The post-Inferno to end of the Krakoa era X-titles thread

[Midnighter]

Also this week, Storm appeared in Power Pack:Into the Storm 2. It's a continuity insert, and Storm appears with a mohawk and using her powers while Franklin Richards has the ability to send out his dream selves. Which is impossible, since there was no point in Marvel history where Franklin was sending out dream selves while Storm had both her mohawk and her powers, but I'm sure Leoparis will have more to say on that.

Oh yeah, Storm loses her powers at practically the same time as the Power brothers get theirs, while Franklin only comes into contact with the Powers in the period around Secret Wars II, much later.
I would hope it is a mistake on the part of June Brigman who drew the meeting in midair and that Storm was not supposed to fly in the script, or that she was levitated by Magneto in midair to prevent the kids from meeting the former terrorist and criminal (they don't know that Friday is empty and there is only Franklyn's dreamy form).
But the fact that the Power Packs are on a planet where they are at the mercy of electrical storms makes me think that in future issues Storm will get involved just because of her powers...

This miniseries takes place shortly Power Pack: Grown Up! in which Alex turns 13 and the Power brothers clash with the Brood at a Lila Cheney concert with the help of Wolverine and Kitty Pryde. I do not recall if there were any references to Alex's 13-year-old birthday in the original series (note that at the time of the birth of the Future Fondation Mr. Fantastic states that he is now 19 years old).

[Michael]

Now that I think about it, Power Pack:Into the Storm doesn't make any sense. In issue 1, Ben refers to a battle between Doom and Reed throughout time. Leoparis assumed that referred to FF 352. But later on in issue 1, Franklin says that his parents don't know what his dream self can do. Reed and Sue found out about Franklin's dream self in FF 301. So this would have to take place before FF 301, and since Storm makes reference to Kitty being away on a mission in issue 2, before the Mutant Massacre, where Kitty is injured. But the Powers and the Richards meet in Power Pack 28, and the Mutant Massacre tie-in issue is Power Pack 27. There's no logical place for this series to take place.
And just to confuse things further, it's noted Maraud is believed dead. That seems to be a reference to Maraud's seeming death in Power Pack Holiday Special 1, which has a 1992 cover date. And in issue 2, Kofi mentions his father having tampered with the Powers' brains, which the Pack learned about in Power Pack 50, which had a 1989 cover date. (Fantastic Four 301 had a 1987 cover date.)

[Clive_Reston]

X-Men #32 takes place pretty quickly, and appears to be very shortly after Fall of the House of X #2. (It also seems to be fairly soon after Magik has returned from Realm of X, but she could've been lying low for a while.)

Ms. Marvel: Mutant Menace #1 is at the beginning of Kamala's school year (after her summer internship in the previous mini). Logan and Deadpool are both living in the Morlock tunnels, so this is presumably after the Latveria mission. I think we're going to have to consider the recent Thanksgiving and Christmas scenes in Invincible Iron Man topical references...

Speaking of Iron Man: he appears in his stealth armor in both Avengers #11 (referring to Krakoa having fallen at the Gala) and Thanos #4 (with Emma Frost, at some point during their "alliance").

Storm is in Marvel's Voices Infinity Comic #93, continuing that serial; no additional placement indicators. X-Men Unlimited Infinity Comic #129 continues the ongoing storyline that looks like it's going to stretch until the end of the Krakoan era, and ties up the loose end of the "secret business" that Sunspot was up to during the Gala.

[Somebody]

I updated the thread title there, since we now have a definitive "end of the Krakoa era" marker (X-Men #35, also billed as Legacy Uncanny X-Men #700).

[Michael]

X-Men #32 takes place pretty quickly, and appears to be very shortly after Fall of the House of X #2. (It also seems to be fairly soon after Magik has returned from Realm of X, but she could've been lying low for a while.)

This is weird. Illyana says that she looked for the X-Men everywhere but apparently she never checked the Limbo Embassy or the Hellfire Club, which would have been the two most obvious places to ask for information. And in this week's X-Men Unlimited Infinity 129, Dani seems to have made contact with Sunspot AT LEAST a few days ago and it has to take place before Fall of the House of X because Remy hasn't shaved his beard in Unlimited 129 but he has shaved it in Fall of the House of X. (More on that below.)

