CIVIL WAR II to SECRET EMPIRE

[Col_Fury]

MT2 8 (1:1) [Wednesday, October 30]
MT2 8 (1:2) [Thursday, October 31]
MT2 8 (1:3) [Friday, November 1]
MT2 8 (1:4) [Sunday, November 3]
MT2 8 (2:1) [Friday night, November 4]
MT2 8 (2:2) [Saturday, November 5]
MT2 8 (2:3) [Sunday, November 6] (Loki running for US president, see VLOKI)
MT2 8 (2:4) [Monday, November 7]
MT2 8 (3-20), 9-12 [Tuesday, November 8] (this is after Sam and Jane start fooling around, which was pre-CWII)

Hill is mentioned as still with SHIELD, so all of this is before CWII:OATH.

MT2 13-FB happens “days ago,” then “two days ago,” then “yesterday.” Angela appears, so we’re past VLOKI by now. Loki appears in MT2 14, so yeah, we’re past VLOKI. MT2 13-14 happen in a day. Coulson is mentioned, so we’re still before SECRET EMPIRE.

CA:SAMW 14 happens in a night. CA:SAMW 15 happens on a different night, and is after CWII. CA:SAMW 16 happens over a weekend, and is roughly a week after #14. Sam and Misty start fooling around.

CA:SAMW 17 happens in a night, CA:SAMW 18 is the next day (and is at least a bit after A6 1-6). No appearances for Rage elsewhere after this.

CA:SAMW 19 happens in a day and is a trial following an arrest seen in #18. A trial can take up to two years following an arrest, but that’s obviously not the case here. Let’s say it’s a month later. Also, Obama is still president so this is at least before January 20 (but it’s after November 8 according to Speed Demon).

CA:SAMW 20 starts at least two days after #19 and lasts two or three days, maybe a week.

CA:SAMW 21 seems to happen shortly after #20 but isn’t necessarily so. #21-FB does, but the current portion where Sam quits as Captain America could happen after he thinks on it for a while.

CA:SR 7 happens before UA3 18-23 (Red Skull still has Xavier’s brain). Hill is still with SHIELD and Black Widow appears. Probably lasts a few days.

CA:SR 8 guest stars Captain Marvel, and Hill is still with SHIELD. Also, after TB3 7-9.

CA:SR 9-10 is Maris Hill’s tribunal and she’s found guilty. Steve is nominated to be the new SHIELD director, so shortly-ish before CWII:OATH. Lasts a few days. Red Skull appears, so likely before UA3 18-23.

CA:SR 11 is roughly a week after CA:SR 10. The GOTG are still on Earth. Also, we’re now after CWII:OATH. Red Skull appears, so we’re still likely before UA3 18-23. CA:SR 12 most likely happens after JJ 7-11, and according to next issue is the same day as #11.

CA:SR 13 is the day after #12, Red Skull appears and we’re building up to TB3 10-12.

CA:SR 14 follows from #13 and probably lasts a few days. Captain Marvel’s planet shield is tested, so this might overlap with an issue of MCM or ULTS². Thor and some of the Ultimates appear.

CA:SR 15 happens very shortly after UA3 22 (like, either that same night or the next day). We’re still most likely before TB3 10-12.

This obviously pushes UA3 18-23 back a bit. Wong's using magic in UA3 18-23 and by this point we're well past DS4 4-11. Doctor Strange doesn't appear in UA3 18-23, so if we put this in the period where Wong's supposed to be "recovering' (or rather, being helicopter-parented by Strange) we should be fine. I mean, it's not like have much of a choice. *shrug*

[Col_Fury]

ULTS² 1 & 2-FB happen shortly after CWII ends (also, it’s autumn). Black Panther mentions his political problems from BP6, so likely before he gets back to the plot in his own book.

ULTS² 2-5 & 6 (1-18) happen during the holiday season, most likely shortly before Christmas. The Chitauri fleet seen in SECEMP 0 is making its way across space to Earth.

ULTS² 6 (19-20) happens “some time later” at a point after BP6’s politics plot wraps up, after Black Panther changes Wakanda from a kingdom to a democracy. Also, Ms. America says she’s going to college, so a lead-in to her solo book, maybe?

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BP6 9-11 happens fairly quickly. BP6 12-13 starts at some later point (a flashback in #13 puts at least three weeks between BP6 11-2) and Storm appears (same month as X:G 1-2). BP6 14-15 starts a bit later, lasts a day and Storm appears again. BP6 16-17 is the day after BP6 14. BP6 18 ends on a cliffhanger, of course. Dr. Faustus is the villain, so likely before he’s recruited by Madam Hydra over in CA:SR.

