WAR of the REALMS to EMPYRE

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Re: WAR of the REALMS to EMPYRE

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WOTR [ends July 4?]
CHMPS3 7 [the night of WOTR's end]
A7 21 (Cap not in prison or hiding) [day after WOTR]
TSIM 14-FB, 14 [very shortly after WOTR]
UX5 16-FB, 16
V4 16 [less than a week after WOTR?]
UX5 17
CHMPS3 8-10 (before GOTG5 7 for Nova Corps)
UX5 18-21,22 (1-18:3) (Cap not in prison or hiding)
UX5 21 (18:4) ~ AOXM:O 1 (18:6)
AOXM:O 1 (18:7-30)
UX5 22 (19-28)
CA8 7 (17-21), 8 (Cap goes to prison)
ASM5 25/2 (space suit Dr. Strange)
CM9 7 (20) ["ten days" after CM9 7 (10-19)] [July 14?]
ABCRNGV.DP 1 (1-8) ["weeks" before ABCRNG]
FF6 11
HOX 1 (3:1)-FB [mid-July, "five months ago"] [July 20?]
ASM5 30-31-FBs ["weeks" before ABCRNG]
MMSM@ 1
ASM5 25 (32-45) [start of school semester]
MMSM 1-6 (Ms. Marvel gets new costume) [second day of school semester]
HOX 1 (3:2)-FB [mid-August, "four months ago"] [August 20?]
M/TU4 4-6 (before CM9 8-11) (new Ms. Marvel costume) [during a school semester]
CM9 8-11 (Tony appears as Iron Man) [spans a week or so]
CA8 9-18??? (Misty appears) (Cap in hiding, eventually returns)
A7 22-30 / FCBD2019:A/SAVA 1, A7 31? (Cap appears as normal) (Iron Man missing / returns)
WOV:CCRNG 1 (Misty abducted)
IMMH 18-20 [8 weeks instead of 8 days since WOTR?] [August 26?]
FF6 12-13 (Hulk appearance)
IMMH 21 [shortly after IMMH 20]
FCBD2019:SM/V 1 [shortly before ABCRNG]
ABSOLUTE CARNAGE (Rick in bathtub) (Misty released) (Cap not in prison or hiding)
IMMH 22-24 (Rick gets out of tub) [a week since IMMH 20)
BP7 17, 19-FB, 19-20??? (Misty appears)
ABCRNGV.DP 3 (18-20) ["weeks" after ABCRNG]
HOX 1 (3:3)-FB [mid-September, "three months ago"] [September 20?]
FCBD2019:SM/V 1/2 [light jacket weather]
MMSM 7-8 [MMSM 9 is "next month"] [September?]
USQG2 46 (20) ["a few months" after WOTR] [early October?]
HOX 1 (3:4)-FB [mid-October, "two months ago"] [October 20?]
USQG2 47-50 (Tony as Iron Man)
MMSM 9-11??? (Ms. Marvel loses new costume) (Tony as Iron Man, after DS5 20) [October?]
GPSB! 3? (classic Ms. Marvel costume, Cap, Tony, Hulk, Foster/Valkyrie, space-suit Dr. Strange)
CM9 12-14??? (Tony as Iron Man appears)
HOX 1 (4:1)-FB [mid-November, "one month ago"] [November 20?]
HOX 1 (4:2)-FB [late November, "three weeks ago"] [November 29?]
HOX 1 (4:3)-FB [early December, "two weeks ago"] [December 6?]
HOX 1 (Krakoa revealed) [mid-December, "now"] [December 20?]
IMMH 25-26 (Cho, Namor, Tony as Iron Man appear, Krakoa mentioned)
TSIM 15-18, 19 (1-14) (Tony stops being Iron Man)
TSIM 19 (15-17) (Baintronics takes over Stark Unlimited)
TSIM 19 (18-20) (Iron Man 2020 debuts) [the New Year]
X5 4 [January 21]
IMMH 27 [one day, no mention of how long since IMMH 26]
IMMH 28 (Baintronics mentioned) [six days since IMMH 27]
INCOMING! 1 (Samson talks to Joe) (Arno already Iron Man)
IMMH 29-30??? (Samson already talked to Joe) [IMMH 28 was "last Sunday"]
EMPYRE


STILL TO DO:

