CIVIL WAR II to SECRET EMPIRE

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Re: CIVIL WAR II to SECRET EMPIRE

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Col_Fury wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:12 pm MCM 0 (1-18) (“weeks” after CWII 8 (1-34))
CWII:OATH-FB (same day as CWII:OATH)
CWII:OATH (Hill leaves SHIELD)
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PATSYWAHCAT 11-FB [late-January]
OCCA 1-2
USQG2 17-20 (“weeks” after ULTS² 6?)
We see Hawkeye and Red Wolf together in CWII:OATH-FB, but they only meet in OCCA 1
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Col_Fury wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:12 pm ...
CASW 24-FB
CASW 21
SM/DP 19-20
MU3 1-5
M-T5 1-5
PPSSM2 1-5
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Sam Wilson has a cameo appearance in PPSSM2 1 in his Captain America costume, which he gives up in CASW 21.
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Col_Fury said :
All-New Wolverine wakes up from her coma in ANW 22; it’s been two weeks (so no appearances for her between ANW 21-22). The Guardians of the Galaxy appear and they’re already left Earth (so after GOTG4 19) and Groot is already tiny and Drax is already a pacifist. A mention is made of Maria Hill still being with SHIELD but that’s not confirmed, it’s possible Laura is just out of the loop on things.
Unfortunately, in the listing, Laura appears in WX3 8-11 between ANW 21 and 22.
Col_Fury wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:12 pm ANW 19-21
DD5 23 (1-18) (snowy, She-Hulk appears)
OCCA 3-4
GENX2 5
V 150/2, V3 1-6, V 150-153
HAWK5 6 (20), 7-11
X:B 4-5
INFIM 6-12 (Ironheart appears, Hill no longer around)
DD5 23 (19-20) & 24 (“two weeks later”) [early/mid March]
X:G 4-6
OCCA 5-7
H4 7-10
NF 1-6
V 154
THANOS2 7-12 (“4 weeks” after THANOS2 6)
IIM3 7-10 (after INFIM 6-12)
DD5 25 (1-15) [March 20]
DP6 27-28 \ SM/DP 15 \ DP&MFM2 9 \ SM/DP 16 \ DP&MFM2 10 \ DP6 29
FOOL3 1-5
AMERICA 5-6 (spring break)
DPV.P 1-5 (before CASW 21)
WX3 1-3 \ TAH 19 \ WX3 4 \ WMD:A \ TAH 20 \ WX3 5 \ TAH 21 \ WX3 6 \ TAH 22
WX3 7-11

V@2 1
P11 14
ICE3 4-5
CASW 24-FB
CASW 21
SM/DP 19-20
MU3 1-5
M-T5 1-5
PPSSM2 1-5
SECWARR2 5-FB
CHMPS2 9
USQG2 21
P11 15
GENX2 6-7
U.S.A 4, 5 (1-18)
X:B 6
SM/DP 21-22
OML2 25-30
P11 16-17
DP6 30
ANGOTG 11, 5, FCBD2017:ANGOTG, ANGOTG 3, 1, 7, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10
SECWARR2 1-FB
ANW 22-24 (“two weeks” after ANW 19-21, GOTG off-Earth, Groot small, Drax pacifist)
The Milano appears in ANW 22-24, so we're after FCBD2017:ANGOTG

We could move all the WX3 issues (and OML2 25-30 for Logan) after ANW 22-24, does anyone see a problem with that?
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StrayLamb wrote: Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:41 am There's an issue analysis for Guardians of the Galaxy: Best Story Ever here, which points out some of the problems. I'm not sure why the framing story can't be canon, however, even if the story told by Star-Lord is apocryphal..

http://www.chronologyproject.com/phpbb2 ... 16&t=10121
I have read GOTG:Best Story Ever and it is clearly intended to be set in the 616 universe, given the references to past events that only happened in the comics and not in the movies (Nebula possessing the Infinity Gauntlet, Gamora's Grace, Nebula claiming to be Thanos' granddaughter...).
There are some elements that seem taken more from the movie continuity but overall it seems well grounded in the 616 universe.
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Re: CIVIL WAR II to SECRET EMPIRE

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Hello.

Just want to point out that in terms of X-Men chronology, the Monsters Unleashed event should occur before X-Men prime v2 (1-28) and UXv4 #19.

The X-teams' line-ups change in X-Men Prime (Young Jean leaves Storm's team and rejoins the other time displaced X-Men and they leave the mansion. Also, Oya and Genesis are no longer part of that team).

In Monsters Unleashed 1, Storm's X-Men team appears and Jean is with them. And the most obvious, the All-New X-Men team has a dedicated issue for the crossover, and in it, both Oya and Genesis appear as part of the team.

In Monsters Unleashed 2, Storm says she contacted Magneto's team (Magneto's team disbands between IvX and UXv4 #19).

I know MU has a lot of constraints in the big picture, but I wanted to point this out anyway.

Edit:
Jean is shown with short hair in X-Men Prime, however, it is shown as a sort of "things to come" panel. In terms of actual events on the issue, she is shown in the Danger Room recording, still with long hair.

Still, I think the entire arc of ANW 13-18, and OMLv2 16-18 should go before Prime, as she has long hair in those issues.
Also, in EXX 20 she behaves as if she is still part of the team, but since the issue deals with the X-Men moving out of Limbo, it makes sense for it to happen after XPrime (1-28) BUT it should be placed before X-Men Blue 1, where Jean is depicted having short hair.

In sum, we currently have (in terms of X-Men stuff):

IvX
UX4 19
ANX2 19
XPRIME (1-28)
MONSTERS UNLEASHED!
ANW 13-18
X:B 1
OML2 16-18, 19-FB
OML2 19-24 (“9 days” since OML2 19-FB)
EXX 20
XPRIME (29-30)

My suggestion:

IvX
MONSTERS UNLEASHED! (ANX line-up before XMPrime shuffle) (goes up)
ANW 13-18 (Jean with Long hair) (goes up)
OML2 16-18 (Jean with Long hair) (goes up)
UX4 19
ANX2 19 (Jean with Long hair)
XPRIME (1-28) (Jean with Short hair, ANX team leaves mansion)
EXX 20 (Jean with long hair) (goes up)
XPRIME (29-30) (goes up)
OML2 19-24 (Jean with Short hair)
X:B 1
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Re: CIVIL WAR II to SECRET EMPIRE

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edited the post above with more considerations
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