BP6 12 starts the process of turning Wakanda into a democracy.

BP:WWKND 6 likely happens between BP6 11-12.

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INHSPRIME starts shortly after IvX and leads up to ROYALS 1 where the Inhuman royal family leaves Earth to look for Terrigen with Marvel Boy. I know some Inhumans appear on Earth at least through “Christmas,” so this issue probably lasts longer than it seems. Or, it took a while between Marvel Boy approaching the Inhumans and when they leave. Here are some possible breaks:

INHSPRIME (1-2) Marvel Boy watches the news report on IvX
INHSPRIME (3-21) the Inhumans capture Maximus
INHSPRIME (22-28) Maximus’ trial, where it’s decided to exile him
INHSPRIME (29-30) Marvel Boy shows up, Crystal mentions a new Inhuman has finally come out of their cocoon
ROYALS 1 the new Inhuman has been in her cocoon for “three months,” so in theory this could be three months after IvX. Continued directly from the end of INHSPRIME, and the Inhumans decide to leave Earth “tomorrow.” Crystal tells Luna that she’ll be spending the holidays with Karnak, but she’s possibly (ahem) talking about Inhuman holidays.

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XPRIME (1-28) is the first time Kitty has communicated with Storm since returning to Earth and where Kitty learns the X-Mansion is in Limbo (so, this is before SLORD2 1, which means IvX -> XPRIME -> SLORD2 1). Also, this is before the X-Men move everyone out of Limbo in EXX 20. Also, this is after ANX2 19 and after at least CHMPS2 4. All in less than a day.

XPRIME (29-30) is after EXX 20 and the X-Mansion has already been relocated to Central Park. X:G 1 clarifies that Kitty had to work with the NYC mayor for a while before the X-Mansion was moved in, so there’s some time that passes between pages 28-29. A few weeks or a month, maybe?

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DD5 10 says it’s “not even two months” since DD5 8-9. I currently have DD5 10 during CWII, shortly after Hawkeye’s trial (late September/early October). DD5 11-14 is “a few weeks later.” Inhumans are part of the plot so we’re likely before IvX.

DD5 15-16 starts maybe the day after #14, but could be up to a week later. Lasts one week and Bullseye appears. DD5 17-19 & 20 (1-19) happen on the same night as DD5 16. DD5 20 (20) is “later” and leads into the next issue.

DD5 20 (20) & DD5 21 (1-18) happens long enough after the previous story for Daredevil to get a bunch of information on criminals, study it and put together a target list and a plan in his spare time. So, two weeks? A month? Luke Cage appears and nothing is mentioned abut the Defenders (DD5 21 came out the month before DEF5 1), so we’re likely before DEF5 1. DD5 21 (19-20) happens long enough after for a trial to result from the action.

DD5 22 (1-17) is the trial, and DD5 22 (18-20) is “two weeks later.” Kingpin appears at the end.

DD5 23 (1-18) happens “two appeals” after DD5 22 (1-17). I’m… not sure how long an appeal takes. Let’s say two weeks all together? *shrug* She-Hulk appears (same month as H4 8) and it’s snowing in New York. DD5 23 (19-20) is “two weeks later.”

DD5 24 is the day after DD5 23 (19-20).

DD5 25 (1-15) happens long enough after DD5 24 for the case to go to the Supreme Court. In the real world this could take years, but let’s say this is special and didn’t take as long as normal. Given the Supreme Court’s schedule, let’s put this on either February 21, March 20 or April 17 (before SECRET EMPIRE; I’m assuming a fascist takeover of America would disrupt things a tad). DD5 25 (16-20) is “ten days later.”

DD5 26 talks about the last issue like it was recent but that doesn’t have to be the case. Daredevil goes missing for “a long time” in China from DD5 26-28 and by the time he’s back Wilson Fisk is mayor of New York City. NYC mayoral elections are normally the year after presidential elections, so we’re well past SECRET EMPIRE by this point. I haven’t read any SECRET EMPIRE yet; does Daredevil appear in it at all? Could he have been in China the whole time? Also, I suppose that after SECRET EMPIRE the election schedule could have been thrown off (meaning, it may not have been in November).

[StrayLamb]

BP6 9-11 happens fairly quickly. BP6 12-13 starts at some later point (a flashback in #13 puts at least three weeks between BP6 11-2) and Storm appears (same month as X:G 1-2). BP6 14-15 starts a bit later, lasts a day and Storm appears again. BP6 16-17 is the day after BP6 14. BP6 18 ends on a cliffhanger, of course. Dr. Faustus is the villain, so likely before he’s recruited by Madam Hydra over in CA:SR.