2020 FORCE WORKS #1-3
2020 IRON AGE #1
2020 MACHINE MAN #1-2
2020 RESCUE #1-2
2099 ALPHA #1
2099 OMEGA #1
AGENTS OF ATLAS v5 #1-5
AERO #1-???
ALPHA FLIGHT: TRUE NORTH #1
AMAZING MARY JANE #1-5
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN v5 #26-29, 32-???
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN: DAILY BUGLE #1-5
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN: GOING BIG #1
ANNIHILATION - SCOURGE ALPHA #1
ANNIHILATION - SCOURGE OMEGA #1
ANNIHILATION - SCOURGE: BETA RAY BILL #1
ANNIHILATION - SCOURGE: FANTASTIC FOUR #1
ANNIHILATION - SCOURGE: NOVA #1
ANNIHILATION - SCOURGE: SILVER SURFER #1
ANT-MAN v2 #1-5
ATLANTIS ATTACKS #1-5
AVENGERS v7 #31-???
BIZARRE ADVENTURES v2#1
BLACK CAT v3 #1-???
BLACK CAT ANNUAL #1
BLACK PANTHER v7 #21-???
BLACK PANTHER & AGENTS OF WAKANDA #1-???
CABLE v4 #1
CAPTAIN AMERICA v8 #19-???
CAPTAIN AMERICA & INVADERS: BAHAMAS TRIANGLE #1
CAPTAIN MARVEL v9 #15-???
CONAN 2099 #1
CONAN: BATTLE FOR THE SERPENT CROWN #1-5
CONAN: SERPENT WAR #1-4
CONTAGION #1-5
CRAZY v3 #1
CRYPT OF SHADOWS v2 #1
DAREDEVIL v6 #1-???
DEADPOOL v7 #15
DEADPOOL v8 #1-???
DEADPOOL ANNUAL v4 #1
DEATH’S HEAD v2 #1-4
DOCTOR DOOM #1-???
DOCTOR STRANGE v5 #18-20
DOCTOR STRANGE ANNUAL v3 #1
DOCTOR STRANGE, SURGEON SUPREME #1-???
DOOM 2099 v2 #1
EXCALIBUR v4 #1-???
FALCON & WINTER SOLDIER #1-5
FALLEN ANGELS v2 #1-6
FANTASTIC FOUR v6 #14-20
FANTASTIC FOUR 2099 v2 #1
FANTASTIC FOUR: 4 YANCY STREET #1
FANTASTIC FOUR: MARVELS SNAPSHOT #1
FANTASTIC FOUR: NEGATIVE ZONE #1
FANTASTIC FOUR: PRODIGAL SUN #1
FEARLESS #1-4
FCBD 2019: AVENGERS/SAVAGE AVENGERS #1/2
FCBD 2020: SPIDER-MAN/VENOM #1
FCBD 2020: X-MEN #1
FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD SPIDER-MAN v2 #7-14
FUTURE FIGHT FIRSTS: CRESCENT & IO #1
FUTURE FIGHT FIRSTS: LUNA SNOW #1
FUTURE FIGHT FIRSTS: WHITE FOX #1
FUTURE FOUNDATION #1-5
GHOST RIDER v9 #1-???
GHOST RIDER 2099 v2 #1
GHOST-SPIDER #1-???
GHOST-SPIDER ANNUAL #1
GIANT-SIZE X-STATIX #1
GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY v5 #7-12
GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY v6 #1-???
GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY ANNUAL v3 #1
GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY: PRODIGAL SUN #1
GWENPOOL STRIKES BACK! #1-5
GWEN STACY #1-5
HAWKEYE: FREEFALL #1-5
HELLIONS #1
HOUSE OF X #1-6
IMMORTAL HULK #31-???
IMMORTAL HULK: GREAT POWER #1
IMMORTAL HULK: LAST CALL #1
INVADERS v3 #1-12
INVISIBLE WOMAN #1-5
IRONHEART #6-12
IRON MAN 2020 v2 #1-???
JOURNEY INTO UNKNOWN WORLDS v2 #1
KING THOR #1-4
LOKI v3 #1-5
LOVE ROMANCES v2 #1
MAGNIFICENT MS. MARVEL #12-???
MARAUDERS #1-???
MARVEL #1-6
MARVEL COMICS #1000-1001
MARVEL MONSTERS #1
MARVEL’S VOICES #1
MARVELS X #1-6
MILES MORALES: SPIDER-MAN #5-???
MOON GIRL & DEVIL DINOSAUR #44-47
MOON KNIGHT ANNUAL v2 #1
MORBIUS #1-5
NEBULA #1-5
NEW MUTANTS v4 #1-???
OUTLAWED #1
POWER PACK: GROW UP! #1
POWERS OF X #1-6
PUNISHER ANNUAL v5 #1
PUNISHER 2099 v2 #1
PUNISHER KILL KREW #1-5
RAVENCROFT #1-5
REVENGE OF COSMIC GHOST RIDER #1-5
RUINS OF RAVENCROFT: CARNAGE #1
RUINS OF RAVENCROFT: DRACULA #1
RUINS OF RAVENCROFT: SABRETOOTH #1
RUNAWAYS v5 #24-???
SAVAGE AVENGERS #1-???
SAVAGE AVENGERS ANNUAL #1
SCREAM: CURSE OF CARNAGE #1-5
SENSATIONAL SPIDER-MAN: SELF-IMPROVEMENT #1
SHE-HULK ANNUAL #1
SILVER SURFER: BLACK #1-5
SILVER SURFER: PRODIGAL SUN #1
SPIDER-HAM #1-5
SPIDER-MAN v3 #1-5
SPIDER-MAN ANNUAL v2 #1
SPIDER-MAN 2099 v4 #1
SPIDER-VERSE v3 #1-6
SPIDER-WOMAN v7 #1
SPIRITS OF GHOST RIDER: MOTHER OF DEMONS #1
STAR #1-5
STRANGE ACADEMY #1
STRIKEFORCE #1-???
SUB-MARINER: MARVELS SNAPSHOTS #1
SWORD MASTER #1-???
SYMBIOTE SPIDER-MAN #1-5
SYMBIOTE SPIDER-MAN: ALIEN REALITY #1-5
SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN v2 #9-12
TAROT #1-4
THANOS v3 #1-6
THOR v5 #15-16
THOR v6 #1-???
THOR: WORTHY #1
VALKYRIE: JANE FOSTER #1-???
VENOM v4 #21-???
VENOM ANNUAL v2 #1
VENOM 2099 v2 #1
WEAPON PLUS: WORLD WAR IV #1
WEB OF BLACK WIDOW #1-5
WEB OF VENOM: CULT OF CARNAGE #1
WEB OF VENOM: GOOD SON #1
WOLVERINE v7 #1-???
WOLVERINE ANNUAL v4 #1
WOLVERINE vs. BLADE SPECIAL #1
WOLVERINE & CAPTAIN AMERICA: WEAPON PLUS #1
WOLVERINE: EXIT WOUNDS #1
WOLVERINE: LONG NIGHT ADAPTATION #1-5
X-FORCE v6 #1-???
X-MEN v5 #1-3, 5-9
X-MEN/FANTASTIC FOUR v2 #1-4
X-MEN GIANT-SIZE: JEAN GREY & EMMA FROST #1
X-MEN GIANT-SIZE: MAGNETO #1
YONDU #1-5
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Re: WAR of the REALMS to EMPYRE

