The post-Inferno to end of the Krakoa era X-titles thread

[Midnighter]

In Spider-Woman 5 Captain Marvel is called back by Vision on an ongoing Avengers matter related to Kang. I assume she is referring to the time when Kang was in Avengers custody between Avengers 2 and Avengers 10, with the group fighting the threats he predicted.
Since Carol is wearing the new costume, it should take place between Avengers 6 and Avengers 7 (beginning of the story that leads Kang to leave the Avengers).
Also, it seems that in Spider-Woman Carol also wears the Nega-Bands, so after Captain Marvel 1.

Gang War definitely takes place before Spider-Boy 4, since in Spider-Man Unlimited Infinity Comic 19/24 (tie-in to Gang War) Bailey is still at FEAST.

In Vengeance of the Moon Knight 3 we see Lady Yulan in charge in Chinatown. It is unclear how the bosses divided up the territories after the conclusion of Gang War, but as far as Lady Yulan and Mr. Negative are concerned, there should not have been too much upheaval (they should now report to Tombstone but continue to run their own territories). Certainly Moon Knight's death should have occurred before Gang War, so this story can also be placed before it if it proves necessary.

[Michael]

In Spider-Woman 5 Captain Marvel is called back by Vision on an ongoing Avengers matter related to Kang. I assume she is referring to the time when Kang was in Avengers custody between Avengers 2 and Avengers 10, with the group fighting the threats he predicted.
Since Carol is wearing the new costume, it should take place between Avengers 6 and Avengers 7 (beginning of the story that leads Kang to leave the Avengers).

OK, so then we are assuming that Gang War takes place before Fall of the House of X? Because Spider-Woman 4 is a part of Gang War and Avengers 11-12 are the Fall of the House of X tie-ins. So I guess we're assuming that there is only one cure, Amazing Spider-Man 45 takes place before X-Men 31, and the Kingpin and Typhoid Mary pages of X-Men 31 take place before Gang War.

In Vengeance of the Moon Knight 3 we see Lady Yulan in charge in Chinatown. It is unclear how the bosses divided up the territories after the conclusion of Gang War, but as far as Lady Yulan and Mr. Negative are concerned, there should not have been too much upheaval (they should now report to Tombstone but continue to run their own territories). Certainly Moon Knight's death should have occurred before Gang War, so this story can also be placed before it if it proves necessary.

The end of Gang War was weird. Tombstone says in Amazing 44 "New York used to be full of gangsters. Now we're the only ones left." The implication is that Tombstone and co won the gang war by default. The problem is that's not true. The Rose was taken away by the Kingpin's men, not captured. The Heat still remain on the loose. As for Lady Yulan and Mr.Negative, the heroes defeated the Inner Demons and the Yulan Vampires in Deadly Hands of Kung Fu 3 but Lady Yulan and Mr. Negative were not shown to be among them. Unless they were captured off panel, they should still be on the loose. it's especially weird since Mr. Negative's power is the ability to corrupt and take control of anyone he touches, so he should have no problem getting new goons.

[Midnighter]

OK, so then we are assuming that Gang War takes place before Fall of the House of X? Because Spider-Woman 4 is a part of Gang War and Avengers 11-12 are the Fall of the House of X tie-ins. So I guess we're assuming that there is only one cure, Amazing Spider-Man 45 takes place before X-Men 31, and the Kingpin and Typhoid Mary pages of X-Men 31 take place before Gang War.

For this week yes, let's wait for next week!
For now let's identify all the clues one way or the other and then see how to make it all fit together....
Let us always keep in mind, however, that Gang War takes place over 48 hours, while FotHoX has no precise time indications and indeed, to match the movements of many X-Men and Nimrod perhaps some breaks in the course of the action will have to be considered.

[StrayLamb]

Confused? You won't be, after next week's issue of X-Men: Soap!

[Clive_Reston]

In Spider-Woman 5 Captain Marvel is called back by Vision on an ongoing Avengers matter related to Kang. I assume she is referring to the time when Kang was in Avengers custody between Avengers 2 and Avengers 10, with the group fighting the threats he predicted.
Since Carol is wearing the new costume, it should take place between Avengers 6 and Avengers 7 (beginning of the story that leads Kang to leave the Avengers).

What Carol says is "We've had this thing going on with Kang"--which is in the past tense, a way of saying "things have been complicated with the Avengers lately and I should probably look in on what's going on." Which means there's no reason for it not to be after FotHoX > Gang War, and no reason to carve up X-Men 31 or assume there's only one cure for the two conditions...

