CIVIL WAR II to SECRET EMPIRE

[Col_Fury]

Here's where we're at:

CM8 10 (20-30)
GLA 1-7
FCDB2016:CA /2 (1-4:3) (“a few weeks” before ASM4 19)
ASM4 19/2 (1-7:1)
FCBD2016:CA /2 (4:4)
ASM4 19/2 (7:3)
FCBD2016:CA /2 (5:1)
ASM4 19/2 (7:4)
FCBD2016:CA /2 (5:2-5:4)
ASM4 19/2 (8:2)
FCBD2016:CA /2 (5:5)
ASM4 19/2 (8:3-8:5)
FCBD2016:CA /2 (6-9)
IIM3 1
CHMPS2 1 (2:4-5)-FB
CASW 14-16
MOSAIC 7 (1-3)
ULTS² 1 & 2-FB
DD5 11-14 (“a few weeks” since #10) (before IvX)
CHMPS2 1-4
OML2 14-15 (before IvX)
UINHS 15-17
DD5 15-19 & 20 (1-19)
P11 1-13 (lasts over a month, this is when it ends; no appearances for Frank elsewhere since CWII:CS)
IvX
INHSPRIME (1-21)
UX4 19
TAH 13-14
SGWEN2 14
SM/DP 11 [October?]
BULL 1-5 (before CWII:OATH)
CASR 7
A6 1-6 (before ASM4 16-18)
VLOKI 1 (1-9) [October 19]
ANX2 19
DS@2 1 (at least “2 weeks” after DS4 11) [October 20?]
ASM4 16-18
ASM4 20-FB (spans a few days)
ASM4 19
X:B 2-FB
XPRIME (1-28)
MOSAIC 7 (11-20) & 8
DS/P:MB 1-4
SOLO2 1-5 (before ASM4 25-28, BP6 9-11)
CASR 8
IIM3 2
EL4 1-5
SLORD2 1 (“a rough few weeks” since GOTG arrived on Earth) (X-Mansion still in Limbo)
SLORD2 2 (1-3) (old Star-Lord suit) (newspaper says September 22, but must be October 22)
VLOKI 1 (10-20) [October 22-26] (JJJ with FACT channel)
GOTG4 14
INFIM 1 (1-12)
GOTG4 15 (1-17)
INFIM 1 (13-16:3)
GOTG4 15 (18-19:2)
GOTG4 15 (19:3-20) ~ INFIM 1 (16:4-17)
INFIM 1 (18-21)
INFIM 2-5 (Hill around)
MG&DDINO 12 (18-20) & 13-14
CASR 9-10 (shortly before CWII:OATH)
CWII:OATH-FB-FB (“days” before CWII:OATH)
DS4 12-16 [October 24-26?]
PM&IF3 14-15 (19 days after #13) [October 26?]
VLOKI 2 [October 26-27]
AYOM/:UNC [shortly before Halloween]
JJ 1-6 (Jessica gets out of prison) ("Jameson's FACT channel")
CLONE CONSPIRACY (JJJ fired from FACT channel)
PROWL2 6
SILK2 18
CLNCON:O /2
SM2 11 (Hill with SHIELD, Miles’ dad goes missing)
SM2 12-FB-FB (Hill with SHIELD, before CWII:OATH)
SGWEN2 16
SM2 13-FB
SGWEN2 17
SM2 14-FB-FB
SM2 14-FB (Champions already a thing)
SGWEN2 18 (1-18) (after CLONE CONSPIRACY)
SM2 12-FB
SGWEN2 18 (19-20)
SM2 15 (1-17)
SM2 12-14
SM2 15 (18) (Diamondback appears, before DEF5 1)
HAWK5 1-5, 6 (1-19)
FCBD2017:ANGOTG /2
DEF5 1-2, 3 (1-6)
