The post-Inferno to end of the Krakoa era X-titles thread

[Clive_Reston]

This week’s FCBD titles bring Spider-Man into the X-equation!

The first story in Free Comic Book Day 2022: Avengers/X-Men #1 (its title in the indicia) starts with a flashback to the Avengers 1,000,000 BC era with the Eternals and Odin; then there’s a “recently” scene with the Eternals, Captain America (Rogers) and Iron Man; then a “now” scene with Cyclops being resurrected (and Jack of Knives hidden).

The second story is a Bloodline four-pager (previewing a series due this fall). The third one, though, is also X-relevant: it’s set sometime shortly before the forthcoming Hellfire Gala (apparently the night before it), and follows up on X Deaths of Wolverine… and has Mary Jane Watson (and Anna Watson!) in it.

And Free Comic Book Day 2022: Spider-Man/Venom #1 has a Spider-Man story set at an indeterminate point (though definitely after Hellions #18 and ASM5 #93), as well as a Venom story whose two scenes are “the future” and “weeks from now.” Hm. Notably, there is a “six-month” break after the first page of the new ASM #1…

[Clive_Reston]

Lots this week, plus a bit of catch-up from last week!

X-MEN 11 starts with a -FB to what appears to be shortly before #1; the rest of it is shortly after #10, though there can be a bit of a break if that turns out to be necessary. Iron Man and Captain Marvel appear.

NEW MUTANTS 25 starts a new storyline. Madelyne appears, probably before that FCBD Spider-Man story; there's also a -FB (drawn by Jan Duursema!) that looks like it's between the original MAGIK #2 and 3.

X-MEN RED 2 starts with a four-page -FB that is sometime not long after X-MEN: THE TRIAL OF MAGNETO 5 (and does indeed clear up the Petra-and-Sway problem). The rest of it is not long after #1.

X-FORCE 28 has to follow fairly quickly on the heels of #27, but also some time has passed since "we lost Max" (i.e. Immortal X-Men #1). So there's going to have to be a break somewhere in #27, and between pages 7 and 8 seems like the best place for it, since Magneto's still on the Council in that first scene of #27. [EDITED TO ADD: Oh, duh. Quentin probably doesn't mean Magneto by "Max," he means the baby from #25-26. So we are most likely before Immortal X-Men #1 still, and there does not need to be a break in #27 after all.]

WOLVERINE 21 is right after 20. Easy-peasy. More Deadpool, too. And IMMORTAL X-MEN 2 follows directly from #1.

Worth noting, though not in print: X-Men Unlimited Infinity Comic #35, in which Captain Krakoa appears. Fits nicely somewhere between X-Men 9 and 10.

[Clive_Reston]

This week's LEGION OF X #1 not only commits the Chronology Misdemeanor of acting like publication time is in-story time (Legion has been on top of Olympus Mons for "six months"), it may be the only example I've seen of making in-story time longer than publication time (Lost had Onslaught in her head for "the past three years"... which, since that happened after Krakoa went public, seems sus). It's very good, though. Maggott appears, so it'll be worth keeping an eye on the current X-Men Unlimited Infinite sequence for placement. Also, resurrecting precogs has "only just been permitted," if that gets formalized somewhere else.

[Somebody]

Also for Legion of X #1:

• Hope is a member of the Quiet Council during the meeting Legion interrupts, so after Immortal X-Men #2
• On Arrako/Mars, Storm is wearing the Hellfire Gala costume which she violently rejects at the end of X-Men Red v2 #1, so before that (NB: Immortal X-Men #2 is explicitly before that due to Magneto, there's no contradiction).
• Nightcrawler assumes the spate of burglaries is due to Gambit attention-seeking, so either he's unaware of Gambit leaving for Otherworld, or we're before Knights of X #1

This week's LEGION OF X #1 not only commits the Chronology Misdemeanor of acting like publication time is in-story time (Legion has been on top of Olympus Mons for "six months")

Bear in mind, there was already a two-month jump at the end of Onslaught Revelation, during which Nightcrawler grows a goatee, and even then he only has the idea for the Legionaries, Legion of X begins with them already established.