Dr Faustus turns up again in BP6 169.. BP6 basically ignores Secret Empire..

INHSPRIME starts shortly after IvX and leads up to ROYALS 1 where the Inhuman royal family leaves Earth to look for Terrigen with Marvel Boy. I know some Inhumans appear on Earth at least through “Christmas,” so this issue probably lasts longer than it seems. Or, it took a while between Marvel Boy approaching the Inhumans and when they leave. Here are some possible breaks:

INHSPRIME (1-2) Marvel Boy watches the news report on IvX
INHSPRIME (3-21) the Inhumans capture Maximus
INHSPRIME (22-28) Maximus’ trial, where it’s decided to exile him
INHSPRIME (29-30) Marvel Boy shows up, Crystal mentions a new Inhuman has finally come out of their cocoon
ROYALS 1 the new Inhuman has been in her cocoon for “three months,” so in theory this could be three months after IvX. Continued directly from the end of INHSPRIME, and the Inhumans decide to leave Earth “tomorrow.” Crystal tells Luna that she’ll be spending the holidays with Karnak, but she’s possibly (ahem) talking about Inhuman holidays.

I know it's irrelevant, but i placed the break between pages 21 & 22 in my own listing..

Don't know if it makes a difference to the holidays, but Luna has been schooling at the Braddock Academy in England.

Daredevil goes missing for “a long time” in China from DD5 26-28 and by the time he’s back Wilson Fisk is mayor of New York City. NYC mayoral elections are normally the year after presidential elections, so we’re well past SECRET EMPIRE by this point. I haven’t read any SECRET EMPIRE yet; does Daredevil appear in it at all? Could he have been in China the whole time? Also, I suppose that after SECRET EMPIRE the election schedule could have been thrown off (meaning, it may not have been in November).

Daredevil has a major role in Secret Empire, where he is stuck under the Darkforce Dome in Manhattan, along with Wilson Fisk, Dr Strange, Cloak & Dagger, Luke Cage & Iron Fist, and others. Fisk's actions during Secret Empire lead to his running for mayor. I'm assuming Matt must have been in China for at least most of Fisk's campaign to become mayor.

[Col_Fury]

Looks like I'll have to read ahead on Black Panther a bit. It's also possible to put a break in BP6 12 (right before Black Panther meets with Storm, between pages 18-19) and put BP6 13-??? after SECRET EMPIRE. Faustus doesn't die in the crossover or anything, does he? If not, I'm kind of liking this option. If so, this would put BP6 13-FB during BP6 12, instead of before.

Between pages 21-22 of INHSPRIME is where I'm leaning for the break, also.

With Daredevil appearing in SECRET EMPIRE, I'll say that DD5 26 starts after that crossover.

Thanks!

Also, MCM 0 (1-18) happens “weeks” after CWII 8 (1-34). Captain Marvel makes up with Spider-Woman here, but they also make up in SW6 13-16. This came out the same month as SW6 14, so I’ll say the conversation seen in MCM 0 leads to them finally actually making up in SW6 13-16. MCM 0 (19-20) happens shortly before MCM 1.

MCM 1 happens in a day. Black Panther and Captain America cameo. The planetary shield is being built, so this is after CWII:OATH and probably a while before CA:SR 14 where it’s tested.

MCM 2-3 happens shortly after #1, maybe a few days? MCM 4 is the next day.

[StrayLamb]

Looks like I'll have to read ahead on Black Panther a bit. It's also possible to put a break in BP6 12 (right before Black Panther meets with Storm, between pages 18-19) and put BP6 13-??? after SECRET EMPIRE. Faustus doesn't die in the crossover or anything, does he? If not, I'm kind of liking this option. If so, this would put BP6 13-FB during BP6 12, instead of before.

Dr Faustus is free to pick up after Secret Empire. Placing BP6 13 onwards after Secret Empire might work better for Thunderball as well. He's still a villain throughout Secret Empire, also in Iron Man 597, which is well after Secret Empire. T'Challa speaks to him in BP6 16, then in BP6 167, he's released into Wakandan custody, helps the team through issue 170, and appears to be reformed at that point.

