Further analysis of Conan's pre-COB 1 chronology

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Further analysis of Conan's pre-COB 1 chronology

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This is pretty much a sequel to my post here from back in March: https://chronologyproject.com/phpbb2/vi ... =2&t=17932

I've recently gone over the current MCP sequence for Conan during this period (including placement for recent marvel bits from the Issue Analysis forum), which currently looks like this:

COB3 1 (1)-FB
COB 117-FB-FB
{COB 1 (14:4)-FB}
COB 232-FB
COB 233 (1 - 9)
COB 119-FB
COB 178
SAVT 4 (4:4)-FB
GSCO 1 (15:2)-FB
COB 130-FB
COB 128-FB
SAVSCO 89/2
COB 251-FB-FB
SAVSCO 34-FB
SAVSCO 203/2
SAVSCO 74-FB
SAVSCO2 3 (11:1)-FB
COB 233 (10 - 13)
SAVSCO 227 (1 - 11)
KCO 9-FB
SAVSCO 227 (12 - 15)
COB 48-FB
COB 1 (14:5)-FB
COA 1 (5:2 - 9)-FB
COB 233 (14 - 24)
COB 234
COB 235 (1 - 12:1)
COA 1 (12 - 13)-FB
COB 235 (12:2 - 17)
COB 145-FB
COB 8-FB
SAVSCO 6/2 (7 - 8)-FB
COA 1 (1 - 10)
COB 235 (18 - 21)
COA 1 (11 - 21)
COB 235 (22)
SAVSCO 6/2 (9 - 14)-FB
SAVSCO 6/2
KSCO (1-4)
COA 1 (22)
COB 235 (23)
COB 236-FB
COB 236
COB 237
COB 238-FB
COB 238
COB 239
COB 240 (1 - 16)-FB
COB 201-FB
SAVSCO 83/2
SAVSCO 219/2-FB
COA 2 (1 - 3:2)
SAVT 4 (4:5 - 4:7)-FB
COB 211-FB
COA 2 (3:3 - 23)
COB:EXODUS (1 - 3)
COB 31-FB
SAVSCO 182/2
KSCO (5-9:1)
COB 1 (1-2)
KSCO (9:4-10)
COB 1 (3-20)
...

I'll work through and point out each adjustment I believe needs to be made and why:

1) COB 117-FB-FB should be removed, as i discussed here: https://chronologyproject.com/phpbb2/vi ... =2&t=18421
2) COB 178 should be placed between panels 9:3 and 9:4 of COB 233 as Conan here plays only with a small spear, but by COB 233 (9:4) he has started training with a sword.
3) SAVT 4 (4:4)-FB should be moved to be adjacent to COB 178's new placement, as Conan's age and clothing match. My favoured placement would be before.
4) COB 130-FB should be removed, as I discussed here: https://chronologyproject.com/phpbb2/vi ... =2&t=18423
5) COB 233 (10-13) should be moved forward to take place before both SAVSCO 203/2 and SAVSCO 74-FB. In these pages Conan's father gifts him with a dagger, and the dagger is clearly visible and/or used in both of those other stories.
6) The current page and panel numbers for COA 1 are incorrect. (5:2-9)-FB should be (6:3-10)-FB, (12-13)-FB should be (13-14)-FB, (1-10) should be (1-11), (11-21) should be (12-21). I believe the first page was mistakenly omitted from the page count, though it depicts a soldier (side unclear) shouting "To the death!"
7) COB 1 (14:5)-FB should be moved to between KSCO (1-4) and COB 235 (22). It depicts the Battle of Venarium, but must take place in the aftermath due to the broad daylight and the fact that Conan is wearing Rion's pendant. I seem to have missed this panel in my previous analysis of Venarium.
8) All of Conan's appearance in SAVSCO 6/2 is a flashback from a modern day story, so SAVSCO 6/2 (9-14)-FB should be changed to SAVSCO 6/2 (9-27)-FB and the listing for SAVSCO 6/2 should be removed.
9) COB 211-FB is not a flashback and should be changed to COB 211 (1-11). It should also be moved to after COB 201-FB, as it is "winter", and Conan here is still living in Cimmeria.
10) In a similar vein, SAVSCO 219/2-FB should be placed just before COB 211 (1-11)'s new placement, as there is a "long, cold winter to come". Given that both Conan's 15th birthday and the Battle of Venarium take place within weeks of each other towards the start of winter, this is an ideal placement.
11) SAVSCO2 3 (11:1)-FB should be moved until after the Battle of Venarium as Conan wears Rion's pendant. As there is plenty of snow visible, a placement perhaps just before SAVSCO 83/2 in "early spring" makes sense.
12) The placement of COB 31-FB and SAVSCO 182/2 should be flipped. I accidentally changed the order from Roy Thomas's chronology in my previous post, when they can occur in his order without issue.
13) The flashbacks from page 17 of COB 240 are not currently listed. COB 240 (17:1-17:2)-FB takes place immediately preceding or simultaneous to the start of COB 31-FB. COB 240 (17:3)-FB takes place between pages 7 and 8 of KSCO. COB 240 (17:4-17:5) takes place concurrently with [COB 1 (1)] and KSCO (9:2-9:3).
14) The listings for the overlap of KSCO and COB 1 is incorrect. Other than altering the overlapping section as listed above, the remainder of the sequence should have KSCO (9:4-10) and then COB 1 (2-20).