X-Force 50, the final issue of the current series, reiterates that it's before Sabretooth War > FotHoX/RotPoX. Wolverine 46 continues Sabretooth War. Rise of the Powers of X 3 mostly takes place outside time or in time travel (and has some stuff that I assume is going to be cleared up in X-Men: Forever), but briefly continues the Moira-and-Enigma sequence from the previous issue, and clarifies the "Trickster Titan." Cable 3 has what looks like a brief break after page 10, after which it's news that Cyclops has "escaped from prison" (or... escaped from what was about to be his outdoor execution?), placing at least the latter part of this mini (and maybe the whole thing) after Fall of the House of X 2.

[Clive_Reston]

The final scene of this week's X-Men #33 continues the final scene of Fall of the House of X #3, with Cyclops and Nimrod--actually, both issues end with images of Sentinel City ascending. The rest of the issue takes place after Doctor Stasis has been "neutralized," e.g. after FotHoX 3 (1-16). Which means that there needs to be a break in FotHoX 3 (17) between panels 2 and 3 while Cyclops and Alia Gregor hang out, have a snack, watch a few episodes of the Simpsons, etc., while over in X-Men #33 Magik returns to Earth, helps track down Doctor Devo, brings Emma and the crew to Madripoor and gets launched toward the Negative Zone, and then Doom's X-Men come in and end the fight.

Avengers #12 is indeed (apparently) during the break in Invincible Iron Man 15 between 14:3 and 14:4, along with (at least Emma's scene in) FotHoX 1, which is why M.O.D.O.K. is still working with Orchis in it.

[Clive_Reston]

This week: Wolverine #47 (continuing that 10-part sequence), Ms. Marvel: Mutant Menace #2 (right after #1, sometime before all the Fall of the House stuff starts happening), and Invincible Iron Man #17 and Resurrection of Magneto #4, which connect at the end and clarify a lot of things about the current timeline. Here's how I currently understand the whole FotHoX/RotPoX sequence so far (and apologies for the length of this; corrections are, as always, very welcome). It helps that, since the gates are now down, everyone except Shadowkat needs to take a while to get where they're going (especially, like, between continents or planets), at least before Magik comes back:

Storm, on Arakko before everything goes down, wakes up and realizes she needs to go get Magneto. (Resurrection of Magneto 1)

Sometime around now, the Realm of X crew returns to Earth. (Realm of X 4)

Cyclops arrives at the Parisian court for (one day of) his trial. Colossus and Wolverine are under the courthouse, preparing to rescue Cyclops; Dr. Gregor and Omega Sentinel visit him. But then Xavier, at the Green Lagoon, demands that Rasputin IV come meet him right away, so the Rescue can't happen, and the trial continues. (FotHoX 1)

Spider-Man and Ms. Marvel use the High Evolutionary's bio-bomb to send out a fix for the Orchis hack. Nimrod arrives and they fight; the failed Cyclops rescue has already happened. Fisk is reunited with Mary. "Rogue's inbound in the jet, and we need to free Cyclops." The fix is being propagated worldwide, and Synch tells Shadowkat that she can tell Polaris that "the hostages are free; she's got a green light." (X-Men 31)

Cyclops has been found guilty. At the Bloom, Nimrod is sent to kill Krakoa. When Nimrod arrives, Krakoa disables him by (checks notes) spitting amber at him. Dr. Gregor announces that Krakoa will be eradicated. Rogue, Colossus, Wolverine and Gambit fly back to Europe to drop Shadowkat off in London so she can let everyone know it's game on. Shadowkat alerts Tony and Emma; Woofer on Arakko; Juggernaut at the mansion; and tries to find Polaris on Island M but she's gone. (FotHoX 1)

It's go time, so Tony gives Emma the brass knuckles, and they get into a scrap at the Hellfire Club. (Invincible Iron Man 15)

Tony calls in the Avengers before he goes to Australia. MODOK is involved. (Avengers 12 and presumably 13)

Feilong sees Tony going to Australia and leaves the Bloom to follow him there. (Invincible Iron Man 15)

Polaris, who has apparently gotten to Knowhere under her own power somehow, finds Broo and summons the Brood. (FotHoX 1)

Ororo, who has somehow gotten to Earth (presumably by conventional means, which could take a while), goes to Kadesh Base, finds Blue Marvel, then goes into the afterlife and brings Magneto back in the time it takes her to be revived from cardiac arrest--very, very quickly, that is. (Resurrection of Magneto 1-3)