CLNCON:O /3 (a few days later)
ASM4 25-28 (the following day or three)
SCRW2 15
SW6 13-16
CASW 17-18
DS4 17-19
MONSTERS UNLEASHED! (new Star-Lord suit, not yet fully bearded) (Gamora free) (Strange blue cloak) (Hill w/SHIELD)
ANW 13-18 (Hill w/SHIELD)
MCM 0 (1-18) (“weeks” after CWII 8 (1-34))
CWII:OATH-FB (same day as CWII:OATH)
CWII:OATH (Hill leaves SHIELD)
JJ 7-11, 12 (1-8) (the day after CWII:OATH)
SM2 15 (19-20) (Hill no longer with SHIELD, after CWII:OATH)
IIM3 3-6 (Hill no longer around, Defenders a thing, Riri takes “Ironheart” name)
VLOKI 3 [October 29]
MCM 0 (19-20), 1-4 (after CWII:OATH, before CASR 11-14)
NO7 1-3
MG&DDINO 15 & 16 (1-17) [Hallowen]
GP HSPEC /5 [Halloween]
MT2 8 (1) [October 30 – November 3]
NO7 4-6 & 7 (1-16) (before GOTG4 17)
MG&DDINO 16 (18-20) & 17 (“a few days later,” after IvX)
GOTG4 16-17 (Gamora imprisoned)
VLOKI 4 (1-7) [November 3]
SLORD2 2 (4-17) (new Star-Lord suit, fully bearded) (two weeks later, so November 5)
MT2 8 (2) [November 4 – November 7]
MT2 8 (3-20), 9-12 [November 8]
VLOKI 4 (8-20) [November 7-8]
MSM4 13 [November 7-9]
SLORD2 2 (18-20) (three days later, so November 8)
NO7 7 (17-20) (“1 week” after #7 (1-16))
SLAP2 1-6
CASR 11-FB (about a week after #10) (GOTG still on Earth)
BP6 9-11
UWASP 1-7, 8 (1-19) (MG&DDINO 13 “recent”)
MSM4 14-17 (lasts several days)
K2 1
BP:WWKND 6
DD5 20 (20) & DD5 21 (1-18)
K2 2-4
GP HSPEC-BTS (Santa casts spell)
GP HSPEC /3 [Thanksgiving]
MG&DDINO 18 [Thanksgiving]
AYOM/:UNC /2 [Thanksgiving]
SLORD2 3-5 (three weeks later, lasts two days, so November 29-30)
BP6 12 (1-18)
RR3 1-5
SLORD2 6 (about a week later, so December 5-ish)
DPTD 1-5
ANGOTG 10-FB
DD5 21 (19-20), 22 (1-17)
MT2 13-14
GOTG4 18-19 (GOTG leave Earth)
CHMPS2 5
TAH 15-18
THANOS2 1 (1-14) (Thanos returns to Black Quadrant)
UNWT 1-4, 5 (1-19) (before MT2 15-19, Thanos in Black Quadrant)
X:B 1 (“2 months” after X:B 2-FB)
K2 5
DD5 22 (18-20) (“two weeks” later) [December 20?]
ULTS² 2-5 & 6 (1-18) (holiday season)
AYOM/ /11 [shortly before Christmas]
GP HSPEC, /2, /4 [Christmas Eve]
SM/DP 12 [Christmas Eve]
PM&IF@ 1 [Christmas]
DP6 21-24 [Christmas]
ROCKET 1-6
GOTG:DO
GOTG:ME 1-5
AYOM/ /12 [New Year's Eve]
