The post-Inferno to end of the Krakoa era X-titles thread

[Clive_Reston]

I don't see any problem yet re: Cloak & Dagger and Typhoid's appearances in Gang War--the whole Gang War sequence pretty clearly is after the current cluster of X-books. And Peter makes lots of jokes...

The X-Men Unlimited 112-117 sequence is after X-Men 26, but there can be a pretty substantial gap before 27.

And does this place before Logan helped Kate and Kamala in X-Men 28-29?

Doesn't really seem to matter. I'm guessing that Synch and Talon's disappearance moves us into the next phase of Duggan's story, and that therefore Wolverine 40 does take place before X-Men 28-29, but it's not yet a big deal either way.

Also, re: Kingpin's "I was attacked by Mystique" comment: he's making up the first lie that comes to mind, so it doesn't matter who knows Mystique's status at that point!

[Clive_Reston]

X-Force #47 opens very shortly after Wolverine #40; then "a week" goes by before the rest of the issue (which includes several "later" captions that could denote a relatively long time).

Immortal X-Men #18's six pages' worth of real-time stuff take place... one ocean voyage later than #17. The White Hot Room is, uh, outside time and space, so all of that is happening [makes vague hand gesture].

Monet turns up at the end of Black Panther #7, presumably after all the X-stuff has settled down, though I suppose we'll see.

[Midnighter]

The impression is that the events of X-Force, Wolverine, and Alpha Flight precede those of the other mutant series, particularly X-Men, Iron Man, Ms. Marvel, Iceman, and Uncanny Spider-Man.

Ms. Marvel appears in Miles Morales: Spider-Man 14 in her X-Men uniform, but the placement of Gang War in relation to the events of Fall of X should be clearer next week with Amazing Spider-Man 41 and the involvement of Wilson Fisk and Typhoid Mary.

[Michael]

Midnighter. X-Force. Wolverine and Alpha Flight do seem to take place earlier but the complicating factor is Phoebe. She's found in X-Force 47 but in Invincible Iron Man one of the reasons Emma is depressed is she doesn't know what happened to Phoebe. Now, Quentin appears to have alerted the other X-Teams to X-Force's location before he found Phoebe but on the other hand, nobody who's actually seen Phoebe alive has shared a scene with Emma yet. We'll have to see how it plays out in future issues- we might have to assume nobody told Emma about Phoebe for a long time after she was found.

[Clive_Reston]

This week's Fall of the House of X jumps forward a bit in time (to Cyclops' trial); we'll see if Fall and Rise provide a framework for other X-books that are coming out now. Thanos #2 indicates that it's happening during the general Fall of X period (with Iron Man in his stealth armor). And X-Men Unlimited Infinity Comic #120 concludes the three-part (post-X-Men Red #18) story, and suggests a future direction for the series... although it's kind of the same future direction that LAST year's holiday story suggested.

But what I really want to talk about this week is Marvel Meow 1, which includes several X-relevant stories...

M/MEOW 1/6 takes place fairly early in the Krakoan era--Logan, Scott, Jean, Beast, Sinister, Xavier, Magneto, Sinister and Dani Moonstar are all present.

M/MEOW 1/10 is set at Strange Academy, when Doctor Strange and Magik are both there.

M/MEOW 1/16 involves Sabretooth, Gambit, Rogue, Lucifer, Oliver and Figaro all hanging out peaceably on Krakoa, which means it would have to be sometime before Sabretooth's appearance in House of X 1--after that, he's either in custody, in the pit or off the island!

M/MEOW 1/17 has Sinister, Cy-Cat and Professor Plod; it can really be any time back when Sinister's lab was up and running.

And speaking of House of X, Marvel Unlimited now has a chronological supercut of HoX/PoX in its entirety!

[Michael]

Fall does seem to take place considerably after Immortal X-Men 18 for Xavier, since Xavier and Rasputin seem to have been working on a plan to stop Enigma for quite some time. It also takes place after X-Men Red 18, since the Arakki Civil War is over, (and presumably after X-Men Unlimited 120 as well.)

[Clive_Reston]

Rise of the Powers of X #1 is... quite a thing. Apparently it is tightly bound up with both Fall of the House of X and X-Men: Forever, in ways that aren't clear yet. In any case, it seems like it's going to involve a lot of alternate timelines.

Wolverine #41 includes an editorial note that it (and presumably the rest of #41-50? We'll see) takes place after X-Force #50 and before Rise/Fall.