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INV3 1-6 happens pretty quickly. Cap appears, but is not on great terms with the government. He’s not wanted for murder or anything, but I’m thinking this is going to have to go after his time in prison. Also, Tony as Iron Man appears throughout this series.

INV3 7 is “a rough few weeks” after INV3 6. There’s also a teaser for the Absolute Carnage crossover, so before that. Carnage thinks it’s likely that Cap could be found at Avengers Mountain, which is fine at this point.

INV3 8 is soon after INV3 7; Black Panther and Invisible Woman appear. Roxxon is up to no good.

INV3 9 has Namor attacking Roxxon oil rigs. Also, Simon Kaito of Roxxon mentions “the current Krakoa situation.” If this is supposed to go before Absolute Carnage (as the teaser page in INV3 7 suggests), that’s a long time before Krakoa is revealed publicly. Roxxon’s a big corporation, though, maybe Kaito knows that Krakoa is preparing for something big and is trying to get in front of it?

INV3 10 continues the plot, and Cap and Namor end up stranded on an island by the end of the issue.

INV3 11 has Steve with a beard, implying they’ve been on the island a while. But the way they’re talking it can’t be more than a few days. The pair do a bit of exploring and quickly find a way off the island, so I’m going to say they’ve only been there a day or three.

INV3 12 (1-18) wraps up the plot. Spider-Mna and Thing cameo. Namor’s split personality is taken care of, but he’s still an angry ass. INV3 12 (19-20) is two weeks later; Steve and Jim Hammond chat, and Namor sits on his throne. The End.