[Col_Fury]

An update (as always, any of this is fluid and subject to change):

CM8 10 (20-30)
CHMPS2 1 (2:4-5)-FB
PM&IF3 10-11 (Strange appears in red cloak) [October 14?]
PM&IF3 12 (2-7)-FB (lasts a week)
CA:SAMW 14-16
MOSAIC 7 (1-3)
ULTS² 1 & 2-FB
DD5 11-14 (“a few weeks” since #10) (before IvX)
CHMPS2 1-4
DD5 15-19 & 20 (1-19)
SCRW2 13-14 (“6 weeks” after SCRW2 11-12)
P11 1-13 (lasts over a month, this is when it ends; no appearances for Frank elsewhere since CWII:CS)
IvX / MOSAIC 7 (4-10)
INHSPRIME (1-21)
UX4 19
CA:SR 7
VLOKI 1 (1-9) [October 19]
ANX2 19
DS@2 1 (at least “2 weeks” after DS4 11) [October 20?]
XPRIME (1-28)
MOSAIC 7 (11-20) & 8
PM&IF3 12 [October 21?]
DS/P:MB 1-4
CA:SR 8
SLORD2 1 (“a rough few weeks” since GOTG arrived on Earth) (X-Mansion still in Limbo)
SLORD2 2 (1-3) (old Star-Lord suit) (newspaper says September 22, but must be October 22)
VLOKI 1 (10-20) [October 22-26]
DS4 12-16 [October 24-26?]
VLOKI 2 [October 26-27]
MCM 0 (1-18) (“weeks” after CWII 8 (1-34))
SCRW2 15
SW6 13-16
A6 1-6
PM&IF3 13 (a week later) (Jessica has left Luke) [October 28?]
PM&IF3 14-FB
CA:SAMW 17-18
DS4 17-19
VLOKI 3 [October 29]
MU2 1-5 (and various 1.MU tie-ins) (new Star-Lord suit, not yet fully bearded) (Gamora free) (Strange blue cloak)
AYOM/:UNC [Halloween]
MT2 8 (1) [October 30 – November 3]
GOTG4 14
NO7 1-3
INFIM 1 (1-12)
GOTG4 15 (1-17)
INFIM 1 (13-16:3)
GOTG4 15 (18-19:2)
GOTG4 15 (19:3-20) ~ INFIM 1 (16:4-17)
INFIM 1 (18-21)
NO7 4-7 & 7 (1-16) (before GOTG4 17)
GOTG4 16-17 (Gamora imprisoned)
VLOKI 4 (1-7) [November 3]
SLORD2 2 (4-17) (new Star-Lord suit, fully bearded) (two weeks later, so November 5)
MT2 8 (2) [November 4 – November 7]
MT2 8 (3-20), 9-12 [November 8]
VLOKI 4 (8-20) [November 7-8]
MSM4 13 [November 7-9]
SLORD2 2 (18-20) (three days later, so November 8)
NO7 7 (17-20) (“1 week” after #7 (1-16))
BP6 9-11
UWASP 1-7, 8 (1-19) (MG&DDINO 13 “recent”)
PM&IF3 14-15 (19 days after #13) [November 11-14?]
MSM4 14-17 (lasts several days)
BP:WWKND 6
CA:SAMW 19-20 & 21-FB
DD5 20 (20) & DD5 21 (1-18)
SW6 17
AYOM/:UNC /2 [Thanksgiving]
CA:SR 9-10 (shortly before CWII:OATH)
JJ 1-6 (Jessica gets out of prison)
CWII:OATH-FB-FB (“days” before CWII:OATH)
DEF5 1-2, 3 (1-6)
CWII:OATH-FB (same day as CWII:OATH) [November?]
CWII:OATH
JJ 7-11, 12 (1-8) (the day after CWII:OATH)
MCM 0 (19-20), 1-4
SLORD2 3-5 (three weeks later, lasts two days, so November 29-30)
BP6 12 (1-18)
RR3 1-5
CA:SR 11-14 (about a week after #10) (GOTG still on Earth)
SLORD2 6 (about a week later, so December 5-ish)
DD5 21 (19-20), 22 (1-17)
GOTG4 18-19 (GOTG leave Earth)
DEF5 3 (10-20), 4-???
CHMPS2 5
MT2 13-14
DD5 23 (1-18) (snowy, She-Hulk appears)
ULTS² 2-5 & 6 (1-18) (holiday season)
AYOM/ /11 [shortly before Christmas]
PM&IF@ 1 [Christmas]
DP6 21-24 [Christmas]
DD5 23 (19-20) & DD5 24
AYOM/ /12 [New Year's Eve]
CHMPS2 6-7 (shortly after New Year)
ULTS² 6 (19-20) (shortly before college semester?)
UWASP 8 (20) (“two months” after #8 (1-19))
EXX 20
XPRIME (29-30)
INHSPRIME (22-30)
ROYALS 1
PATSYWAHCAT 17
A6 7-8
DS4 20
DP6 26-27 [Valentine’s]
CHMPS2 8
DD5 25 (1-15) [February 21]
UA3 18-23
CA:SR 15
CA:SAMW 21
CHMPS2 9
DD5 25 (16-20) [March 3]
TB3 10-12
SECRET EMPIRE

