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Call for FB : books added 08/01/21

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FB placed :

ASM4 12 (18:4)-FB : Augustin Roman cries with his wife and son dead in his arms, during a super villain attack. It's clearly supposed to be the Masters of Evil vs the Avengers, Zemo and Captain America's pose is from A 277 cover. It has to happen during the brief fight between Captain Marvel and Moonstone, at a time when Captain America is free : I've put it between A 276 (20:3) and (20:4).


FB to place :

DP6 14 (19:1 - 19:4)-FB : Cable travels in the past to deposit money, then he collects the interests in the present. Must be before he's stuck in the present.


INTIM 4-FB, 5-FB, 6-FB, 7-FB Fixed by Leoparis for SHIELD agents (Nick Fury, Dum Dum Dugan, Contessa de Fontaine, Gabe Jones)
INTIM 4 (7&8 - 13&14)-FB : Dum Dum Dugan is here when Hydra attacks Howard and Tony Stark and kidnaps Cassandra Gillepsie
INTIM 5 (1 - 5)-FB : Nick Fury speaks to Tony at Howard Stark's funerals.
INTIM 6 (1 - 7&8) : Contessa de Fontaine recruits Amanda Armstrong as a SHIELD agent. Dum Dum Dugan and Gabe Jones are here.
INTIM 7 (6 - 8)-FB : Contessa de Fontaine briefs Amanda after she's been attacked in Germany.
INTIM 7 (20)-FB : Contessa de Fontaine answers Amanda's call for help after she has killed Jude.


PM&IF3 6 (3:1 - 3:4)-FB : "Some time ago," Luke Cage is angry with War Machine because he blew up a building. Falcon, Shang-Chi and White Tiger are here. I couldn't place it. The cast looks like Mighty Avengers vol.2, and the scene could be during Infinity, but Jim wore the Iron Patriot armor at this time, and his War Machine armor here looks like an old one. Seemingly at the same time, in PM&IF3 6 (4:2 - 4:6)-FB, She-Hulk kisses Iron Fist in his white costume because he has saved her life. And in PM&IF3 6 (10&11:5)-FB, the New Avengers (Luke Cage, white Iron Fist, black costume Spider-Man, Wolverine, Dr. Strange, Spider-Woman) fight the Mighty Avengers (Iron Man, Wasp, Ms. Marvel, Black Widow, Wonder Man, Sentry, Ares). Couldn't place it neither.


PM&IF3 7 (10&11:6 - 10&11:10)-FB + (10&11:12 - 13)-FB : Danny Rand is a child in K'un Lun, Thunderer sends him in a cave so he can fight his demons.
PM&IF3 8 (2:1 - 2:4)-FB : still a kid, Danny willingly goes back to this cave.
PM&IF3 8 (2:5)-FB : he's still doing it around 16 years old


P11 6 (4 - 16)-FB : Frank Castle and Olaf are Marines, they do a last mission in the desert.


UGP 6 (1)-FB : Miles Morales is still in the Ultimate Universe, he doesn't know how his spider-sense works yet. He meets a student, who will bomb their school later on Earth-616.


MSM4 12/2-FB : This backup is a Black and Red Widows story, and has FB summarizing events told in prose novels from Margaret Stohl. The Red Widow was introduced in SHIELD50A:M/2.
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Re: Call for FB : books added 08/01/21

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michel wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:31 pmPM&IF3 6 (3:1 - 3:4)-FB : "Some time ago," Luke Cage is angry with War Machine because he blew up a building. Falcon, Shang-Chi and White Tiger are here. I couldn't place it. The cast looks like Mighty Avengers vol.2, and the scene could be during Infinity, but Jim wore the Iron Patriot armor at this time, and his War Machine armor here looks like an old one.
The White Tiger's presence limits indeed your options. Falcon joins in #4. The events of Iron Patriot #1-5 (damage to armor, death of his father in the Iron Patriot armor) might have prompted him to use an older armor.

This places Rhodes after Iron Patriot #5 and the Mighty Avengers between #9 and #10.
michel wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:31 pmSeemingly at the same time, in PM&IF3 6 (4:2 - 4:6)-FB, She-Hulk kisses Iron Fist in his white costume because he has saved her life.
I'm not sure that "Also some time ago" necessarily indicates the same event, but in the absence of any other clue... His next companion, Brenda, in Iron Fist Living Weapon 1 is a new one as he miscalls her Barbie. Iron Fist between MA2 7 and IF:LW 1. She-Hulk between She-Hulk 6 and MA2 10.
michel wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:31 pmAnd in PM&IF3 6 (10&11:5)-FB, the New Avengers (Luke Cage, white Iron Fist, black costume Spider-Man, Wolverine, Dr. Strange, Spider-Woman) fight the Mighty Avengers (Iron Man, Wasp, Ms. Marvel, Black Widow, Wonder Man, Sentry, Ares). Couldn't place it either.
In NA 36 the New Avengers overcome by symbiotes fight the Mighty Avengers. Cage is the only New Avenger not taken over. The picture is thus symbolic rather than factual.
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Re: Call for FB : books added 08/01/21