FCBD2019:A/SAVA 1 has Namor attacking oil rigs and fighting the Squadron Supreme of America. It came out the same month as INV3 5. Maybe that happens during the “rough few weeks” between INV3 6-7?

Maybe shorten Cap’s time in prison (which we already did, so even more I guess) and do something like this?

MMSM@ 1
CA8 9-18??? (Misty appears) (Cap in hiding, eventually returns)
INV3 1-6 (Cap not in prison)
ASM5 25 (32-45) [start of school semester]
MMSM 1-6 (Ms. Marvel gets new costume) [second day of school semester]
HOX 1 (3:2)-FB [mid-August, "four months ago"] [August 20?]
M/TU4 4-6 (before CM9 8-11) (new Ms. Marvel costume) [during a school semester]
CM9 8-11 (Tony appears as Iron Man) [spans a week or so]
A7 22-30 / FCBD2019:A/SAVA 1, A7 31? (Cap appears as normal) (Iron Man missing / returns)
WOV:CCRNG 1 (Misty abducted)
IMMH 18-20 [8 weeks instead of 8 days since WOTR?] [August 26?]
FF6 12-13 (Hulk appearance)
IMMH 21 [shortly after IMMH 20]
INV3 7-12 (Krakoa preparing?) ["a few weeks" since INV3 6]
FCBD2019:SM/V 1 [shortly before ABCRNG]
ABSOLUTE CARNAGE (Rick in bathtub) (Misty released) (Cap not in prison or hiding)

Thoughts?
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Re: WAR of the REALMS to EMPYRE

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FNSM2 7-10 happens over three days. Tony as Iron Man appears.

ASM5 26 is after FNSM2 9, thanks to an editor’s note. ASM5 26-28 happens in one day/night.

FNSM2 11 says there are some monsters left in New York after that Asgardian thing. Happens in a day, and Spider-Miles makes a guest appearance. May is going through chemotherapy.

FNSM2 12 says May’s chemo is working, and she’s being scheduled for surgery in a month’s time. Mary Jane is still in town. Someone’s been targeting Spider-Man for the last week. Lasts two days, Tony Stark is -BTS and the FF appear.

FNSM2 13 (1-19) is the same day as last issue; the FF appear. FNSM2 13 (20) is a week later, Spider-Man and the FF appear.

ASM5 29 happens in a day, and MJ leaves for Hollywood.

FNSM2 14 is May’s surgery, so likely a month after FNSM2 12. Spider-Miles, Human Torch, Tony as Iron Man, Thing, Ms. Marvel (classic costume), Luke Cage, Jessica Jones and Iron Fist appear. Oh, there you go, Spider-Man says last issue was “about a month ago.” Last issue of the series.

A bit more reshuffling to get Ms. Marvel’s costume to line up with FNSM2 14, and moving FCBD2019:SM/V 1/2 into publication order, maybe?

……
CA8 7 (17-21), 8 (Cap goes to prison)
ASM5 25/2 (space suit Dr. Strange)
CM9 7 (20) ["ten days" after CM9 7 (10-19)] [July 14?]
FCBD2019:SM/V 1/2
ABCRNGV.DP 1 (1-8) ["weeks" before ABCRNG]
FF6 11
FNSM2 7-10
HOX 1 (3:1)-FB [mid-July, "five months ago"] [July 20?]
ASM5 30-31-FBs ["weeks" before ABCRNG]
MMSM@ 1
CA8 9-18??? (Misty appears) (Cap in hiding, eventually returns)
INV3 1-6 (Cap not in prison)
ASM5 25 (32-45) [start of school semester]
MMSM 1-6 (Ms. Marvel gets new costume) [second day of school semester]
ASM5 26-28 (after FNSM2 7-10)
HOX 1 (3:2)-FB [mid-August, "four months ago"] [August 20?]
FNSM2 11
M/TU4 4-6 (before CM9 8-11) (new Ms. Marvel costume) [during a school semester]
CM9 8-11 (Tony appears as Iron Man) [spans a week or so]
FNSM2 12-13
A7 22-30 / FCBD2019:A/SAVA 1, A7 31? (Cap appears as normal) (Iron Man missing / returns)
WOV:CCRNG 1 (Misty abducted)
IMMH 18-20 [8 weeks instead of 8 days since WOTR?] [August 26?]
FF6 12-13 (Hulk appearance)
IMMH 21 [shortly after IMMH 20]
INV3 7-12 (Krakoa preparing?) ["a few weeks" since INV3 6]
FCBD2019:SM/V 1 [shortly before ABCRNG]
ASM5 29
ABSOLUTE CARNAGE (Rick in bathtub) (Misty released) (Cap not in prison or hiding)
IMMH 22-24 (Rick gets out of tub) [a week since IMMH 20)
MMSM 7-8 [MMSM 9 is "next month"] [late August?]
BP7 17, 19-FB, 19-20??? (Misty appears)
ABCRNGV.DP 3 (18-20) ["weeks" after ABCRNG]
HOX 1 (3:3)-FB [mid-September, "three months ago"] [September 20?]
MMSM 9-11??? (Ms. Marvel loses new costume) (Tony as Iron Man, after DS5 20) [late September?]
FNSM2 14 (Ms. Marvel classic costume) ["a month" since FNSM2 12]
USQG2 46 (20) ["a few months" after WOTR] [early October?]
HOX 1 (3:4)-FB [mid-October, "two months ago"] [October 20?]
USQG2 47-50 (Tony as Iron Man)
GPSB! 3? (classic Ms. Marvel costume, Cap, Tony, Hulk, Foster/Valkyrie, space-suit Dr. Strange)
……
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T5 15 is really a WOTR PS, as it turns out. I probably should have read this one first.