OML2 16-18, 19-FB
ANGOTG 7-FB (Drax becomes a pacifist)
CHMPS2 6-7 (shortly after the New Year)
ULTS² 6 (19-20) (shortly before college semester?)
UWASP 8 (20) (“two months” after #8 (1-19))
ANGOTG 9 (Groot gets tiny)
GR8 1-5
OML2 19-24 (“9 days” since OML2 19-FB)
SILK2 19
CASW 19-20 & 21-FB (before January 20)
AMERICA 1, 2 (1-8) (start of school semester)
EXX 20
XPRIME (29-30)
X:G 12-FB
X:G 1-3 (before MT2 15-19)
MT2 15-19 (before USQG2 16)
GENX2 1-FB
X:B 2-3
JG 1-3 (after MT2 15-19)
GENX2 1-2
USQG2 16 [January 21?]
U.S.A 1-3 [after January 20]
INHSPRIME (22-30)
ROYALS 1
UGP 7-10
PATSYWAHCAT 11-FB [late-January]
OCCA 1-2
USQG2 17-20 (“weeks” after ULTS² 6?)
PATSYWAHCAT 11-14
FCBD2017:SECEMP /2
DP6 26 [Valentine’s]
ICE3 1
PATSYWAHCAT 15-16 [mid-February]
MSM4 18
UGP 11
GENX2 3-4 (“a few weeks” after GEX2 1-2)
THANOS2 1 (15-20), 2-6
H4 1-5, 6 (1-18)
CHMPS2 8
H4 6 (19-20) (“a week later”)
SLORD@ 1
SW6 17
UGP 12-20
IGROOT 1-5
PATSYWAHCAT 17
BRSCRS 1-7, 8-FB
DS&SSS 1-12
A6 7-8
AMERICA 2 (9-20), 3-4
ICE3 2-3
ROYALS 2-8
ANW 19-21
DD5 23 (1-18) (snowy, She-Hulk appears)
OCCA 3-4
GENX2 5
V 150/2, V3 1-6, V 150-153
HAWK5 6 (20), 7-11
X:B 4-5
INFIM 6-12 (Ironheart appears, Hill no longer around)
DD5 23 (19-20) & 24 (“two weeks later”) [early/mid March]
X:G 4-6
OCCA 5-7
H4 7-10
NF 1-6
V 154
THANOS2 7-12 (“4 weeks” after THANOS2 6)
IIM3 7-10 (after INFIM 6-12)
DD5 25 (1-15) [March 20]
DP6 27-28 \ SM/DP 15 \ DP&MFM2 9 \ SM/DP 16 \ DP&MFM2 10 \ DP6 29
FOOL3 1-5
AMERICA 5-6 (spring break)
DPV.P 1-5 (before CASW 21)
WX3 1-3 \ TAH 19 \ WX3 4 \ WMD:A \ TAH 20 \ WX3 5 \ TAH 21 \ WX3 6 \ TAH 22
WX3 7-11
V@2 1
P11 14
ICE3 4-5
CASW 24-FB
CASW 21
SM/DP 19-20
MU3 1-5
M-T5 1-5
PPSSM2 1-5
SECWARR2 5-FB
CHMPS2 9
USQG2 21
P11 15
GENX2 6-7
U.S.A 4, 5 (1-18)
X:B 6
SM/DP 21-22
OML2 25-30
P11 16-17
DP6 30
ANGOTG 11, 5, FCBD2017:ANGOTG, ANGOTG 3, 1, 7, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10
SECWARR2 1-FB
ANW 22-24 (“two weeks” after ANW 19-21, GOTG off-Earth, Groot small, Drax pacifist)
DP6 31
DS4 20 (1-10)
DD5 25 (16-20) [March 30]
MCM 5 (1-9)
CASR 11-13
TB3 10-12
CASR 14
UA3 18-23
DS4 20 (11-20)
CASR 15, 16 (1-19), 17-FB
CASR 16 (27)-FB
SECRET EMPIRE