I think that's all the changes I've made to get my current working chronology, shown here with chronological notes:

COB3 1 (1)-FB
COB 1 (14:4)-FB
COB 232-FB
COB 233 (1-9:3)
SAVT 4 (4:4)-FB
COB 178
COB 233 (9:4-9:5)
COB 119-FB
GSCO 1 (15:2)-FB
COB 128-FB
SAVSCO 89/2
COB 251-FB-FB
SAVSCO 34-FB
COB 233 (10-13)
SAVSCO 203/2
SAVSCO 74-FB
SAVSCO 227 (1-11)
KCO 9-FB
SAVSCO 227 (12-15)
COB 48-FB
COA 1 (6:3-10)-FB
COB 233 (14-24)
COB 234
COB 235 (1-12:1)
COA 1 (13-14)-FB
COB 235 (12:2-17)
COB 145-FB
COB 8-FB
SAVSCO 6/2 (7-8)-FB
COA 1 (1-11)
COB 235 (18-21)
COA 1 (12-21)
KSCO (1-4)
COB 1 (14:5)-FB
COB 235 (22)
SAVSCO 6/2 (9-27)-FB
COA 1 (22)
COB 235 (23)
COB 236-FB
COB 236
COB 237
COB 238-FB
COB 238
COB 239
COB 240 (1-16)-FB
COB 201-FB
SAVSCO 219/2-FB
COB 211 (1-11)
SAVSCO2 3 (11:1)-FB
SAVSCO 83/2
COA 2 (1-3:2)
SAVT 4 (4:5-4:7)-FB
COA 2 (3:3-23)
COB:EXODUS (1-3)
SAVSCO 182/2
COB 240 (17:1-17:2)-FB
COB 31-FB
KSCO (5-7)
COB 240 (17:3)
KSCO (8-9:1)
[COB 1 (1)] ~ COB 240 (17:4-17:5)-FB ~ KSCO (9:2-9:3)
KSCO (9:4-10)
COB 1 (2-20)
...

COB 201-FB unfortunately doesn't seem to fit neatly anywhere, so I may take a better look at that at some point, and COB:EXODUS (1-3) may fit better somewhere else, but works where it is currently placed for now. If there's any questions on any of these proposed changes let me know, I have some relatively extensive notes on chronological references in this sequence I can pull out if necessary. Let me know if I made any changes as well that I haven't explained - I wouldn't be surprised if I missed one while typing this up!

I don't intend to keep making big threads proposing sweeping changes as I have in this one, but with the tightness and clear progression of Conan's age in this part of the chronology, it seemed to make the most sense.
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