WAR of the REALMS to EMPYRE

[StrayLamb]

MMSM@ 1 has a break of a few weeks betwen pages 11 & 12. I would keep MMSM@ 1 (1 - 11) where it is and move MMSM@ 1 (12 - 30) to immediately before G-S 1, making for the largest gap possible before MMSM 1-6.

[StrayLamb]

SAVA 1 (1-5) the Hand kills Wolverine’s friend
FCBD2019:A/SAVA 1/2 has Wolverine looking for his abducted friend, and Elektra dealing with the Hand.
SAVA 1 (6-32) Wolverine meets Conan, the Hand attack Doctor Voodoo and the Punisher gets a note.

SAVA 2 apparently, Wolverine’s blood can heal others. And hey! Kulan Gath (who has a symbiote) recognizes Conan. The Hand abducts Punisher.

SAVA 3 Punisher and Elektra team up, and everyone eventually ends up in the same room.

SAVA 4 Venom’s symbiote shows up without a host. Brock was separated from it in V4 12, it appeared during WOTR and then joined back with Brock in Absolute Carnage.

SAVA 5 after fighting Kulan Gath, Punisher and Conan decide to hike home from the Savage Land through Antarctica. Everyone else uses magic to teleport away. A break in the action, it seems.

SAVA 6 lasts a month, and is Conan and Punisher hiking through Antarctica. Doctor Doom appears at the end.

SAVA@ 1 has Conan in Brazil, so after SAVA 6. Hellstorm appears in his classic look, and in hell, so… I dunno what that means. He seems to be switching back and forth depending on who’s drawing him.

SAVA 7 (1-10) has an appearance by Doctor Strange in his classic look (and he remembers who Kulan Gath is!). That’s fine, because we know he occasionally does that from his book. Doctor Voodoo says he’s already been dead once this week, so I guess this is shortly after SAVA 6.

SAVA 7 (11-20) Conan is in Brazil and meets Doctor Doom, who takes him to Latveria. Doom says it’s autumn.

SAVA 8 same day as last issue, and Doctor Strange shows up again. He may be exaggerating, but Conan says he’s killed Kulan Gath several times, and decapitated him once. Conan has been taken from his time shortly after COB 100, so that doesn’t sound right. Voodoo has been Kulan Gath’s prisoner since SAVA 7 (1-10), so no appearances for him elsewhere until he’s freed. Kulan Gath recognizes Doctor Strange.

SAVA 9 is still the same day as last issue. Ends on a cliffhanger.

So,

SAVA 1 (1-5), FCBD2019:A/SAVA 1, SAVA 1 (6-32), 2-5, 7 (1-10) is before Absolute Carnage.
SAVA 6 lasts a month, while Punisher is in Antarctica.
SAVA 7 (11-20), 8-9??? Is in the autumn. Doctor Doom & Doctor Strange appear.

SAVA@ 1 goes just before SAVA 7 (11 - 20), while Conan is still in Brazil. It's been missed out of the main list.

The whole of SAVA@ 1, SAVA 7 (11 - 20), SAVA 8-11, SAVA 0, and SAVA 12 (1 - 10) take place over no more than a few days (according to SAVA 12). It's snowing in NYC, so after Dec 3 2019, and it's very shortly after Krakoa has gone public, so after POX 1-6.

SAVA 13 picks up at the end of 2020, or early 2021, so possibly just before or just after King in Black? (since Christmas 2020 occurs during that event.) I suspect we'll see a few such gaps. SAVA 12 (11 - 20) should be split off to immediately precede SAVA 13. Daimon Hellstrom is now sporting his goatee and bald head that he has in Strange Academy, whereas he was still sporting his classic look in SAVA@ 1. Strange tells Conan that Kulan Gath is on the move, so this could be something he's been waiting for before finally assembling his army and contacting Conan.

[StrayLamb]

The 2019 Venom Annual (V4@ 2?) must take place between V4 20 & 21, probably just before V4 21. Eddie has recently been reunited with Venom, and is sporting short hair and a beard, which he shaves off in V4 21. Story 2 probably takes place straight after story 1, while Lady Hellbender is still on Earth.