[StrayLamb]

Just a small note here - Venom 154 is stated to be two weeks after Venom 153, and the story is connected with the previous issues, placing it in this section..

Looking at other issues published around this time, i suggest possibly between Nick Fury 1-6 & Thanos 7-12..

DD5 23 (1-18) (snowy, She-Hulk appears)
OCCA 3-4
GENX2 5
V 150/2, V3 1-6, V 150-153
HAWK5 6 (20), 7-11
X:B 4-5
INFIM 6-12 (Ironheart appears, Hill no longer around)
DD5 23 (19-20) & 24 (“two weeks later”) [early/mid March]
X:G 4-6
OCCA 5-7
H4 7-10
NF 1-6
V 154
THANOS2 7-12 (“4 weeks” after THANOS2 6)

Just noticed we're also missing Uncanny Inhumans 15-17, which seems to take place after Civil War II, and before IvX..

Suggested placement based on publication dates around this time..

DD5 11-14 (“a few weeks” since #10) (before IvX)
CHMPS2 1-4
OML2 14-15 (before IvX)
UINHS 15-17
DD5 15-19 & 20 (1-19)

[Col_Fury]

I haven't read past V 153 yet. Does the plot continue into 155-???. How does V 155 pick up from V 154? Depending on how later issues go we may need to ignore that "two weeks" bit. Or, of course, everything could work out just great.

Also, thanks for the UINHS bit!

[StrayLamb]

I've noticed that the trade paperback lumps V 154-158 together, however V 154 has Venom return to the hospital to visit the priest he injured. Venom realizes he's sick and vows to start on a path of redemption. It's pretty much an epilogue to V 150-153. V 155 begins a new plot involving Lee Price, the Dinosaur People, and Kraven the Hunter, and is set during Wilson Fisk's tenure as mayor, which is still going for as far as i have read, but i 'm only up to the August dated issues.

Oh, and Edge of Venomverse & Venomverse likely go in the gap between V 154 & V 155.

[Col_Fury]

I've now read V 154-155 and I agree, V 154 reads like an epilogue to the previous arc. Also, there's no mention of how long it's been since V 154 in V 155, so that's nice. Also, Parker Industries is falling apart in V 155 (stocks are plummeting, etc.) so we're past SECEMP.

Thanks!

[StrayLamb]

A slight edit is needed in the list:

SM/SP 11 & SM/SP 19-20 should be SM/DP 11 & SM/DP 19-20

[Siabod]

A couple of placement questions/issues

Jonah is fired from the FACT channel in Silk #17, part of Clone Conspiracy

However, he is seen interviewing Loki in Vote the Loki #1 and mentioned as "Jameson's FACT channel" in
JJ #4

[StrayLamb]

Vote Loki 1 came out in 08-2016, JJ 4 in 03-2017, and Silk 17 in 04-2017.

We have Vote Loki 1 where it is to fit in with the calendar. It stands alone from the following issues, and i guess we could move it back to an earlier date, before Clone Conspiracy. Jessica Jones 1-6 could probably also be moved back to before Clone Conspiracy. I don't think there's anything in either of those that would cause any character clashes if we were to move them back.

The alternative is to move Clone Conspiracy to a point after JJ 1-6, but that means moving a whole clump of issues which follow on from it..

CLONE CONSPIRACY
PROWL2 6
SILK2 18
CLNCON:O /2
SM2 11 (Hill with SHIELD, Miles’ dad goes missing)
SM2 12-FB-FB (Hill with SHIELD, before CWII:OATH)
SGWEN2 16
SM2 13-FB
SGWEN2 17
SM2 14-FB-FB
SM2 14-FB (Champions already a thing)
SGWEN2 18 (1-18) (after CLONE CONSPIRACY)
SM2 12-FB
SGWEN2 18 (19-20)
SM2 15 (1-17)
SM2 12-14
SM2 15 (18) (Diamondback appears, before DEF5 1)
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CLNCON:O /3 (a few days later)
ASM4 25-28 (the following day or three)

[Siabod]

Another placement at question

Monsters Unleashed comes after CW: Oath (she no longer in charge), but is seen as the director of SHIELD in MU#3

[StrayLamb]

Another placement at question

Monsters Unleashed comes after CW: Oath ([Hill] no longer in charge), but is seen as the director of SHIELD in MU#3

And while we're on the subject, Maria Hill is specifically stated as being Director of SHIELD in All-New Wolverine 15, which is even further down the list. Both of these items need to be moved to before Oath.

The following rearrangement might work..