After Feilong has departed the Bloom (and left Stasis and MODOK aboard it), Polaris and the Brood (who have made it all the way back from Knowhere) attack it, assisted by Colossus, Wolverine and Nightcrawler. Shadowkat is "in Paris trying to back Cyclops up." (FotHoX 2)

The lighthouse keeper and Lockheed encounter an assassin; by now, the Bloom has been disabled. (X-Men 32)

In No-Place X, "weeks" after the rest of the issue, Xavier is with his team; "the X-Men are beginning their assault on Orchis," and the plan can proceed. Rasputin is sent off to stop Enigma's ascension in the Stasis timeline. Rachel's team is "resurrected and being briefed in the WHR." "Time dilation is weird." (X-Men Forever 1)

Juggernaut is trying to rescue Krakoa, who has somehow managed to run somewhere despite being in the middle of the ocean. Emma is in NYC. Rogue and Gambit, on the jet, go to Central Park to retrieve Manifold, and send the jet back to Emma. Stasis escapes. In Paris, Karima is about to execute Cyclops when Dr. Gregor freezes her and tells him about Sentinel City. Nimrod breaks free of the... amber. (FotHoX 2)

More or less simultaneously with the above, Magik is back but unwell. Shadowkat and Polaris arrive and cure her. Cyclops announces that he's just secured Alia Gregor as an asset, and invites Magik to join him. (X-Men 32 6-20)

Juggernaut, hauling Krakoa-the-tree, is attacked. Cyclops and Dr. Gregor run into a tower, where they meet Magik, who throws Cyclops a visor that he is somehow able to catch. (FotHoX 3)

Following an indefinite break from Cable # 1, 2 and the first half of #3, it is apparently breaking news that Cyclops has been found "criminally responsible" for the Hellfire Gala massacre and has escaped. (Cable 3)

On Arakko, Apocalypse and Woofer gather the mutant troops. Manifold shows up with the Keep, and he, Rogue and Gambit invite the Arakii aboard. Manifold moves the Keep so it makes an X with the Keep, and the Arakkii forces come out of it. (FotHoX 3)

Rasputin's mission has succeeded nine times, but fails the tenth. "The S.W.O.R.D. station [presumably the Keep] is deploying." "Krakoa is unwell." Xavier's team now has to switch to plan B: keep Krakoa from having happened. (Rise of the Powers of X 1)

Xavier explains the new plan to the team. In the White Hot Room, the briefing is now complete; "Mother Askani's team are resurrected and ready." (RotPoX 2)

Tony, presumably en route to Australia, gets a message from Firestar and forwards it to Emma, who is with Shadowkat on the Thunderbird. Emma and Shadowkat track down Stasis... somehow. Synch finds Firestar, in what looks like New York. Emma kills Stasis; Firestar... somehow immediately arrives from wherever she was and burns his corpse. Magik takes Cyclops and Alia Gregor to the Summer House on the Moon, then leaves, because she's being asked to help hunt for Dr. Devo. (FotHoX 3)

Magneto, having been briefed on what's up with Orchis, "as the resistance mobilizes," immediatley goes to "the closest Orchis facility." Then he fights a Stark Sentinel and gets a notification that Emma needs him to go help Tony. Presumably it takes him a while to get to Australia. (Resurrection of Magneto 4)

Tony fights Feilong in Australia during the X-Men's counterattack, then gets bonked on the head. (Invincible Iron Man 16)

Reivers attack Callisto in Madripoor. Emma announces that Stasis is dead. Logan fights some Orchis types in the Morlock tunnels. Shadowkat shows up to help Callisto in Madripoor. Dr. Devo arrives in Madripoor and is greeted by the Emma/Forge/Logan/Synch/Ms. Marvel/Magik team. Ms. Marvel calls in the Latverian X-Men, who kill Dr. Devo. (X-Men 33)

Cyclops and Alia Gregor, who have evidently been hanging out for a few hours in the Summer House between panels, talk and then run into Nimrod, who kills Dr. Gregor and talks about Sentinel City. (FotHoX 3)

Cyclops tells Emma, vis psychic transmission, that Dr. Gregor is dead, as Nimrod beats him up and then leaves. Cyclops notes that "Sentinel City is rising." (X-Men 33)

Tony, who has been knocked unconscious, wakes up, hallucinates and finally encounters Feilong, who now knows that Orchis was using humans as pawns. (Invincible Iron Man 17)

Emma, who is with Forge, Wolverine, Magik, Ms. Marvel and Synch, has sent Magneto to help Tony. (Invincible Iron Man 17)

