Absorbing Man, Dr. Octopus, Piledriver, Wrecker)
T 383 (17:3 - 17:4)-FB new material (Thor, Absorbing Man, Dr. Octopus, Piledriver)
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (10:6) (Thor, Absorbing Man, Dr. Octopus, Piledriver, Wrecker)
T 383 (18 - 19)-FB new material (Thor, Enchantress, Bulldozer, Kang, Piledriver, Thunderball, Wrecker)
T 383 (20:1 - 20:4:3)-FB = M/S-HSECWARS 4 (11:1 - 11:6:2) simplified (Thor, Enchantress, Bulldozer, Dr. Doom, Dr. Octopus, Piledriver, Titania, Ultron)
T 383 (20:4:4 - 21:1)-FB new material (Enchantress, Bulldozer, Dr. Doom, Dr. Octopus, Piledriver)
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (11:6:3 - 12:4) (Thor, Enchantress, Absorbing Man, Bulldozer, Dr. Doom, Dr. Octopus, Kang, Molecule Man, Thunderball, Titania, Ultron, Volcana, Wrecker)
THOR/THOR ODINSON/"DR. DONALD BLAKE"/"SIGURD JARLSON"/"JAKE OLSON"/"LOREN OLSON"
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M/S-HSECWARS 3
T 383-FB --> CHANGE TO T 383 (7:5:2 - 13:1)-FB
M/S-HSECWARS 4 --> CHANGE TO M/S-HSECWARS 4 (1 - 9:4)
T 383 (15:3:2)-FB <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (9:5 - 9:6) <-- ADD
T 383 (15:4:2 - 16:1)-FB <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (10:1 - 10:3) <-- ADD
T 383 (16:3:2 - 17:1:1)-FB <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (10:4 - 10:5) <-- ADD
T 383 (17:3 - 17:4)-FB <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (10:6) <-- ADD
T 383 (18 - 19)-FB <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (11 - 23) <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 5
...
ENCHANTRESS/AMORA/"HELEN EVE"/"LEENA MORAN"/"CHRISTINE COLLINS"
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M/S-HSECWARS 2 (12 - 23)
T 383 (6:5)-FB <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 3
T 383-FB --> CHANGE TO T 383 (7:5:2 - 13:1)-FB
M/S-HSECWARS 4 --> CHANGE TO M/S-HSECWARS 4 (1 - 7:2:4)
T 383 (14:2:2 - 14:3:1)-FB <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (7:2:5 - 7:4) <-- ADD
T 383 (14:5:3)-FB <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (7:5 - 10:4) <-- ADD
T 383 (17:2)-FB <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (10:5 - 10:6)-OP <-- ADD
T 383 (18 - 19)-FB <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (11:1 - 11:6:2) <-- ADD
T 383 (20:4:4 - 21:1)-FB <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (11:6:3 - 23)<-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 5
...
CAPTAIN AMERICA/STEVE ROGERS
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DPSECSECWARS 1 (18)-FB-OP
M/S-HSECWARS 2 (12 - 23) --> CHANGE TO M/S-HSECWARS 2 (12)
T 383-FB
M/S-HSECWARS 2 (13 - 23) <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 3
...
MR. FANTASTIC/REED RICHARDS
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DPSECSECWARS 1 (18)-FB-OP
M/S-HSECWARS 2 (12 - 23) --> CHANGE TO M/S-HSECWARS 2 (12)
T 383-FB <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 2 (13 - 23) <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 3
...
ABSORBING MAN/CARL "CRUSHER" CREEL
...
M/S-HSECWARS 3
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (1 - 10:3) <-- ADD
T 383-FB --> CHANGE TO T 383 (16:3:2 - 17:1:1)-FB
M/S-HSECWARS 4 --> CHANGE TO M/S-HSECWARS 4 (10:4 - 10:5)
T 383 (17:3 - 17:4)-FB <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (10:6 - 23) <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 5
...
BULLDOZER/HENRY CAMP
...