WOV:GSON 1 happens after V4 21 while Eddie is on his island, lasts a few days. Harry & Liz Osborn appear and should happen before RRVNCRFT:CRNG, RRVNCRFT:SABRE and RRVNCRFT:D.

Specifically, WOV:GSON 1 interacts with V4 21-23 in this manner..

V4 21 (1 - 15) [Eddie shaves his beard; leaves a note for Dylan; calls Cap]
WOV:GSON 1 (1 - 6) [Dylan tells Normie that Eddie disappeared during the night, leaving a note; Normie & Dylan exchange secrets; Sleeper watches them from the shadows; Dylan is 13yo & Normie is 10yo, meaning at least 15 years to have passed since ASM 1]
WOV:GSON 1 (7 - 13) [Dylan and Normie's escapade]
V4 21 (16 - 20) [Eddie flies to the Island of Bones]
V4 22 (1 - 5) [Eddie enters the hidden arsenal]
WOV:GSON 1 (14 - 24) [A few days later, but this must still be before the rest of Eddie's adventure on the Island of Bones; Dylan and Normie get into a fight, when Sleeper intervenes, revealing he knows about the symbiote]
V4 22 (6 - 20) [Eddie emerges from the arsenal; Eddie loses his hand]
V4 23-24 [Sleeper warns Dylan against keeping the symbiote]
V4 25-FB [Eddie is stranded on the island]

V4 25 [Sometime later, after Eddie's beard has regrown, he returns to the Avengers, explaining what has happened, and warning them that Knull is coming. As Eddie sum's up the year's events, i assume this to be towards the end of the year, some time during December, but before T6 1 (1 - 7)]

[StrayLamb]

This one's only minor, but i'll throw it in anyway..

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HOX 1 (3:3)-FB [mid-September, "three months ago"] [September 20?]
FUFO 1-4, 5 (1 - 21)
FF6 14-18, 19 (1 - 11)
FUFO 5 (22) [a few days later]
GOTG5 7-12
FF6 19 (12 - 20) [a week later]
SAVA 7 (11-20), 8-10, 11 (Doctor Voodoo released, then trapped) [autumn] [should be moved to December?]
SAVA 0 (Magik on Earth) (after SAVA 11) [should be moved to December?]
VALJF 6-7 (after DS5 20, before MMSM 9)
MMSM 9-12 (Ms. Marvel loses new costume) (Tony as Iron Man, after DS5 20) [late September?]
FF6 20-FB [yesterday]
FF6 20 [The FF return after two weeks away in space, so another week or so has passed]
FNSM2 14 (Ms. Marvel classic costume) ["a month" since FNSM2 12]
USQG2 46 (20) ["a few months" after WOTR] [early October?]
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[StrayLamb]

Gwenpool Strikes Back:

1 involves Spider-Man. There can be a break, if needed, before 2, which involves Deadpool and the Fantastic Four.

3 continues from 2, with a "3-day" break before a scene with (deep breath) Tony Stark (not in armor), Captain America, Bucky Barnes, Captain Marvel, Thor, Black Panther, She-Hulk, Tigra, Spider-Woman, Black Widow, Jessica Jones, Atlas, Black Cat, Ms. Marvel, Nadia Pym, Miles Morales, Moon Girl, Devil Dinosaur, Squirrel Girl, Bruce Banner, and the West Coast Avengers (apparently after their series and their appearance in Superior Spider-Man).

4 continues from 3. Gwenpool borrows versions of herself from West Coast Avengers #1, Champions #5, Unbelievable Gwenpool #12, Rocket Raccoon and Groot #9, and Superior Spider-Man #7; that's gonna be fun to notate. Also, Malekith appears at some point from the past when he was sleeping.

5 continues from 4, with a side trip to Punisher at a moment that could really be any time. There seems to be a break between pages 12 and 13--Quentin Quire is in a different location on either side of the break, in any case--and by now we're definitely somewhere in the HoX era, because there's a Krakoan gate. Logan is present, and Jean Grey is apparently off-panel.