There has been some "chronal dilation," but Rachel's team has "only tried ten timelines" when the No-Place is attacked. (RotPoX 2)

Rachel's team, after some failures, manages to find and get readings off a moderately human Moira. (Dead X-Men 1)

By the time Rasputin saves the No-Place crew, Rachel's team has gotten the info they need. Xavier heads off. Meanwhile, Orchis's "human allies are crumbling"; Nimrod talks to Moira, and Enigma contacts her. (RotPoX 2)

Enigma talks with Moira. (RotPoX 3)

Rachel's team convinces her to let them chase the rogue Moira through other timelines as No-Place X starts being attacked again. (Dead X-Men 2)

No-Place X is being attacked again. (RotPoX 3)

During the attack, Rachel sends her team to even more timelines--by now Xavier's been gone only briefly, thanks to time dilation. (Dead X-Men 3)

Rasputin finds out what's going on and goes through the portal. She and Rachel stop Xavier from killing young Moira. Old Moira makes contact with the Dominion. Things suddenly go badly for a couple of members of Xavier's team. (RotPoX 3)

[Michael]

Sometime around now, the Realm of X crew returns to Earth. (Realm of X 4)

I think they had to get back at least a couple of days before Fall of the House of X 1 since Gambit's appearance in X-Men Unlimited 129-130 takes place before his appearance in Fall of the House of X 1 and Dani has already managed to locate Roberto before the X-Men Unlimited arc started.

Ororo, who has somehow gotten to Earth (presumably by conventional means, which could take a while), goes to Kadesh Base, finds Blue Marvel, then goes into the afterlife and brings Magneto back in the time it takes her to be revived from cardiac arrest--very, very quickly, that is. (Resurrection of Magneto 1-3)

If you look carefully at Resurrection of Magneto 1, Lactua's face appears on the monitors of Adam's headquarters and a "spacefold breach" is mentioned. I think the idea is that Lactua realized that Orchis were Enigma's pawns and abandoned her usual policy of noninterference to transport Storm to Adam in hopes that a resurrected Magneto could help stop Orchis.

Tony, presumably en route to Australia, gets a message from Firestar and forwards it to Emma, who is with Shadowkat on the Thunderbird. Emma and Shadowkat track down Stasis... somehow. Synch finds Firestar, in what looks like New York. Emma kills Stasis; Firestar... somehow immediately arrives from wherever she was and burns his corpse. Magik takes Cyclops and Alia Gregor to the Summer House on the Moon, then leaves, because she's being asked to help hunt for Dr. Devo. (FotHoX 3)

Tony has to be already in Australia at this point- in X-Men 32, Emma talks about Tony being in Australia. It's explained that Firestar placed a tracker on Stasis and that's how they found him.

Magneto, having been briefed on what's up with Orchis, "as the resistance mobilizes," immediatley goes to "the closest Orchis facility." Then he fights a Stark Sentinel and gets a notification that Emma needs him to go help Tony. Presumably it takes him a while to get to Australia. (Resurrection of Magneto 4)

I think that Emma sends Magneto to rescue Tony after Tony gets bonked on the head. Illyana could have transported Magneto to Australia.

By the time Rasputin saves the No-Place crew, Rachel's team has gotten the info they need. Xavier heads off. Meanwhile, Orchis's "human allies are crumbling"; Nimrod talks to Moira, and Enigma contacts her. (RotPoX 2)

I think it makes more sense to place Nimrod's conversation with Moria BEFORE Scott and Gregor confront Nimrod.

[Clive_Reston]

Good call on the slightly earlier placement of Realm of X folks returning--for both Mary and Illyana, it's suggested that they've been around for a little while when they do show up. Also thank you for pointing out that Storm probably got to Earth via Lactuca! Why she'd be hanging out with Craig while everyone's mobilizing for the Earth invasion is another question, but... maybe it took her a few days to track Lactuca down?

And thank you, also, for reminding me about the tracker on Stasis!

Tony, presumably en route to Australia, gets a message from Firestar and forwards it to Emma, who is with Shadowkat on the Thunderbird. Emma and Shadowkat track down Stasis... somehow. Synch finds Firestar, in what looks like New York. Emma kills Stasis; Firestar... somehow immediately arrives from wherever she was and burns his corpse. Magik takes Cyclops and Alia Gregor to the Summer House on the Moon, then leaves, because she's being asked to help hunt for Dr. Devo. (FotHoX 3)

Tony has to be already in Australia at this point- in X-Men 32, Emma talks about Tony being in Australia.