STILL TO DO:

ALL-NEW GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY 1-???
ALL-NEW WOLVERINE 13-???
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN v4 19-28
AMERICA 1-???
BEN REILLY: SCARLET SPIDER 1-???
BLACK BOLT 1-???
BULLSEYE 1-5
CABLE v3 1-???
CLONE CONSPIRACY 1-5 & OMEGA
DEADPOOL v6 20-24, 26-30
DEADPOOL & THE MERCS FOR MONEY v2 9-10
DEADPOOL: TOO SOON? 1-4?
DEADPOOL THE DUCK 1-5?
DEADPOOL vs. PUNISHER 1-5?
DEFENDERS v5 6-???
DOCTOR STRANGE & THE SORCERERS SUPREME 1-12?
EDGE OF VENOMVERSE 1-5?
ELEKTRA v3 1-5?
FOOLKILLER v3 1-5
FREE COMIC BOOK DAY 2016: CAPTAIN AMERICA (2nd story)
FREE COMIC BOOK DAY 2017: ALL-NEW GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY (both stories)
FREE COMIC BOOK DAY 2017: SECRET EMPIRE (2nd story)
GAMORA 1-5?
GENERATION X v2 1-???
GHOST RIDER v8 1-5
GREAT LAKES AVENGERS 1-7
GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY: MOTHER ENTROPY 1-5?
GWENPOOL HOLIDAY SPECIAL
HAWKEYE v5 1-???
HULK v4 1-???
I AM GROOT 1-5?
ICEMAN v3 1-???
INFAMOUS IRON MAN 2-???
INVINCIBLE IRON MAN v3 1-???
IRON FIST v5 1-???
JEAN GREY 1-???
KINGPIN v2 1-5
LUKE CAGE 1-???
MAN-THING v4 1-5?
MIGHTY THOR v2 15-???
MONSTERS UNLEASHED! v3 1-???
MOON GIRL & DEVIL DINOSAUR 13-???
MS. MARVEL v4 18-???
NICK FURY 1-6?
OCCUPY AVENGERS 1-7
OLD MAN LOGAN v2 14-???
PATSY WALKER, AKA HELLCAT! 9-17
PETER PARKER, THE SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN v2 1-???
PROWLER v2 1-6
PUNISHER v11 14-???
ROCKET 1-6
ROYALS 2-???
SILK v2 14-19
SLAPSTICK v2 1-6
SOLO v2 1-5
SPIDER-MAN/DEADPOOL 4-???
SPIDER-MAN v2 11-???
SPIDER-MEN II 1-5?
STAR-LORD ANNUAL 1
THANOS v2 1-???
TOTALLY AWESOME HULK 13-???
U.S.AVENGERS 1-4
UNBEATABLE SQUIRREL GIRL v2 16-???
UNBELIEVABLE GWENPOOL 7-???
UNWORTHY THOR 1-5
VENOM v3 1-???
WEAPON X v3 1-???
X-MEN: BLUE 1-6
X-MEN: GOLD 1-6

[Col_Fury]

OML2 14-15 happens in one night before IvX (the Terrigen cloud is still a problem. Jubilee appears (same as PATSYWAHCAT 12-13, where she’s a supporting character).

OML2 16-18 happens in a day, Puck appears (same as MCM 1-2). The old man decides he has to go back to his time. OML2 19-FB starts “nine days” (and spans those nine days to the present) before OML2 19, and has the old man asking various people to help him time travel. OML2 19-24 then happens in a day. Doctor Strange appears in OML2 19-FB (same as DS4 18) and so does Doctor Doom (same as INFIM 6).

I’m sure we’re past IvX by this point and still most likely before SECRET EMPIRE. Nothing’s said about Limbo, but my guess is this is before it’s moved to Central Park (I could be wrong, though).

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PATSYWAHCAT 9-10 happens in a night and Hellcat seems to think She-Hulk is dead or something. I suppose this needs to go before She-Hulk wakes up from her coma, so during CWII. Black Cat appears on the last page plotting against Hellcat.