Ms. Marvel: Mutant Menace #1 is at the beginning of Kamala's school year (after her summer internship in the previous mini). Logan and Deadpool are both living in the Morlock tunnels, so this is presumably after the Latveria mission. I think we're going to have to consider the recent Thanksgiving and Christmas scenes in Invincible Iron Man topical references...

It's not clear that Logan IS living in the Morlock tunnels. If we're assuming that X-Men 30 takes place before the Latverian mission, then the Latverian mission leads into X-Men 31, which takes place during House of X. There's no room for the Ms. Marvel series to take place.
It's possible Wolverine was just visiting to coordinate X-Force's and the X-Men's activity. If you look at X-Men 28, Logan doesn't say this is the first time he's seen Kamala since the Gala- all he does is comment on Kate looking like Ogun. And Kate is nowhere in Ms. Marvel Mutant Menace 1.
Speaking of which, one weird thing about this issue is that Rogue appears in the hairstyle and costume she got in Uncanny Avengers 5. But one of the people at the mosque says of the massacre at the Gala "We don't know the whole story. The mutants haven't told their side of it." The Kingpin told Ben Urich what happened at the Gala in Uncanny Avengers 4 and it was published in Uncanny Avengers 5. So judging by Rogue's costume, this takes place after Uncanny Avengers 5 and judging by the fact that no one seems to have read Ben's story, it takes place before Uncanny Avengers 5.
One odd thing about this issue is that Logan's appearance should definitely take place after X-Force 47. But Phoebe was found in that issue. Even if Logan was just visiting, you'd think he'd ask one of the heroes to let Emma know Phoebe was alive. But Emma hasn't shown any reaction yet.

Storm is in Marvel's Voices Infinity Comic #93, continuing that serial; no additional placement indicators. X-Men Unlimited Infinity Comic #129 continues the ongoing storyline that looks like it's going to stretch until the end of the Krakoan era, and ties up the loose end of the "secret business" that Sunspot was up to during the Gala.

X-Men Unlimited infinity 129 takes place in between Dark X-Men 5 and Fall of the House of X 1, since Remy and Feint don't seem to be part of the Dark X-Men but Remy hasn't shaved his beard like he has in Fall of the House of X 1.
Note that Sunspot is on Earth. It's unclear how he got there- we don't know how the X-Men are planning on getting the mutants from Mars to Earth, since the "ships" turned out to be fake. Now you'd think he wouldn't risk traveling by to Earth too far ahead of the invasion, since the entire plan depends on Orchis thinking the only way the mutants can get from Mars to Earth is via Tony's spaceships. On the other hand, it's possible he felt he had to risk it because the danger to innocent mutants was so great.

[Clive_Reston]

It's not clear that Logan IS living in the Morlock tunnels. If we're assuming that X-Men 30 takes place before the Latverian mission, then the Latverian mission leads into X-Men 31, which takes place during House of X. There's no room for the Ms. Marvel series to take place.

I don't know about that--there could very easily be some space before the beginning of #31. (One possibility: Synch gets back from Counter-Earth, and the strain of holding Talon's mind gradually messes him up more and more. When the Latveria team gets back, that's shortly after he's popped claws and trashed the room; he's feverish and incapacitated for a week or two after that, while Spider-Man and Gold Goblin are still working out what the cure could be and how to make the High Evolutionary's device deliver it. Meanwhile MM:MM 1 takes place and everybody else gets ready for the big offensive, and then #31 starts.)

Speaking of which, one weird thing about this issue is that Rogue appears in the hairstyle and costume she got in Uncanny Avengers 5. But one of the people at the mosque says of the massacre at the Gala "We don't know the whole story. The mutants haven't told their side of it." The Kingpin told Ben Urich what happened at the Gala in Uncanny Avengers 4 and it was published in Uncanny Avengers 5. So judging by Rogue's costume, this takes place after Uncanny Avengers 5 and judging by the fact that no one seems to have read Ben's story, it takes place before Uncanny Avengers 5.

Fisk isn't a mutant, and a lot of people may not think he's the most trustworthy witness anyway!

Note that Sunspot is on Earth. It's unclear how he got there- we don't know how the X-Men are planning on getting the mutants from Mars to Earth, since the "ships" turned out to be fake. Now you'd think he wouldn't risk traveling by to Earth too far ahead of the invasion, since the entire plan depends on Orchis thinking the only way the mutants can get from Mars to Earth is via Tony's spaceships. On the other hand, it's possible he felt he had to risk it because the danger to innocent mutants was so great.