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Leoparis wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 4:55 pm I'm not sure that "Also some time ago" necessarily indicates the same event, but in the absence of any other clue... His next companion, Brenda, in Iron Fist Living Weapon 1 is a new one as he miscalls her Barbie.
That turns out to be a plot point. The woman is Brenda Swanson, illegitimate daughter of Harold Meachum. She approaches Iron Fist as part of a revenge scheme against her father's enemy. She learns a lot about him, but he is not particularly invested in their romantic relationship. He keeps forgetting her name, and variously calls her "Debbie", "Barbie", "Christie", and "Karyn". She thinks that he is a jerk.
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INTIM 4-FB, 5-FB, 6-FB, 7-FB

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michel wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:31 pm INTIM 4-FB, 5-FB, 6-FB, 7-FB for SHIELD agents (Nick Fury, Dum Dum Dugan, Contessa de Fontaine, Gabe Jones)
INTIM 4 (7&8 - 13&14)-FB : Dum Dum Dugan is here when Hydra attacks Howard and Tony Stark and kidnaps Cassandra Gillepsie
INTIM 5 (1 - 5)-FB : Nick Fury speaks to Tony at Howard Stark's funerals.
INTIM 6 (1 - 7&8) : Contessa de Fontaine recruits Amanda Armstrong as a SHIELD agent. Dum Dum Dugan and Gabe Jones are here.
INTIM 7 (6 - 8)-FB : Contessa de Fontaine briefs Amanda after she's been attacked in Germany.
INTIM 7 (20)-FB : Contessa de Fontaine answers Amanda's call for help after she has killed Jude.
The earliest flashbacks are those in issues 6 and 7, which are "38 years ago" and "34 years ago" They date to before Tony Stark's birth. His step-brother Arno was born before him so IM5 10-12 takes place earlier (roughly 40 years ago, this fits with Ross being a lieutenant in these). This is further confirmed by Howard Stark saying "Maria, we'll try again." (referring to the previous attempt in IM5)

IM5 10-12 > INTIM 6-7

Nick Fury's sons, Marcus & Mikel were born next, BSCARS 5-FB & M/GN:W/NF-FB. They're about the same age, with maybe Marcus slightly older.
IM5 10-12 > INTIM 6-7 > BSCARS 5-FB > M/GN:W/NF-FB

Then Peter Parker was born:
IM5 10-12 > INTIM 6-7 > BSCARS 5-FB & M/GN:W/NF-FB > Spider-Man/Deadpool 31, 33, 35-36

Then we have the "Twenty years ago flashbacks" in INTIM 4-5:
IM5 10-12 > INTIM 6-7 > BSCARS 5-FB & M/GN:W/NF-FB > Spider-Man/Deadpool 31, 33, 35-36 > INTIM 4-5

Then a Val de Fontaine (with white streak) is recruited "Fifteen Years ago" in SECWARR 14-FB by Dugan. The young contessa (without white streak) in INTIM 6-7 must be a different contessa (this is a family title after all).

FURY, COL. NICHOLAS "NICK" JOSEPH
M/:LG 9 (1980)
M/:LG 10 (1981)
*BSCARS 5-FB (30 yrs ago) ("CIA", fathering Jr) move to here
M/GN:W/NF-FB ("CIA", fathering Mikel)
*SM/DP 31-FB (27 yrs ago, SHIELD) add
*SM/DP 33-FB add
*SM/DP 35-FB add
*SM/DP 36-FB add
*INTIM 5-FB (20 yrs ago) add

DUGAN, TIMOTHY ALOYSIUS CADWALLADER "DUM DUM"
*IM 10-FB (Dugan Woo CIA Lt Ross Howard Stark) add
*IM 12-FB (Dugan Woo Lt Ross Howard Stark Arno's birth, 40 yrs ago) add
*INTIM 6-FB (38 yrs ago) add
*INTIM 7-FB (34 yrs ago) add
*SM/DP 31-FB (27 yrs ago) (SHIELD) add
*SM/DP 33-FB
*SM/DP 35-FB
*INTIM 5-FB (20 yrs ago) add
*SECWARR 14-FB (15 yrs ago) move to here
FF@ 3

JONES, GABRIEL "GABE"
*SGTF 100 (1972) move to here
*INTIM 6-FB (38 yrs ago) add
AC 4/2
FF@ 3
MARVELS 2

STARK, HOWARD
CV 2-FB (1953)
*A1959 3 move here
*INTIM 7 (1&2)-FB (38 yrs ago) move from here
IM5 10-FB (about 40 yrs ago, Arno is older than Tony)
IM5 11-FB
IM5 12-FB
IM5 17-FB
*INTIM 7 (1&2)-FB move here
INTIM 7 (21 - 23:4)-FB (about 34 yrs ago)
*A1959 3 (60 yrs ago) move from here

STARK, MARIA
CV 2-FB (1953)
*INTIM 7 (1&2)-FB move from here
IM5 10-FB
IM5 11-FB
IM5 12-FB
IM5 17-FB
*INTIM 7 (1&2)-FB move to here
INTIM 7 (21 - 23:4)-FB
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