PATSYWAHCAT 11-FB happens “weeks ago” and Black Cat gets a minion group. In the present, Black Cat and her group figures out that Patsy Walker is Hellcat and attacks. The fight continues in #12-14 and lasts two days. #15-16 happens soon after (like, a day or three) and is in “mid-February.” Ms. America appears (the month before her book starts). Patsy hallucinates She-Hulk again, but she’s also sick so whatever.

PATSYWAHCAT 17 happens at some later point and Hellcat finally hears from She-Hulk (I guess Hellcat was just being dramatic about things). Lots of cameos at the end where Hellcat is buying things for people (because now she’s rich). Squirrel Girl (same as USQG2 19), Cage & Jones (who are together) and the aforementioned Doctor Strange and Wong.

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USQG2 16 is Squirrel Girl’s birthday. Mighty Thor (same as MT2 15), Thor Odinson, Iron Man (AI-thing or whatever it is), Loki, Spider-Man (Peter, same as ASM4 23), Black Widow, Captain America (Sam, same as CA:SAMW 17-18) and Red Skull appear. Odison has been in hiding or something from what I’ve seen, so I’ll have to figure out when he gets back into circulation.

USQG2 17 is while college is in session and starts a new plot. Lasts at least a few days and Squirrel Girl gets a new costume. #18 happens on a Saturday, #19 lasts two days & #20 wraps everything up. Galactus cameos in #20 (the month after ULTS² 6) and mentions he hasn’t hungered in “weeks.” Galactus got fixed up (again) in ULTS² 6, so maybe this is “weeks” after the main part of that?

USQG2 21 happens over a weekend.

USQG2 22 starts a Savage Land story, and I’m going to say this is after SECRET EMPIRE.

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DEF5 3 (10-20) & 4-5 continue into #6 where Black Cat is put onto a coma. She’s still in a coma in #7 where Daredevil is back into his red suit which basically means we’re past SECRET EMPIRE. *sigh*

I think we’re going to have to say that DEF5 3 (7-9) spans “months.” Daredevil is still wearing his black suit in DEF5 6 and there is a short break between #6-7, but that would mean Black Cat is in a coma during SECRET EMPIRE (also, Hammerhead’s club is wrecked in #4-6 and is still wrecked in #7). Apparently Black Cat decides to go straight in DEF5 10 which is obviously after SECRET EMPIRE. So really, DEF5 4-10 have to be Black Cat’s last appearances as a crime lord.

I don’t see any appearances of Black Cat or Hammerhead during SECRET EMPIRE. In theory, DEF5 4-6 could be Black Cat’s last appearance before SECRET EMPIRE and then DEF5 7-10 could happen after the crossover, as long as there aren’t any appearances of her as a crime lord after SECRET EMPIRE. I see she’s in some issues of AMERICA, V3 and SM2 that I haven’t read yet. Is she a crime lord in any of those, and are they post-SECRET EMPIRE?

[Michael]

The Black Cat appears as a crimelord in the Venom Inc crossover- and she quits being a crimelord in those issues AGAIN. Venom Inc is definitely after Secret Empire- the Secret Empire issues of Amazing Spider-Man are 29-31, and the Venom Inc issues of Amazing Spider-Man are 792-793. (Amazing Spider-Man 789 follows issue 32- am I the only one who finds these number switches annoying?) And further confusing the issue, she's in a meeting of crimelords in Daredevil 600, which is also post-Secret Empire. And just to confuse things further, FCBD: Amazing Spider-Man takes place before Daredevil 601 according to a footnote, which means it has to take place before Daredevil 600, since the Kingpin appears in FCBD: Amazing Spider-Man, and he's hospitalized during issue 601 from injuries received in issue 600. The problem is FCBD: Amazing Spider-Man also takes place after Venom Inc.

[StrayLamb]

USQG2 16 is Squirrel Girl’s birthday. Mighty Thor (same as MT2 15), Thor Odinson, Iron Man (AI-thing or whatever it is), Loki, Spider-Man (Peter, same as ASM4 23), Black Widow, Captain America (Sam, same as CA:SAMW 17-18) and Red Skull appear. Odison has been in hiding or something from what I’ve seen, so I’ll have to figure out when he gets back into circulation.

Thor Odinson is a captive of the Collector on Old Asgard during Unworthy Thor 1-4. He returns in Mighty Thor 19. Unworthy Thor 5 (20) and Mighty Thor 20 (19-20) depict the same scene, which occurs on Old Asgard shortly after Odinson escapes. Theoretically, Odinson has been on Old Asgard since just after Civil War II, and can't appear anywhere else for the duration, so USQG2 16 must occur after that.