It looks to me like GPSB should be placed very shortly after the X-Men go public with Krakoa, otherwise how would Gwen know about Krakoa. She can only know things she shouldn't from before the time she entered E-616. This still fits for the characters involved. Also, Quentin tells Wolverine it's been a rough year for Gwen, so probably towards the end of the year. I would place these issues just after POX 1-6, along with the Savage Avengers issues and Venom 25, as i've suggested above.

Also i see that Col_Fury has listed Gwenpool Strikes Back as GPSB!, but the exclamation mark only appears on the cover, not in the indicia.

[StrayLamb]

ASM5 38 starts with Jonah’s first day at his new job (so at least two weeks since last issue? Assuming Jonah would give a two week notice and not just walk out of a job). Regular people know about Krakoa. …and we get the dreaded “live feed” of a bunch of scenes taken from other comics. Also, BCAT@ 1 is referenced as “last month,” so that’s nice.

The “happening now” scenes I recognize are IMMH 29, STRKFOR 5, DP8 2, STAR 1 and three others I can’t immediately place. The problem, of course, is that Titania appears in both IMMH 29 and STAR 1. She can’t be in two places at once, the Alpha Flight Space Station (IMMH 29) and New York City (STAR 1), so these scenes can’t be happening at the same “now” time. What we’ve done in the past with this type of thing is just assume some are recordings, meaning all of these comics should happen before ASM5 38. But if for whatever reason that doesn’t/can’t work, eh, whatever.

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One of the ASM5 38 "now" scenes is from CM9 14.

With reference to STAR 1-5, in CM9 16, when Carol drops into the Raft Supermax Prison, a guard tells her that Star disappeared from her cell one day (not long after being dropped off at the facility), and they've found no trace of her. Carol tells him that Star had some powers they were unaware of, and she's working on it. STAR 1 shows us that Ripley Ryan has been laying low for several weeks since she escaped from the Raft. I would say that Star 1-5 takes place immediately before CM9 12-16. This accounts for Carol's comments to the guard.

There are several flashbacks thru the mini, most of which are distorted memories shown thru Ripley's nightmares during her panic attacks, but STAR 4 (6 - 9)-FB takes place immediately before CM9 11 (21), and STAR 5 (1 - 2)-FB takes place sometime after GOTG5 6, and probably after The War of the Realms. A convenient spot might be just after CM9 11 (21), keeping it within the frame, as it were.

[StrayLamb]

Ruins of Ravencroft: Dracula looks like it should be separated from the Carnage and Sabretooth issues. During those first two issues, the ruins of Ravencroft are still being bulldozed to make way for the facility to be rebuilt. In the Dracula issue, Ravencroft has been rebuilt. I know it says "days later," but there's a flashback in Ravencroft 2 that goes immediately after the Sabretooth issue, and is "weeks ago," and in the Ravencroft mini, the facility is still brand new. Ravencroft 1-5 appears to take place well after Autumn, and i would place it in early Spring, just before the beginning of Empyre, unless something crops up with the characters which prevents this.

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HOX 1 (3:4)-FB [mid-October, "two months ago"] [October 20?]
USQG2 47-50 (Tony as Iron Man)
GPSB! 1-5 (classic Ms. Marvel costume, Cap, Tony, Hulk, Foster/Valkyrie, Wolverine at Krakoa)
RRVNCRFT:CRNG, RRVNCRFT:SABRE, RRVNCRFT:D, RRVNCRFT 2 (7 - 10)-FB
DS@3 1 (Doctor Voodoo appears) [October 31]
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RRVNCRFT:D, RRVNCRFT 1-5 [Early Spring]

[StrayLamb]

DD6 6-7 starts “8 weeks” after DD6 5.

There's a gap of a few days between DD6 6 & 7. Issue 7 takes place on the 24th, Foggy's birthday, so this should go after the HOX 1 (4:1) flashback.