[Clive_Reston]

Bear in mind, there was already a two-month jump at the end of Onslaught Revelation, during which Nightcrawler grows a goatee, and even then he only has the idea for the Legionaries, Legion of X begins with them already established.

Oh, good call on that visual cue! Nightcrawler has also appeared with goatee in X-Force 27 and 28, and (it looks like) X-Men #9. He's still clean-shaven (relatively speaking) in Inferno, which is 3 or 4 weeks after Onslaught Revelation.

[Clive_Reston]

KNIGHTS OF X 2 is right after #1. Since there's not much else this week, some tentative notes on placement of the X-Men Unlimited Infinity Comics to date:

XUIC 1-4 (a.k.a. "Latitude"), XUIC 5-12 (a.k.a. "X-Men Green" 1-2), XUIC 13-20 (Juggernaut/Deadpool): I'm moving these back to the gap between New Mutants 24 and X-Force 21. Nightcrawler without goatee in "Latitude."

XUIC 21, 27, 34: A continuous three-parter with Madrox and Strong Guy. Putting 'em right after X-Corp 3-5, because why not.

XUIC 22-25: "Longitude," "a few weeks" after XUIC 1-4. Putting these after X-Men 3, which is to say a little while after X Lives/X Deaths, Wolverine 20-21 and X-Force 25-26; Logan's been busy with other stuff.

XUIC 26 is a "St. Patrick's Day" story with Banshee, Black Tom and Siryn, but that could very easily be a topical reference--it can really happen any time when they're all available. XUIC 28 is a Dazzler/Wind Dancer/Shark Girl one-off. XUIC 29-33 is a sequel to 5-12 (more of X-Men Green), and is some time later. I'm putting 'em all in the kind of chronologically mushy period between X-Force 27-28 and Marauders 26-27, though if there are other stories that seem to be happening in March, #26 can go there.

XUIC 35-37 (and beyond) involve Maggott, Emma Frost and the current X-Men team (and are quite good). Scott Summers is Captain Krakoa. Tentatively putting them in the early Destiny of X period, for the sake of publication order.

[Clive_Reston]

Last week's Marauders #3 continues from #2, and Legion of X #2 continues from #1. (Beast with one eye.)

This week's Wolverine #22 continues from #20-21... which is to say very shortly after X Lives/Deaths... which is to say very shortly after Inferno, well before Destiny of X!

X-Men Red #3 is a little while after #2, but not too long. Thunderbird has gotten his new costume (in GSX: Thunderbird) since #1. Most likely before Marauders 1-3 (because of Xandra).

X-Men Unlimited Infinity Comic #38 and 39 continue the Maggott story from 35-37.

This, roughly, is what things look like after Inferno > X Lives/Deaths, thus far:

Wolverine 20-22 (very shortly after X Deaths)
X-Force 25-26 (soon after X Deaths)
S.W.O.R.D. 8
Secret X-Men 1 (this can really be any time after the Gala and before the new Marauders series)
X-Men 2-3
X-Men Unlimited Infinity Comic 22-25 ("a few weeks" after "Latitude")
Death of Doctor Strange: X-Men/Black Knight 1
X-Men 4 ("Devil's Night," sometime relatively soon after Dr. Strange's death)
X-Men Unlimited Infinity Comic 26 (either this or X-Men 4 or both have to have a topical reference as their setting, since this one takes place on "St. Patrick's Day," but here for the sake of numbering; really, it's fine just about any time in the Krakoan era; issues 27 and 34 are continuous from 21, which I'm gonna say is back before Inferno)
X-Men Unlimited Infinity Comic 28
X-Force 27-28 (a bit of time has gone by since 25-26, but Magneto is still on the Council, and X Lives/Deaths is pretty recent; Nightcrawler with goatee)
X-Men Unlimited Infinity Comic 29-33
Marauders 26-27 (Ben Urich is chasing the story but hasn't yet broken it; Emma leaves Hellfire)
X-Men 5-7 (Scott Summers becomes Captain Krakoa; Ben Urich dissuaded; there are two empty seats on the Council, but maybe Destiny and Colossus just weren't there that day)
S.W.O.R.D. 9-11 (the "debacle with Phobos" could be either Way of X 5 or X-Men 6)
Devil's Reign: X-Men 1-3 (the present-day bits, anyway; Scott is Captain Krakoa)
X-Men: The Onslaught Revelation (just the last few pages: Nightcrawler with goatee)
Excalibur 24-26 (it's been "months" since X of Swords)
X-Men 8-10 (Nightcrawler with goatee)
Marauders Annual 1 (new crew is lined up, Emma gives Kate the box)
X-Force Annual 1 (Emma is no longer running Hellfire but there's an active Marauders crew; Beast with one eye)
Immortal X-Men 1-2 (Magneto quits the Council, Hope joins it; Nightcrawler with goatee)
Legion of X 1-2 (Hope is on the Council; Storm in Gala outfit)
X-Men Red 1-2 (Magneto has recently quit the Council, Storm switches costumes)
Giant-Size X-Men: Thunderbird 1 (John Proudstar gets a new costume)
X-Men Red 3 (Thunderbird in new costume; Xandra still on throne)
Marauders 1-3 (Xandra apparently killed)
Knights of X 1-2
X-Men 11
X-Men Unlimited Infinity Comic 35-39 (Scott is Captain Krakoa)
New Mutants 25

[StrayLamb]

Marauders 26-27 (Ben Urich is chasing the story but hasn't yet broken it; Emma leaves Hellfire)
X-Men 5-7 (Scott Summers becomes Captain Krakoa; Ben Urich dissuaded; there are two empty seats on the Council, but maybe Destiny and Colossus just weren't there that day)

Looks like you have it this way around due to Ben Urich, which sounds right, but you previously had them the other way around due to Feilong's outpost..

MARAUDERS 27 is after X-MEN 6 because "Feilong's Martian outpost" is open

Just wondering if they can they be reconciled?

[Clive_Reston]

Just wondering if they can they be reconciled?

Oh, good catch, thank you! There's no reason Marauders 26 and 27 have to be at all continuous, and it's in 26 where Urich's still chasing the story and 27 where Feilong's Martian outpost is open. So putting that X-Men three-parter between them works fine.

[StrayLamb]

Excellent - thanks!

[Clive_Reston]

X-MEN UNLIMITED INFINITY COMIC 40 wraps up the Maggott story that's been running since #35. It fits any time during the Captain Krakoa period...

...which seems to be over as of X-MEN 12. Seems like 11 and 12 should be right before this year's Hellfire Gala, though that should be clearer in a month.

IMMORTAL X-MEN 3 is probably a day or two after #2. Storm is away at an Arakii challenge; it's "weeks" before Judgment Day. Destiny has some visions of the future, one of which is almost certainly from Judgment Day. Opening up the "flash-forward" question again!

NEW MUTANTS 26 and KNIGHTS OF X 3 both continue directly from the previous issues of their respective series (and New Mutants has another flashback to between Magik #2 and 3). The only clue we've got so far for placement of either is a line from Rogue in X-Men 12 ("as you know, right now, my destiny lies elsewhere") that implies that it's after the current Knights of X storyline.

The 8th story in MARVEL'S VOICES: PRIDE (2022) 1 introduces Escapade, includes Emma Frost and Destiny, and ends "to be continued in New Mutants #31."

[Clive_Reston]

This week's X-books clarify some chronology, and necessitate some changes to my tentative order from a few weeks ago...