What Emma says is "Iron Man's Sentinel Buster armor has arrived from space and is drawing the bulk of the Sentinels to the Australian outback." The Sentinel Buster armor (which looks like a fleet of ships) is specifically what draws the Sentinels there; Tony himself arrives after at least some of it, in the Mark 72 armor, which is what he uses to pilot it.

By the time Rasputin saves the No-Place crew, Rachel's team has gotten the info they need. Xavier heads off. Meanwhile, Orchis's "human allies are crumbling"; Nimrod talks to Moira, and Enigma contacts her. (RotPoX 2)

I think it makes more sense to place Nimrod's conversation with Moria BEFORE Scott and Gregor confront Nimrod.

I'm curious why you think so! In RotPoX 2, we see Nimrod talking to Moira during "the X-Men invasion," which we haven't really seen much of on the page yet, as he's blasting something; Moira's on the run (and next to something that looks suspiciously like a wrecked Nimrod). When Scott and Gregor confront Nimrod, he's just been hanging out in the Summer House, plugged in and maybe charging, as Sentinel City is getting ready to rise.

[Midnighter]

In the last two issues of Avengers United Unlimited Comics, released today, Spider-Woman appears to still be active in New York, Captain Marvel has the new costume (so after Avengers 6), and Iron Man has the stealth armor.
That would place this story before Gang War and Fall of House of X.

[Michael]

What Emma says is "Iron Man's Sentinel Buster armor has arrived from space and is drawing the bulk of the Sentinels to the Australian outback." The Sentinel Buster armor (which looks like a fleet of ships) is specifically what draws the Sentinels there; Tony himself arrives after at least some of it, in the Mark 72 armor, which is what he uses to pilot it.

But the accompanying picture shows the Sentinel Buster Armor battling the Sentinels, which would mean that scene takes place after Tony arrived to pilot it at the end of Invincible iron Man 15.

By the time Rasputin saves the No-Place crew, Rachel's team has gotten the info they need. Xavier heads off. Meanwhile, Orchis's "human allies are crumbling"; Nimrod talks to Moira, and Enigma contacts her. (RotPoX 2)

I think it makes more sense to place Nimrod's conversation with Moria BEFORE Scott and Gregor confront Nimrod.

I'm curious why you think so! In RotPoX 2, we see Nimrod talking to Moira during "the X-Men invasion," which we haven't really seen much of on the page yet, as he's blasting something; Moira's on the run (and next to something that looks suspiciously like a wrecked Nimrod). When Scott and Gregor confront Nimrod, he's just been hanging out in the Summer House, plugged in and maybe charging, as Sentinel City is getting ready to rise.

In RotPoX 2, Nimrod is talking about how they be part of the Dominion in ten years. In X-Men 33, Nimrod doesn't bother to kill Scott because Scott will be part of the Dominion. Maybe Nimrod is VERY overconfident but it seems likely that Nimrod has already heard that Enigma contacted Moira and thinks that will allow them to speed the process up.
Also, in RotPoX 2, Nimrod says that their human allies "are melting away" but in Invincible Iron Man 17, Feilong has already realized that the Sentinels are programmed to kill HIM. It seems odd to say that their human allies are melting away when they're trying to kill them. I think that RotPoX 2 is supposed to take place before Invincible iron Man 17.

[Clive_Reston]

This week's Dead X-Men #4 concludes that miniseries; its final page is simultaneous with Rise of the Powers of X #3 (15).

Fall of the House of X #4... well, we'll have to see what the next few weeks do to my timeline above. Page 4 is immediately after the end of X-Men 33 (we even see Nimrod disappearing). I'm guessing there's a substantial break between pages 4 and 5, because Xavier shows up on page 5, presumably after RotPoX #3. (But I have a sneaking suspicion that there's more than one "Xavier" at the moment.)

Also this week, for future reference: Marvel's Voices Infinity Comic #97 is an Escapade story (also featuring Emma Frost, Nightcrawler, Magik and D-Cel) that is, I think, the first full-on post-Krakoa X-Men story to be published! (Not counting Gang War etc.)

[Clive_Reston]

Avengers 13 includes a note that it takes place during Fall of the House of X 1, which indeed it does--between pages 27 and 28, right after Avengers 12. Well, the first 18 pages of it do, anyway. The last two are "days later"--how many days? let's not decide just yet, maybe quite a few--at the beginning of Blood Hunt.

Wolverine 48 continues that story. No surprises there.

Rise of the Powers of X 4 and X-Men: Forever 2 take place concurrently--along with Fall of the House of X 4, in fact. I'll put together a full page breakdown later.