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CM9 12-16 (Tony as Iron Man appears)
AMJ 3
DD6 6 ["8 weeks" since DD6 5]
HOX 1 (4:1)-FB [mid-November, "one month ago"] [November 20?]
DD6 7 [a few days later, 24th of the month]
WPLUS:WWIV 1 (both stories)
HOX 1 (4:2)-FB [late November, "three weeks ago"] [November 29?]
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[StrayLamb]

BP&AOWKND 5 seems to want to be shortly after last issue, but I can easily see a gap between them. Guest stars Deadpool, and Stark Unlimited is still around, so before the New Year when it’s bought out by Baintronics. HOLY CARP YOU GUYZ IT’S THE LIVEWIRES~!1 And a Nick Fury LMD!

BP&AOWKND 6 is the same day as last issue.

BP&AOWKND 5-6 seems to have a mid-late summer setting, and doesn't fit well at the end of November where it's currently placed. I think this should go very soon after BP&AOWKND 1-4, if not immediately afterwards. There's no mention of Krakoa, so that's a non-issue.

And yes, i also enjoyed the return of the Livewires.

[StrayLamb]

Despite his new look on the covers, regular Thor appears in VALJF 8-9, as does Tony Stark as Iron Man, Spider-Man, Doctor Strange and Captain America. That means we're still before T6 1 and TSIM 19. Ends on a cliffhanger.

VALJF 10, the final issue, takes place immediately after VALJF 8 & 9, and wraps up this story, at least for now.

[StrayLamb]

Well... After Ross' death in CA8, his spirit appears in IMMH. And then his corpse appears during ABCRNG. He really did die. And then he appears alive again in CA8 20. So, Ross has to still be dead during ABCRNG, meaning Cap has to go to prison after ABCRNG.

Concerning Ross' return, another recurring character in this CA8 story was dead before and is alive now. The explanation given for that character's resurrection was that they were basically wished back to life; I'm sure the same thing happened with Ross.

As per CA8 22,

Spoiler:

It turns out that Ross wan't really killed, and that it was an advanced life-like LMD decoy that was killed in his place. Do they have spirits now? Or was some demon impersonating Ross's spirit?

[Col_Fury]

[StrayLamb]

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Strange Academy 1 has the students gathering at the school to meet their teachers, Dr Voodoo, Zelma Stanton, the Ancient One, the Mindful One, and their special guest teachers who will be popping in and out throughout the year, Daimon Hellstrom, Nico Minoru, Scarlet Witch, Magik, and Shaman. Dr Strange appears, and he’s sporting the longer soul patch goatee that he’s also seen wearing in the Dr Strange 2019 Annual.

It’s the beginning of the school year, but perhaps this is an orientation, taking place before classes actually begin. Based on the existing timeline, this would probably have to be the start of the January semester, and likely in the new year before Magik heads off into space with the New Mutants.

Strange Academy 2 is a week later, and it's the first day of classes, probably a monday, so the students have had a week to settle in and get to know each other. Before DS6 1-5, where the Academy is already up and running.

Strange Academy 3 is Friday afternoon, presumably at the end of the first week, so a few days after issue 2, although we could place a larger gap between issues 2 & 3 if that becomes necessary.

Strange Academy 4 appears to follow on pretty quickly, and the kids are helping Zelma in the library, so probably Saturday or Sunday. Issues 5 & 6 follow on the next day, followed immediately by the issue 7 flashback. Issue 7 is two nights later, and issue 8 appears to take place some months later, in the Autumn, so after Empyre. Strange Academy 9 (1 - 3)-FB takes place a year earlier, before the start of the series. I've placed it in the Summer after War of the Realms.

Morbius 1-5 (January to April 2020) guest stars Spider-Man. Equivalent issues for Spidey are ASM5 33-42. Dr Connors' summer house on Long Island has been closed up for the winter, so a likely placement is between ASM5 37 & 38. The main antogonist is the Melter. This would be Melter III, who was introduced in Superior Spider-Man 26. We are also introduced to Elizabeth Nikos, sister of Morbius' old friend Emil. There are flashbacks to their childhood together. Emil is spoken of as being dead, and no mention is made of the fact that Emil was transformed into a vampire by Baron Blood (Amazing Fantasy vol. 2 17).

I have Morbius 1-5, which takes place over just a couple of days, tentatively placed between Strange Academy 1 & 2.