T5 16 is shortly after WOTR, and Thor is helping to clean up the mess from WOTR. An editor’s note says this is before the new Valkyrie #1.

I haven’t read T6 1 yet, but all the ads I’m seeing have him in a new look/costume. So far, everywhere I’ve seen Thor in other books he looks like he does here. So I guess all of that is before T6 1.

DS5 18 happens in a night, and it’s pretty great. During a school semester.

DS5 19 has Doctor Strange getting his hands repaired.

DS5 20 is soon after, maybe even a day or two later, and Strange decides to start doing surgery again.

FLSS 1-4 happens during summer camp. Classic Ms. Marvel costume. Piledriver is not in prison (he is in CA8 9). Storm appears.

FLSS 1/2 is a Millie the Model story. No guest stars and could go anywhere.

FLSS 1/3 is Jessica Jones, Else Bloodstone and the Marvel Babies.

FLSS 2/2 has Doctor Strange in his space suit (same month as DS5 17-18) and a Night Nurse adventure.

FLSS 2/3 is an X-23 and Gabby story.

FLSS 3/2 is a Hellcat and Jessica Jones story. Hellstorm appears in his classic look, not his new look as seen recently over in A7 22-24 (yes, I know this new look has been around for a while). Hellcat makes a new friend.

FLSS 3/3 is Wolverine and Jubilee looking for DNA samples.

FLSS 4/2 is a Namora story, and Namor appears in Atlantis.

FLSS 4/3 is pretty great. No guest stars so it doesn’t matter where it goes, but I really liked this one.

STRKFOR 1 has an Avengers appearance with Cap not hiding from authorities. Blade forms a new we-happen-to-be-in-the-same-place group. STRKFOR 1-5 is a continuous chain of events, and #5 ends on a cliffhanger. Published after Hellstorm’s appearance in A7 22-24, so probably after that.

SAVA 1 (1-5) the Hand kills Wolverine’s friend
FCBD2019:A/SAVA 1/2 has Wolverine looking for his abducted friend, and Elektra dealing with the Hand.
SAVA 1 (6-32) Wolverine meets Conan, the Hand attack Doctor Voodoo and the Punisher gets a note.

SAVA 2 apparently, Wolverine’s blood can heal others. And hey! Kulan Gath (who has a symbiote) recognizes Conan. The Hand abducts Punisher.

SAVA 3 Punisher and Elektra team up, and everyone eventually ends up in the same room.

SAVA 4 Venom’s symbiote shows up without a host. Brock was separated from it in V4 12, it appeared during WOTR and then joined back with Brock in Absolute Carnage.

SAVA 5 after fighting Kulan Gath, Punisher and Conan decide to hike home from the Savage Land through Antarctica. Everyone else uses magic to teleport away. A break in the action, it seems.

SAVA 6 lasts a month, and is Conan and Punisher hiking through Antarctica. Doctor Doom appears at the end.

SAVA@ 1 has Conan in Brazil, so after SAVA 6. Hellstorm appears in his classic look, and in hell, so… I dunno what that means. He seems to be switching back and forth depending on who’s drawing him.