USQG2 17 is while college is in session and starts a new plot. Lasts at least a few days and Squirrel Girl gets a new costume. #18 happens on a Saturday, #19 lasts two days & #20 wraps everything up. Galactus cameos in #20 (the month after ULTS² 6) and mentions he hasn’t hungered in “weeks.” Galactus got fixed up (again) in ULTS² 6, so maybe this is “weeks” after the main part of that?

Is Galactus purple or gold here.? I don't get Squirrel Girl or Moon Girl as a general rule. This really needs to be after ULTS² 6, so he should be gold, ie. Galactus the Lifegiver.

DEF5 3 (10-20) & 4-5 continue into #6 where Black Cat is put onto a coma. She’s still in a coma in #7 where Daredevil is back into his red suit which basically means we’re past SECRET EMPIRE. *sigh*

I think we’re going to have to say that DEF5 3 (7-9) spans “months.” Daredevil is still wearing his black suit in DEF5 6 and there is a short break between #6-7, but that would mean Black Cat is in a coma during SECRET EMPIRE (also, Hammerhead’s club is wrecked in #4-6 and is still wrecked in #7). Apparently Black Cat decides to go straight in DEF5 10 which is obviously after SECRET EMPIRE. So really, DEF5 4-10 have to be Black Cat’s last appearances as a crime lord.

I don’t see any appearances of Black Cat or Hammerhead during SECRET EMPIRE. In theory, DEF5 4-6 could be Black Cat’s last appearance before SECRET EMPIRE and then DEF5 7-10 could happen after the crossover, as long as there aren’t any appearances of her as a crime lord after SECRET EMPIRE. I see she’s in some issues of AMERICA, V3 and SM2 that I haven’t read yet. Is she a crime lord in any of those, and are they post-SECRET EMPIRE?

Black Cat is a crime-lord in the Spider-Miles issues, Peter Parker: The Spectacular Spider-Man 300/2, and Daredevil 598-603, and counting. The Daredevil issues occur about one month after Fisk becomes Mayor (according to the story).

In Daredevil 600, Black Cat arrives at Sarno’s, where she comments that she sees Diamondback there, a man who tried to kill her, and Hammerhead, a man who, last she checked, works for her.. so after Defenders 5.

Black Cat is still a Crime-Lord thru Venom, Inc., but although Michael suggests above that she stops being a Crime-Lord here, what actually happens is her warehouse is trashed, and Eddie Brock suggests she give up her life of crime, as the city needs heroes. There's no evidence here that she has given it up at this point, but he plants the seed in her mind.

Black Cat continues to be a Crime-Lord in Despicable Deadpool 297, where aboard Tombstone’s luxury yacht, the Queen Kathleen, he hosts a casino for Black Cat, Hammerhead, Typhoid May, Stilt-Man, Max Dillon, aka Electro, who has managed to return from the dead, Diamondback, Jack O’Lantern, and Lady Stilt-Man.

I think there's a significant break between Defenders 9 & 10, during which Black Bolt 9 (9-20), issues 10-12, plus Inhumans: Judgment Day must occur, due to references to Crusher Creel's funeral. Much of the other material containing Black Cat could also go in this gap. Defenders 10 has to go last, as this is where Black Cat decides to give up her life of crime.

[Col_Fury]

Well, OK then.

Daredevil's in his black suit during SECRET EMPIRE, so it's not a big problem for him to have DEF5 4-6 after the crossover.

I'm just going to assume DEF5 3 (10-20) to the end is all after the crossover and figure out Black Cat's situation later. *shrug*

Thanks!

Galactus gets a hand-wavy pass for Squirrel Girl; he's referenced the lifegiver stuff while still being purple. Everyone sees him differently, etc. blah blah

OMG BETA RAY BILL IS IN UNWORTHY THOR I'M GOING TO READ IT RIGHT NOW

[Clive_Reston]

Galactus's one-panel appearance in Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #20 seems... symbolic more than "actual." I mean, he's wearing a smoking jacket. I'd go so far as to say that it's an unreliable bit of invention *by* the story's omniscient narrator--to whose caption Galactus's dialogue is directly responding. (Laura/Wolverine's BTS/other-end-of-a-phone-call appearance on the same page, though, seems much more legitimately canonical.)

Daredevil 600 seems to take place way later than various other things that are going on (Fisk is no longer mayor as of 601, but Moon Girl & Devil Dinosaur just started a sequence that takes place while he's mayor).