X-MEN RED #4 is no more than "two days" after the previous issue, and probably the next day. In the meantime, both X-Men #11-12 (or at least the publication of Ben Urich's story) and Marauders #1 (later scenes) to #3 have happened. Also, it's sometime after Black Panther #3-4--and, on examination, Storm has her old (Gala '21) outfit in #3-4 and her new (X-Men Red) outfit in #6, which also seems to be before this issue. Fortunately, there can be a break between Black Panther #4 and 5... On top of all that, Nova mentions the Reckoning (which could be an ongoing or past situation).

(Which reminds me: we have not seen the Summer House in a non-flashback scene for a while; guess it got blown up when the moon got blown up. Somebody's going to have to rebuild the moon soon, right? Or it's going to cause problems for Moon Knight, werewolves, etc.)

X-FORCE #29 continues from #27-28, and takes Quentin Quire off the table for a while. But Quentin's still around as of X-Force Annual #1, in which Emma Frost is no longer running Hellfire but there's an active Marauders crew, so all of them have to be after Marauders v1 #27 and Marauders Annual #1. And X-Force #27-29 also have to be relatively soon after #25-26 and X Lives/X Deaths, which in turn are straightaway after Inferno... so let me tinker with what I had a bit.

SABRETOOTH #4 continues its high-speed slalom through the Krakoan era; pg. 3 coincides with the "plug me in" bit from X Lives of Wolverine #1. Still not certain how much of it is "real," though.

MARVEL'S VOICES INFINITY COMIC #1-4 are an Iceman story (with the Avengers and Christian Frost) that could really be any time around here.

[Clive_Reston]

So, incorporating all the above, plus the bit I'd previously overlooked in X6 4 that notes that Feilong's trip from Earth to Mars takes approximately 19 days, I'm pushing back X-Men through #7 to before Inferno. I also note that Scott's resurrection in X6 7 is the "Krakoa, Now" scene in the Judgment Day FCBD special, which means that Jack of Knives should be BTS in the former...