[StrayLamb]

It looks like the initial issues in the Dawn of X books starts in publication order:

X5 1 (Starjammers here before NM4 1)
MRDRS 1 (Marauders formed)
XCAL4 1 (Betsy & Kwannon avoiding each other, Kitty as pirate)
NM4 1 (‘Berto & co. leave for space)
XFOR6 1 (Xavier killed, island on lockdown, Marauders appear)
FANGELS2 1 (island already on lockdown, after XCAL4 1)

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FANGELS2 5 has kid Cable recruiting some people into Kwannon’s group. X-Force is referenced, so this is after XFOR6 3, where X-Force is formed. No mention of how long it’s been since last issue; could be a day or a week. Who knows? Betsy as Captain Britain appears.

FANGELS2 6 finishes the plot, same day as last issue.

XCAL4 1 happens in a day. Rogue falls into a coma. Gambit appears in XFOR6 2’s “oh no Xavier’s dead” scene but Rogue doesn’t. Maybe Xavier’s killed while she’s in her coma?

XCAL4 2 is shortly after last issue, maybe the next day? Pirate Kitty appears with the bandage on her nose, wearing what she’s wearing at the end of MRDRS 1.

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MRDRS 1 has Kitty get a broken nose, and becoming a pirate.

MRDRS 2 gasp! Xavier’s been assassinated. Kitty changes her costume. Pyro gets a face tattoo.

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So, in theory:

X5 1 (Starjammers here before NM4 1)
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MRDRS 1 (Krakoa has no coffee) (Marauders formed)
MRDRS 3-FB
XCAL4 1-3 (Betsy & Kwannon avoiding each other, Kitty as pirate)
NM4 1-2 (Krakoa has coffee now) (‘Berto & co. leave for space)
XFOR6 1, 2 (1-7) (Xavier killed, island on lockdown, Marauders appear)
FANGELS2 1 (island already on lockdown, Betsy appears, after XCAL4 1)
X5 2 (Xavier currently dead)
MRDRS 2-4 (Xavier currently dead)
X5 3 (Xavier currently dead)
XFOR6 2 (8-20), 3 (Xavier resurrected)
X5 4 (within days of XFOR6 1) [January 21]
NM4 3-6 [lasts 2 weeks]
XCAL4 4-5
FANGELS2 2-4
XCAL4 6 [after January 31]
NM4 3-6 [lasts 2 weeks]
FANGELS2 5-6 (Betsy as Captain Britain, X-23)
X5 5 (X-23 goes away)
???NM4 7 (‘Berto & co. back from space?)???
XFOR6 4-5 (Cypher appears)
???MRDRS 5-6
XFOR6 6

Thoughts?

It looks to me like XCAL4 1 takes place during the same evening as the celebrations on Krakoa seen towards the end of HOX 6/POX 6. All three issues were published Dec 2019. XCAL4 2 and 3 must pick up after a longer break than just a day.

XCAL4 1 (1 - 15) appears to take place earlier on the evening of the celebration. It appears to be around dusk, before the fireworks. XCAL4 1 (16 - 30) picks up later in the evening, probably after the fireworks. I'm sure Remy and Rogue would have waited up for them before deciding to head off to bed. This is what i have..

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HOX 5 (1 - 17) [Apocalypse comes to Krakoa]
POX 6 (26 - 30:1) [The first meeting of the Quiet Council will be tomorrow]
XCAL1 (1 - 15) [Night of the celebration, before the fireworks]
HOX 6 ~ POX 6 (30:2 - 34) [The first meeting of the Quiet Council, during the evening of the celebration, in which the three foundational laws are enacted; followed by the fireworks, which may have taken place after those laws have been proclaimed during the celebration]
XCAL 1 (16 - 30) [After the fireworks, Remy and Rogue are heading off to bed, the three foundational laws have been proclaimed]
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I foresee a possible argument in Apocalypse telling people to refer to him as • --|A|-- • (say what!), but we only see him telling those he deems subordinate to him to do so at this point.

[Pocokk]

Where would be DP8 6 placed? He is hanging out with the X-Men, performing his Deadpool acting as usual.

Regarding to Dawn of X, did someone read this (DP8 6) issue and where it could be placed?