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JJ 1-6 (Jessica gets out of prison)
HAWK5 1-5, 6 (1-19)
FCBD2017:ANGOTG /2
DEF5 1-2, 3 (1-6)
SCRW2 15
SW6 13-16
CASW 17-18
DS4 17-19
MONSTERS UNLEASHED! (new Star-Lord suit, not yet fully bearded) (Gamora free) (Strange blue cloak) (Hill still Director of SHIELD)
ANW 13-18 (Hill still Director of SHIELD)
MCM 0 (1-18) (“weeks” after CWII 8 (1-34))
CWII:OATH-FB (same day as CWII:OATH)
CWII:OATH
JJ 7-11, 12 (1-8) (the day after CWII:OATH)
SM2 15 (19-20) (Hill no longer with SHIELD, after CWII:OATH)
---
MT2 13-14
GOTG4 18-19 (GOTG leave Earth)
ANGOTG 3
ANW 13-18
CHMPS2 5
TAH 15-18
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Also, thinking some more about JJJ and the FACT Channel, Vote Loki 1 needs to go before Clone Conspiracy, but i think the mention of "Jameson's Fact Channel" in JJ 4 can be attributed to people still speaking of that way, even JJJ's no longer involved. (There's a store near where i live that's changed hands and names twice in the past 15 years, but locals still refer to it by it's old name.)

So looks like we need to make the following changes to this section:

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SOLO2 1-5 (before ASM4 25-28, BP6 9-11)
CASR 8
IIM3 2
EL4 1-5
VLOKI 1 (10-20) [October 22-26]
CLONE CONSPIRACY
PROWL2 6
SILK2 18
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INFIM 2-5 (Hill around)
MG&DDINO 12 (18-20) & 13-14
VLOKI 1 (10-20) [October 22-26]
CASR 9-10 (shortly before CWII:OATH)
CWII:OATH-FB-FB (“days” before CWII:OATH)
DS4 12-16 [October 24-26?]
---

Does that all seem to work?

[Col_Fury]

I think I got everything discussed since April edited into the above. I moved Clone Conspiracy down instead of VLOKI 1 & JJ 1-6 up, fyi.

How's it look?

[StrayLamb]

The X-Men Gold 12 Flashback may need to be broken up. At the very least, X:G 12 (15:5-18)-FB should go after X:G 3.

X:G 12 (1-12)-FB
X:G 1
X:G 2 ~ X:G 12 (13-14)-FB
X:G 3 ~ X:G 12 (15:1-15:4)-FB
X:G 12 (15:5-18)-FB

Otherwise looks good to me.

[Siabod]

Hey

I've just noticed that wrong is still at the Sanctum in Uncanny Avengers #19, but he left at the end of Doctor Strange #20

[StrayLamb]

I've just noticed that wrong is still at the Sanctum in Uncanny Avengers #19, but he left at the end of Doctor Strange #20

So Wong is wrong.. or is wrong Wong?

I addressed this question back on page 6 of this topic, suggesting that DS4 20 be split between pages 10 & 11, where Zelma has lost track of how longe she's been nursing Stephen in Weirdworld.

I'm not sure this final section works best the way it's listed..

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UA3 18-23
CA:SR 15
DS4 20
DD5 25 (16-20) [March 30]
MCM 5 (1-9)
CA:SR 16, 17-FB
SECRET EMPIRE
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DS4 20 has a narrative break during which time Zelma loses track of how long she's been nursing Dr Strange in Weirdworld, so DS4 20 (11-20) occurs after an indeterminate break. In Uncanny Avengers 19, Deadpool attempts to get help from Stephen, but Wong tells him he's away on an important mission. DS4 20 (1-10) could be placed prior to UA3 18-23, possibly somewhere around DP6 30 or 31, which would nicely explain his absence..

I have it listed like this in my chronology ..

DP6 30
ANGOTG 11
SECWARR2 1-FB
DP6 31
DS4 20 (1-10)
DD5 25 (16-20) [March 30]
MCM 5 (1-9)
CASR 11-13
TB3 10-12
CASR 14
UA3 18-23
DS4 20 (11-30)
CASR 15, 16 (1-19), 17-FB
CASR 16 (27)-FB
SECRET EMPIRE

[Siabod]

Sorry about the double up