Sunspot used Cable's tech (presumably bodyslide tech) to get from Earth to Arakko, and then "that stopped working," but I don't think we know why; maybe it started working again after young Cable was freed in the current Cable miniseries? Alternately, I suspect Lactuca could have gotten him wherever he needed to go. And he's not being particularly public about his presence on Earth.

[Clive_Reston]

This week's Fall of the House of X #3 seems to take place in very quick succession with #2 and X-Men #32, going by the scenes with Cyclops and Alia Gregor. Wolverine #45 keeps rolling with the Sabretooth War sequence. Dead X-Men #3 is gonna be fun to index, since it consecutively hits scenes from Moira's 9th, 10th, 3rd, 2nd, 4th, 6th and 5th lives. (The one from the 10th appears to be the beginning of Cyclops' trial, and he's just walked up a set of stairs, which suggests when his back might have healed; the one from the 4th is that life's equivalent of a scene from X-Men #1!) There's also a footnote that indicates that its present-day sequences are concurrent with next week's Rise of the Powers of X #3.

Marvel's Voices Infinity Comic #94 wraps up that storyline in a fairly nonsensical way; nothing seems to contradict my earlier supposition that it's sometime after Thor reverts to his old outfit but before the 2023 Hellfire Gala.

[Michael]

Also, X-Men Unlimited 130 continues from issue 129 and confirms this is taking place after Dark X-Men 5.
Also this week, Amazing Spider-Man 45 takes place after Gang War. In it, Peter injects Aunt Anna with the cure for the drugs Orchis poisoned her with. The reason this is important is that the dialogue makes clear this takes place before the X-Men figured out a way to disperse the cure. So this means that Gang War takes place before the Fall of the House of X crossover. This has interesting implications for X-Men 31, which is part of the Fall of the House of X crossover. There are two separate storylines in X-Men 31- the main one where the X-Men and Spider-Man fight Nimrod while delivering the cure and a few pages where the Kingpin and Typhoid Mary reunite after Realm of X. But the Kingpin and Typhoid Mary are together during Gang War, so this means that the Kingpin and Typhoid Mary pages in X-Men 31 have to take place considerably before the Nimrod story in X-Men 31.
One more thing to note is that the Vulture appears in Amazing Spider-Man 45 and he's not techno-organic, so Amazing Spider-Man 45 has to take place after Uncanny Spider-Man 5.

[Midnighter]

Also this week, Amazing Spider-Man 45 takes place after Gang War. In it, Peter injects Aunt Anna with the cure for the drugs Orchis poisoned her with. The reason this is important is that the dialogue makes clear this takes place before the X-Men figured out a way to disperse the cure. So this means that Gang War takes place before the Fall of the House of X crossover.

I don't think.
There are two kinds of "cure" to be administered by the X-Men and Spider-Man.
One is that relating to the "dormant" effects of Krakoan medicines, which concerns all those who have taken the drugs but have not been activated by Orchis, and is that which is carried out through the "sphere" of the High Evolutionary. This is to prevent them from suffering the effects of the MODOK signal, a kind of vaccination.
The other is the "antidote" to the effects of MODOK signal activation, which involves Anna Watson and the few other surviving humans (I don't recall seeing any others)... This treatment is administered by Peter through an injection, and is used to return those who have already fallen victim to the rage to normal.

My idea is that Peter and Norman help the X-Men during Fall of the House of X, then Gang War happens and as soon as things calm down Peter goes to administer the cure to Anna. We note that also at Ravencroft is Whirlwind, who has returned to being his usual David Cannon after the events of Avengers Inc.

Danger appears in Ghost Rider: Final Revenge 1, apparently while Orchis is still operational.

[Michael]

But a footnote says "Spidey actually helped develop the cure in X-Men 29 and procured an advance dose!" (That should be X-Men 30.) And later on, Peter says "I couldn't wait for the X-Men to figure out the best dispersal method." Which is more likely- that there were two cures that Peter helped develop and that the X-Men had trouble figuring out how to disperse or that there was just one cure? (And the footnote points us to X-Men 30, remember.)