M/S-HSECWARS 3
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (1 - 10) <-- ADD
T 383-FB --> CHANGE TO T 383 (18 - 19)-FB
M/S-HSECWARS 4 --> CHANGE TO M/S-HSECWARS 4 (11:1 - 11:6:2)
T 383 (20:4:4 - 21:1)-FB <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (11:6:3 - 23) <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 5
...
DOCTOR DOOM/VICTOR VON DOOM
...
M/S-HSECWARS 3 (16:2 - 24)
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (1 - 11:6:2) <-- ADD
T 383-FB [T 383 (20:4:4 - 21:1)-FB]
M/S-HSECWARS 4 --> CHANGE TO M/S-HSECWARS 4 (11:6:3 - 23)
M/S-HSECWARS 5
...
DOCTOR OCTOPUS/DR. OTTO OCTAVIUS/"ELLIOT TOLLIVER"
...
M/S-HSECWARS 3
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (1 - 10:3) <-- ADD
T 383-FB --> CHANGE TO T 383 (16:3:2 - 17:1:1)-FB
M/S-HSECWARS 4 --> CHANGE TO M/S-HSECWARS 4 (10:4 - 10:5)
T 383 (17:3 - 17:4)-FB <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (10:6 - 11:6:2) <-- ADD
T 383 (20:4:4 - 21:1)-FB <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (11:6:3 - 23) <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 5
...
KANG THE CONQUEROR/NATHANIEL RICHARDS | EARTH-6311
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M/S-HSECWARS 3
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (1 - 10:3) <-- ADD
T 383-FB --> CHANGE TO T 383 (16:3:2 - 17:1:1)-FB
M/S-HSECWARS 4 --> CHANGE TO M/S-HSECWARS 4 (10:4 - 10:6)-OP
T 383 (18 - 19)-FB <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (11 - 23) <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 11
...
PILEDRIVER II/BRIAN PHILIP CALUSKY
...
M/S-HSECWARS 3
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (1 - 10:3) <-- ADD
T 383-FB --> CHANGE TO T 383 (16:3:2 - 17:1:1)-FB
M/S-HSECWARS 4 --> CHANGE TO M/S-HSECWARS 4 (10:4 - 10:5)
T 383 (17:3 - 17:4)-FB <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (10:6) <-- ADD
T 383 (18 - 19)-FB <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (11:1 - 11:6:2) <-- ADD
T 383 (20:4:4 - 21:1)-FB <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (11:6:3 - 23) <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 5
...
THUNDERBALL/DR. ELIOT FRANKLIN
...
M/S-HSECWARS 3
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (1 - 10:3) <-- ADD
T 383-FB --> CHANGE TO T 383 (16:3:2 - 17:1:1)-FB
M/S-HSECWARS 4 --> CHANGE TO M/S-HSECWARS 4 (10:4 - 10:6)
T 383 (18 - 19)-FB <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (11 - 23) <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 5
...
TITANIA II/MARY "SKEETER" MACPHERRAN
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M/S-HSECWARS 3 (16:2 - 24:6)
M/S-HSECWARS 4 --> CHANGE TO M/S-HSECWARS 4 (1 - 10:3)
T 383-FB <-- ADD [T 383 (16:3:2 - 17:1:1)-FB]
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (10:4 - 23) <-- ADD
M/S-HSECWARS 5
...
ULTRON
...
M/S-HSECWARS 3
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (1 - 11:6:2) <-- ADD
T 383-FB [T 383 (20:4:4 - 21:1)-FB]
M/S-HSECWARS 4 --> CHANGE TO M/S-HSECWARS 4 (11:6:3 - 23)
M/S-HSECWARS 5
...
WRECKER III/DIRK GARTHWAITE
...
M/S-HSECWARS 3
M/S-HSECWARS 4 (1 - 10) <-- ADD
T 383-FB [T 383 (18 - 19)-FB]
M/S-HSECWARS 4 --> CHANGE TO M/S-HSECWARS 4 (11 - 23)
M/S-HSECWARS 5
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