I can only conclude that Black Cat keeps trying and failing to quit the crimelord game.

Not quite relevant to this, but may amuse some of you (or make you tear out your hair): the "present-day" part of ASM 801 (Dan Slott's final Spider-Man issue) appears to take place shortly before ASM:SWING, his first issue!

[Col_Fury]

I think there's a significant break between Defenders 9 & 10, during which Black Bolt 9 (9-20), issues 10-12, plus Inhumans: Judgment Day must occur, due to references to Crusher Creel's funeral.

Creel's death is referenced in DEF5 8, so (I'm assuming) all of that would have to happen before DEF5 8.

Also, Moonstone and Fixer appear in DEF5 8 so this really should be after Secret Empire (they're with Winter Soldier before Secret Empire).

[StrayLamb]

Daredevil 600 seems to take place way later than various other things that are going on (Fisk is no longer mayor as of 601, but Moon Girl & Devil Dinosaur just started a sequence that takes place while he's mayor).

Fisk is still technically mayor. Matt is acting mayor during Fisk's convalescence. The story hasn't fully unfolded yet in DD, so we don't know how it ends, although i'm admittedly an issue or two behind the times due to shipping. I'm assuming (and i know i shouldn't) that Fisk will recover and resume the mantle of mayor when he's recovered.

I think there's a significant break between Defenders 9 & 10, during which Black Bolt 9 (9-20), issues 10-12, plus Inhumans: Judgment Day must occur, due to references to Crusher Creel's funeral.

Creel's death is referenced in DEF5 8, so (I'm assuming) all of that would have to happen before DEF5 8.

Also, Moonstone and Fixer appear in DEF5 8 so this really should be after Secret Empire (they're with Winter Soldier before Secret Empire).

SPOILER WARNING! Reviewing this, i find i need to get specific here.

Black Bolt 9 (1-8) - Titania learns of Creel's death.

Defenders 8 - Titania is dealing with the death of Creel. Daredevil reveals his identity to the Defenders. Throughout the Daredevil issues, the Defenders are unaware of his identity.

Defenders 9 - They definitively take down Diamondback, who is out and about during the Daredevil issues. Black Cat surrenders to Luke Cage, telling him her criminal days are over..

Black Bolt 9 (9-20) - Creel's funeral, attended by Thor Odinson and Captain America (Steve Rogers). This issue leads immediately into the following in quick succession..

Black Bolt 10 (1-8)
Inhumans: Judgment Day 1 (1-13)
Black Bolt 10 (9-10)
Inhumans: Judgment Day 1 (14-26) ~ Black Bolt 10 (11-14)
Inhumans: Judgment Day 1 (27-30)
Black Bolt 10 (15-20)
Black Bolt 11 - Creel rises from the grave
Black Bolt 12 (1-16)
Black Bolt 12 (17-20) - a week later

Defenders 10 - Black Cat is in remand, where she has been since Defenders 9..

All of this has to go after Secret Empire, as does Daredevil, and everything else that depicts Fisk as mayor, as he runs for office based in his actions during Secret Empire, where he helps out Manhattanites under the Darkforce dome. (sorry for edits..)

[Michael]

Fisk is still technically mayor. Matt is acting mayor during Fisk's convalescence. The story hasn't fully unfolded yet in DD, so we don't know how it ends, although i'm admittedly an issue or two behind the times due to shipping. I'm assuming (and i know i shouldn't) that Fisk will recover and resume the mantle of mayor when he's recovered.

Fisk wakes up at the end of Daredevil 604.

[Col_Fury]

MT2 15-19 lasts a week, and is a big fight in outer space with no breaks.

USQG2 16 (which I’d like to put in “January” if possible) was published the same month as MT2 15 and UNWT 3.

The Generations one-shot was published the same month as MT2 22.

Unworthy Thor returns in MT2 19 and then there’s a break until MT2 20 (Mighty Thor was preparing to tell unworthy Thor who she was at the end of #19; #20 starts with her saying he left when she told him (off-panel) and now they’re finally having a chat about it now that he’s calmed down).

MT2 20 starts a story that goes through T 700 and beyond, so we’re past SECEMP by this point.

UNWT 1-4 & 5 (1-19) have to happen before MT2 15-19. UNWT 5 (20) (which happens “days later”) mirrors MT2 20 (19-20). Obviously, that’s going to have to be more “days” than implied. Heck, 3 days, 30 days and 300 days are all still “days later,” right?