X-Men (2021) 1 (John Proudstar is spoken about in the past tense)
Hellions 18 (Madelyne resurrected)
(most of) X-Men: The Trial of Magneto 5 (John Proudstar resurrected)
New Mutants 24 (John Proudstar has just been resurrected, Madelyne's around too)
S.W.O.R.D. 8
X-Men 2-3 (Feilong about to leave for Mars)
X-Men Unlimited: Latitude (Nightcrawler clean-shaven)
X-Men Unlimited: X-Men Green 1-2 (might as well have all the trials close together; note that, since this is after the Gala, the ship that appears to be the Marauder is really the Mercury in the form of the Marauder...)
X-Men Unlimited Infinity Comic 13-20 (Juggernaut/Deadpool)
X-Force 21-23 (some indefinite amount of time after the Gala)
Secret X-Men 1 (this can really be any time after the Gala and before the new Marauders series)
Wolverine 14-16 (a few weeks after the Gala--there's a flashback to a month ago with Solem in Madripoor)
X-Corp 3-5
X-Men Unlimited Infinity Comic 21, 27, 34
Wolverine 17-19
Death of Doctor Strange: X-Men/Black Knight 1
X-Men 4 (sometime relatively soon after Dr. Strange's death; Feilong en route to Mars)
Marauders 26 (Ben Urich is chasing the story but hasn't yet broken it)
X-Men 5-7 / FCBD 2022: Avengers/X-Men (1st story) (Scott Summers becomes Captain Krakoa; Ben Urich dissuaded; there are still two empty seats on the Council; Feilong sets up Martian outpost, having spent about 19 days traveling since #3)
Inferno 1-4 / X-Force 24 (4 weeks since Destiny's resurrection immediately after the Gala; Destiny and Colossus join Council; Beast loses an eye; Magik being snarky since everyone already knows Kwannon's a Great Captain)
X Lives of Wolverine 1-5/X Deaths of Wolverine 1-5/The Life of Wolverine Infinity Comic 1-10
Wolverine 20-22 (very shortly after X Deaths)
X-Force 25-26 (soon after X Deaths)
X-Men Unlimited Infinity Comic 22-25 ("a few weeks" after "Latitude")
Marauders 27 (Emma leaves Hellfire; Feilong's Martian outpost is open)
X-Men 8 (not super long after 5-7)
Marauders Annual 1 (new crew is lined up, Emma gives Kate the box)
X-Force Annual 1 (Emma is no longer running Hellfire but there's an active Marauders crew; Beast with one eye; Quentin Quire still around)
X-Force 27-29 (a little while has gone by since 25-26, but Magneto is still on the Council, and X Lives/Deaths is pretty recent; Quentin Quire goes away)
X-Men Unlimited Infinity Comic 26 ("St. Patrick's Day" almost certain to be a topical reference)
X-Men Unlimited Infinity Comic 28
X-Men Unlimited Infinity Comic 29-33
S.W.O.R.D. 9-11 (the "debacle with Phobos" could be either Way of X 5 or X-Men 6)
Devil's Reign: X-Men 1-3 (Scott is Captain Krakoa)
Excalibur 24-26 (it's been "months" since X of Swords)
X-Men: The Onslaught Revelation 1 (29:4 - 30) ("two months" since the rest of the issue, Nightcrawler with goatee)
X-Men 9-10 (Nightcrawler with goatee)
X-Men Unlimited Infinity Comic 35-40 (Scott is Captain Krakoa)
Marvel's Voices Infinity Comic 1-4 (Iceman; can really go anywhere around here)
Black Panther 3-4: Storm in Gala costume
Immortal X-Men 1-2 (Magneto quits the Council, Hope joins it; Nightcrawler with goatee)
Immortal X-Men 3 (not long at all after 2, Storm is "off at another Arakii challenge"; it's "weeks" before Judgment Day)
Legion of X 1-2 (Hope is on the Council; Storm in Gala outfit; Gambit apparently still on Krakoa)
X-Men Red 1-2 (Magneto has very recently quit the Council, Storm switches costumes)
Giant-Size X-Men: Thunderbird 1 (John Proudstar gets a new costume)
Black Panther 5-6 (not long after 3-4, Storm in new costume)
Knights of X 1-3 (Gambit is off to Otherworld)
X-Men Red 3 (Thunderbird in new costume; Xandra still on throne)
Marauders 1-3 (Xandra apparently killed)
X-Men 11-12 (mutant immortality outed in final scene, Rogue's "destiny lies elsewhere")
X-Men Red 4 (no more than 2 days after #3, during which Xandra has been killed and mutant immortality outed)
Free Comic Book Day 2022: Avengers/X-Men (3rd story, just before the 2022 Gala)

[Clive_Reston]

SABRETOOTH 5 clarifies the timeline of the earlier issues--which turns out to have been exactly what it appeared to be, just kind of subjectively perceived and happening slowly across the whole Krakoan era. (So Third Eye, in Sabretooth 4, is BTS in X Lives of Wolverine 1, for instance.)

Which means that Oya, Third Eye, Melter, Madison and Nekra were sentenced to the Pit sometime after Oya's last substantial appearance (X5 8) but before X of Swords (cf. Mole trying to get Apocalypse's attention in Sabretooth #2), so we may have to write off Oya's faint crowd-scene appearance in New Mutants 18 as "somebody else with a similar costume and hairstyle."

The main action of the issue is at some indefinite point after X Lives/X Deaths, and Nanny, Orphan-Maker and Toad (!!!) all turn out to still have been in the Pit since they were sent there. At the end, Mystique and Destiny call for Birdy to be resurrected...

...Which she has been at some point before this week's LEGION OF X 3, which otherwise takes place a day after the previous issue.

[Midnighter]

Again this year as we approach the Hellfire Gala strips are coming out on Marvel social media about the outcome of the vote and the reaction of the losers.
The first two are on Gorgon and Avalanche...
https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/1546539826593284096
... and on Gentle and Micromax.
https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/1546592671615033344