[Midnighter]

Yes, but in X-Men 31 the reunion between Fisk and Mary is said to take place at the same time as the fight with Nimrod ("Meanwhile"), so something definitely needs to be accommodated.
In that issue Synch specifically talks about freed hostages, not a cure, and early on Spidey and Ms Marvel talk about countermeasures to Orchis hack while Nimrod says they are making the kill switch inert.
In ASM 45 Osborn talks about official channels through which to administer the antidote, it seems to me a more structured thing than the High Evolutionary sphere and that it can be done without Orchis' interference. Incidentally, even seeing a mutant like Whirlwind "simply" detained at Ravencroft would not coincide much with the situation before Fall of the House of X.

[Michael]

We ignore "Meanwhile" captions all the time when we have to- some writers don't think too carefully about what "meanwhile" means. I'm more comfortable ignoring a meanwhile caption then turning what is clearly meant to be one cure into two cures. Besides, why would they have to figure out the best dispersal method if Orchis was gone? The only reason they needed to disperse the cure quickly was to prevent Orchis from interfering.If Orchis wasn't around, Tony Stark could just hold a press conference and announce "I found the cure for KDS".
And there's any number of reasons why Whirlwind might not have been transferred to Orchis custody yet.Maybe the Henry Gyrich Center was overcrowded or something. As long as he's in custody, I don't think it's that big a deal.

[Clive_Reston]

I think Midnighter's solution makes a lot of sense--in general, I lean toward solutions that make everything fall into place relatively easily. If Krakoan Derangement Syndrome (which has made a handful of people violent) is different from the dormant kill-switch (which simply kills people, potentially anybody who's taken the Krakoan meds, when it's activated), then we have two different conditions that require different antidotes/cures. And if we ignore the precise phrasing of a footnote that refers to the wrong issue anyway, then the X-Men would've had a different thing to figure out how to disperse, presumably to many fewer people, and the chronology problem goes away.

[Clive_Reston]

X-Men: Forever #1 is out this week. (I posted about the potential problems with coming up with a code for it a while back: XFVR is the 2001 series, but that was followed by X-Men Forever (2009) and X-Men Forever 2 (2010). This one's got a colon in its indicia's title, though, so just for the sake of a crumb of clarity beating a loaf of consistency, I propose X:FVR4.) Its first scene takes place in 1899 and includes a splash page with embedded flash-forwards, which raises the delightfully maddening specter of -FB -FF as an abbreviation.

It's followed by a scene set in 1919 that expands on Immortal X-Men #1's first scene. And then, with pages 8-19, we pick up immediately before the end of Immortal X-Men #18 and carry on for a bit. Pages 20 - 27:3 are "later"; 27:4 - 30 are "weeks" after that, very shortly after FotHoX 1 (13-18) > RotPoX 1 (27-30) and apparently shortly before RotPoX 2 (4).

Resurrection of Magneto #3 follows directly on from #2, and raises the possibility that the Shadow King = Annihilation = the First Fallen = the Goblin Force, although it's probably more reasonable to read it as just "the Shadow King assuming other entities' guises." It also perpetuates the bizarre comics trope that "CLEAR!" is a magic word that makes defibrillator paddles work, but that's a whole other thing. (Most of RoMag #1-3 take place in a very brief few minutes during which Ororo's heart isn't beating...)

Invincible Iron Man #16 is the Australian distraction during the actual mutant invasion (whose timeline I imagine will be clearer in a month or so), and is also a formal tribute to Thor #380, fwiw.

Maddie Pryor and Havok turn up briefly in Web of Spider-Man #1, in the Limbo embassy, presumably after all of this is over. And X-Men Unlimited Infinity Comic #131 continues the serial that's apparently going to keep going until the end of Krakoa.

[Michael]

Resurrection of Magneto #3 follows directly on from #2, and raises the possibility that the Shadow King = Annihilation = the First Fallen = the Goblin Force, although it's probably more reasonable to read it as just "the Shadow King assuming other entities' guises."

I don't think that's the intent.
Annihilation says "Perhaps we are legion. Each with our own name and role, yet each aligned."
And the Shadow King says "We're all ourselves here, even if we're also... something else."
And BTW, the Adversary and the Bete Noir are also there. I think all six demons are appearing.

Maddie Pryor and Havok turn up briefly in Web of Spider-Man #1, in the Limbo embassy, presumably after all of this is over.

I'm not ready to assume that yet- let's see how Fall of the House of X ends. However, the Kaine story it leads into features a Druig who has escaped from being imprisoned with Uranos so this is definitely after X-Men Red 16.