SAVA 7 (1-10) has an appearance by Doctor Strange in his classic look (and he remembers who Kulan Gath is!). That’s fine, because we know he occasionally does that from his book. Doctor Voodoo says he’s already been dead once this week, so I guess this is shortly after SAVA 6.

SAVA 7 (11-20) Conan is in Brazil and meets Doctor Doom, who takes him to Latveria. Doom says it’s autumn.

SAVA 8 same day as last issue, and Doctor Strange shows up again. He may be exaggerating, but Conan says he’s killed Kulan Gath several times, and decapitated him once. Conan has been taken from his time shortly after COB 100, so that doesn’t sound right. Voodoo has been Kulan Gath’s prisoner since SAVA 7 (1-10), so no appearances for him elsewhere until he’s freed. Kulan Gath recognizes Doctor Strange.

SAVA 9 is still the same day as last issue. Ends on a cliffhanger.

So,

SAVA 1 (1-5), FCBD2019:A/SAVA 1, SAVA 1 (6-32), 2-5, 7 (1-10) is before Absolute Carnage.
SAVA 6 lasts a month, while Punisher is in Antarctica.
SAVA 7 (11-20), 8-9??? Is in the autumn. Doctor Doom & Doctor Strange appear.
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Cosmic Ghost Rider appears in PKK 2. PKK 1-5 is shortly after WOTR. Cosmic Ghost Rider can't make any appearances after GOTG5 6 and before A7 22. A7 22 is after WOTR.

And yet, for some reason I have it noted that GOTG5 1 has to be before UX5 1, which is before WOTR. Re-reading GOTG5 1, I can't see why I would think that. Is it just because some mutants are pictured? If so, then it should be able to happen after UX5 22, right?

Also, if we move GOTG5 1-6 to after WOTR, we could place it shortly before A7 22, which seems to be the intention (Johnny Blaze sends Cosmic GR to fight the Avengers in GOTG5 6, and that's what he does in A7 22-24).

Also, DS@3 1 happens on Halloween. Doctor Voodoo appears, so after he's freed in SAVA 7-9.
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Also, Foggy Nelson appears throughout PKK 1-5, and Daredevil appears in costume hanging out with the Avengers. So, shortly after WOTR (which was already the case) but also before DD6 1.
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VALJF (Valkyrie: Jane Foster) #1-3 happens pretty quickly, and yep, there's a reason T5 16 has to be before this (I won't spoil why, though). Also, LOKI3 1 will have to be before this as well. Jane Foster has been Valkyrie for at least a bit by the time VALJF 1 starts, but she's still getting used to her new powers.

VALJF 4 (1-3, 8-9)-FB happens at some point before VALJF 1; Mephisto sends Grim Reaper after Valkyrie, and that's what he's doing -BTS in VALJF 1. VALJF 4 (19)-FB happens between VALJF 3-4.

And then... Dani Moonstar appears on Krakoa in VALJF 4 (8-9)-FB. This isn't a public appearance of Krakoa or anything, so I guess it could go before it's public reveal in HOX 1. There can be a break of time between VALJF 3-4, but Jane's friend finds out Jane is keeping a flying horse in her apartment, so not too terribly long. Also, Jane looks up Annabelle Riggs in VALJF 4, like Brunnhilde asked her to do in VALJF 1. So there's that. Also, Doctor Strange appears in VALJF 4-5, which happen in a day.

There's a clean break between VALJF 5-6.

Doctor Strange appears again in VALJF 6, refers to DS5 19 and says he's planning on getting back into surgery. So, this is after DS5 20 and before both MMSM 9-11??? and DSSRGNS 1. VALJF 6-7 happens in a day.

The next issue box shows Valkyrie meeting the new-look Thor from T6 1.
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ASM5 32 says that Spider-Man 2099 crashed into a Roxxon oil rig a few days ago; this was seen at the tail end of ASM5 25. I’m going to ignore that “a few days” bit, or possibly re-interpret it as “a few weeks.” The Foreigner appears here, even though he’s supposed to be behind Captain America’s fugitive status (or something) over in CA8 9-???, which isn’t over yet. He’s working for Silver Sable here.

ASM5 33 is the same night as last issue and then the next day. Doctor Doom appears, and trees have gold and brown leaves.

ASM5 34 Doom is assassinated, but it turns out to be a Doombot. To be continued in 2099:A 1.
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2099:A 1 takes place entirely in the future, and is a different 2099 than the classic one, but the Spider-Man 2099 that went to the present in ASM5 25-36 seems to be the classic one (he recognizes Tempest Munroe at the end of ASM5 36). Also, when he was looking for Spider-Man in ASM5 34, ASM5 34-FB shows his reality changing into what’s seen here, basically.

Anyway…

ASM5 34-FB the future is changing, Spider-Man 2099 (Miguel) goes to the past
ASM5 25-36 Miguel arrives in the past and apparently stays there until the year 2099
DOOM2099v2 1-FB Doom defeats Mr. Fantastic
SM2099v4 1-FB a month ago
2099:A 1 in the future, Doom appears, as does Miguel, so this must be the new/altered 2099
FF2099v2 1 no character overlap
CO2099 1 no character overlap
P2099v2 1 no character overlap
GR2099v2 1 no character overlap
V2099 1 no character overlap
DOOM2099v2 1 Mr. Fantastic returns and confronts Doom
SM2099v4 1 Miguel is having dreams about Spider-Man 2099 and meets an older version of himself
2099:O 1 picks up where SM2099v4 1 left off and the older version of himself (the one from ASM5 25-36) shows him what the world is supposed to be like. Miguel becomes Spider-Man.
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ASM5 35 is the same night as last issue and has cameos by a bunch of characters, but here are a few of interest: Ms. Marvel in her classic costume, Daredevil in his red suit, Spider-Miles, etc.

ASM5 36 is still the same night as last issue and ends the plot. Spider-Man 2099 is left in the present.

ASM5 32-36 is one block over two days.

ASM5 37 says that ASM5 29 “was just the other day.” Maybe Spider-Man just feels like it was the other day? Also, the Fast Five appear here; but one of them died in VALJF 1-5. I guess they got a new Gold Rush. ASM5 37 (10)-FB happens between ASM5 36-37, and Iron Man (Tony), Captain Marvel, Mr. Fantastic, Black Cat, Daredevil in classic suit, She-Hulk, Human Torch, Man-Thing and Captain America (in regular suit) cameo. Mary Jane appears on video chat with Peter, probably sometime during her AMJ mini. Jonah is offered a new job.

ASM5 38 starts with Jonah’s first day at his new job (so at least two weeks since last issue? Assuming Jonah would give a two week notice and not just walk out of a job). Regular people know about Krakoa. …and we get the dreaded “live feed” of a bunch of scenes taken from other comics. Also, BCAT@ 1 is referenced as “last month,” so that’s nice.

The “happening now” scenes I recognize are IMMH 29, STRKFOR 5, DP8 2, STAR 1 and three others I can’t immediately place. The problem, of course, is that Titania appears in both IMMH 29 and STAR 1. She can’t be in two places at once, the Alpha Flight Space Station (IMMH 29) and New York City (STAR 1), so these scenes can’t be happening at the same “now” time. What we’ve done in the past with this type of thing is just assume some are recordings, meaning all of these comics should happen before ASM5 38. But if for whatever reason that doesn’t/can’t work, eh, whatever.

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One of the ASM5 38 "now" scenes is from CM9 14.
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AMJ 1 (1-15) has Mary Jane filming the sizzle reel for the movie she’s been hired for, so it’s not her first day in town, but early in it.

AMJ 1 (16-20) is “later.” Spider-Man chats with Mary Jane on the phone, some set photos are leaked and the Vulture and some villains plan to head to Hollywood.

AMJ 2 is “weeks” into production, which is supposed to last six months. The issue spans 23 days, and the production schedule gets reduced to three months. The villains finally arrive.

AMJ 3 (1-12:4) is the same day as the end of last issue, and Mysterio tricks the attacking villains into leaving. AMJ 3 (12:5-15) is at least a day later. AMJ 3 (16) is the next day. AMJ 3 (17-20) is days later, and Spider-Man Teresa Parker, Cloak and Dagger cameo.

AMJ 4 (1-12) is the same day as the end of last issue. AMJ 4 (13-20) is at least a day or so later. There’s only one scene left to film, so we’re roughly three months after AMJ 1 (16-20), or three months after AMJ 2’s end. Spider-Man mentions their video chat date for “tomorrow.” This might be the one seen in ASM5 37, ASM5 37 & AMJ 4 were published the same month. Also, during a school semester.

AMJ 5 isn’t out yet.
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Col_Fury wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:30 pm Also, Foggy Nelson appears throughout PKK 1-5, and Daredevil appears in costume hanging out with the Avengers. So, shortly after WOTR (which was already the case) but also before DD6 1.
Here's the thing - Matt is badly injured by the end of the Soule series (which ended with DD 612). He basically finishes it on the operating table.

The Man Without Fear miniseries which follows is four issues of saying how horrible a shape he's in - not just from the recent injuries, but from all the injuries over his entire time as Daredevil. Followed by one issue of a training montage of him getting back on his feet (which presumably takes a while, but no timeframe is specified within the series - DD6 1 does refer to "weeks of intense physical therapy" though, both in the recap page and the issue).

DD6 (the Zdarsky series) then starts with him having "only been back as Daredevil for a week or so". And he's still messed up and sloppy, which leads to the cliffhanger (which has essentially defined the series to date).

Now, technically WOTR could occur within that "week or so". But "Daredevil becomes a god" isn't wonderfully cromulent with the thrust of DD6, especially the opening. (And he quits as Daredevil in DD6 5, the end of the first arc, and still isn't back in costume as of DD6 16 - or Incoming!, which is later - even if he's technically superheroing again).
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Yeah, I've thinking about moving DD 609-612 to after WOTR. Another wrinkle, though, is Doug Ramsey is still working with Daredevil as of DD 609-612, but starts hanging out on Krakoa at some point. But man, DD 612 was published five months before WOTR 1. That's a ways out of publication order, but as you point out, DD 609-612 doesn't work very well happening before WOTR.
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I'm just interjecting a couple of stray thoughts here..
Col_Fury wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:35 pm …and we get the dreaded “live feed” of a bunch of scenes taken from other comics.
Personally, i tend to treat these as reviewing previously recorded happenings, in no particular order.. that everything we're seeing on the monitors are actually recently recorded events..
Col_Fury wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:07 am Yeah, I've thinking about moving DD 609-612 to after WOTR. Another wrinkle, though, is Doug Ramsey is still working with Daredevil as of DD 609-612, but starts hanging out on Krakoa at some point. But man, DD 612 was published five months before WOTR 1. That's a ways out of publication order, but as you point out, DD 609-612 doesn't work very well happening before WOTR.
I'm not sure if this may help or hinder, but DD 609 is specifically said to be occuring in October. Also, maybe DD was occasionally active in costume during his weeks of therapy?
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I don't think that October reference was ever going to work. Currently, DD 609-612 is placed after DP7 9, which says it's on Valentine's Day. And if we push it forward to the October after WOTR, then Doug is splitting his time between helping Daredevil and working with Krakoa.

Yuck.

Also, yep, T6 1 is a status quo change for Thor. At the start of the issue, Thor is no longer full-time with the Avengers and is spending more time ruling Asgard. Tony Stark appears as Iron Man (alongside the rest of the current Avengers lineup). By the end of the issue, an injured Galactus transforms Thor into the herald of thunder, explaining his new look.

Over in INCOMING! 1, Thor is with the Avengers in his recently-modern normal look… and Tony Stark is no longer Iron Man. I think we’re going to have to open a gap in T6 1.

T6 1 (1-7) is where Tony and the Avengers appear. Tony congratulates Thor on his “retirement” from the Avengers.

T6 1 (8-30) says it’s been “many months” since WOTR, and Thor is ruling Asgard. Loki appears. Injured Galactus (missing an arm!) appears. Silver Surfer appears. Galactus warns Thor of a looming threat and Thor is transformed to deal with it.

In theory:

IMMH 25-26 (Cho, Namor, Tony as Iron Man appear, Krakoa mentioned)
T6 1 (1-7) (Tony as Iron Man appears)
TSIM 15-18, 19 (1-14) (Tony stops being Iron Man)
TSIM 19 (15-17) (Baintronics takes over Stark Unlimited)
TSIM 19 (18-20) (Iron Man 2020 debuts) [the New Year]
X5 4 [January 21]
IMMH 27 [one day, no mention of how long since IMMH 26]
IMMH 28 (Baintronics mentioned) [six days since IMMH 27]
INCOMING! 1 (Samson talks to Joe) (Arno already Iron Man) (Thor w/Avengers, normal costume)
IMMH 29-30??? (Samson already talked to Joe) [IMMH 28 was "last Sunday"]
T6 1 (8-20) (Thor turned into herald of thunder)
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