X-Men Unlimited Infinity Comic #121 starts an arc that Steve Orlando suggests ( https://aiptcomics.com/2023/12/11/x-men ... ksilver-2/ ) will run for the rest of the Krakoa period. It's set sometime after the end of Realm of X.

Thunderbolts #2 is mostly set at the Hellfire Club at a time when Fisk is running it. Fisk is also commanding Hellfire troops in Amazing Spider-Man #41, in which Typhoid is present.

[Michael]

Rise of the Powers of X #1 is... quite a thing. Apparently it is tightly bound up with both Fall of the House of X and X-Men: Forever, in ways that aren't clear yet. In any case, it seems like it's going to involve a lot of alternate timelines.

Rise of the Powers of X 1 definitely takes place immediately after Fall of the House of X 1 for Xavier and Rasputin. Doug even comments that the X-Men have just started fighting Orchis, which happened at the end of Fall of the House of X 1.

X-Men Unlimited Infinity Comic #121 starts an arc that Steve Orlando suggests ( https://aiptcomics.com/2023/12/11/x-men ... ksilver-2/ ) will run for the rest of the Krakoa period. It's set sometime after the end of Realm of X.

It also takes place after Immortal X-Men 16 ,since Selene was still trying to resurrect Crule in Immortal X-Men 16 and Crule is alive in issue 121.

Note that Ms. Marvel appears in Miles Morales: Spider-Man 14-15 and this is treated like the first time Kamala and Miles have worked a case together since her resurrection. So this should be placed before any other post-Hellfire Gala stories where Kamala and Miles are working together, if possible.

[Clive_Reston]

Okay. So. The new Cable #1 is at some point after the Children of the Vault miniseries, and Old Cable springs Young Cable from his imprisonment. Easy-peasy.

X-Men #30, though, is a HEADACHE--it seems to directly contradict #28 and 29, in terms of where Kamala, Synch and Talon are when. I'm going to hold off on figuring out how its placement works until we get some more information, but at the moment it doesn't seem like either story can take place after the other one.

(However: there was a line in Invincible Iron Man #13 in which Starfox tells Tony "this will settle our debt," and in X-Men #30, Synch and Talon head to Counter-Earth in a ship provided by Starfox, which was presumably the debt in question.)

Invincible Iron Man #14 refers to "recent issues of Carnage," meaning... like a year ago, I think. It picks up right after #13 but includes a break to "many days later," at which point the dwarves have built Tony's ships. Guess we'll see where that goes.

[Midnighter]

Invincible Iron Man #14 refers to "recent issues of Carnage," meaning... like a year ago, I think. It picks up right after #13 but includes a break to "many days later," at which point the dwarves have built Tony's ships. Guess we'll see where that goes.

Yes, Carnage Rules was before the Hellfire Gala, so 10 months before the main events of Fall of X.
Iron Man #14 and X-Men #30 are linked by the Firestar and Orchis sequence, which repeats in both issues, thus placing the events of X-Men 30 (the dialogue between Tony and Angelica and probably also Tony's work on the High Evolutionary device) before the final sequences of Iron Man 14.

[Clive_Reston]

Iron Man #14 and X-Men #30 are linked by the Firestar and Orchis sequence, which repeats in both issues, thus placing the events of X-Men 30 (the dialogue between Tony and Angelica and probably also Tony's work on the High Evolutionary device) before the final sequences of Iron Man 14.

They're not quite the same sequence--in X-Men, she's talking just to Feilong, and in Iron Man, she, Stasis and Feilong are conveying that information to Moira, Nimrod and Omega Sentinel--but they do seem like they should be pretty close together.

[Clive_Reston]

Resurrection of Magneto #1 is sometime after the end of X-Men Red (and Infinity Comic #118-120). X-Men Unlimited Infinity Comic #123 has a footnote that implies that it's taking place during Cyclops' trial, i.e. shortly before Fall of the House of X #1. X-Force #48 has an editorial note saying that it's before Wolverine #41, not to mention FotHoX/RotPoX. And that would be that...

...except that X-Force #48 indicates that the one surviving Cerebro backup of Beast is from circa New Defenders #142. Which means that Xavier was making backups of mutant minds at that point, which is to say before Secret Wars II and before he went off into space. (See viewtopic.php?t=21606 for a discussion of this.) That said, Leoparis quoted Xavier from Powers of X: "Most of the improvements regarding range and sensitivity have been McCoy's doing." So it's conceivable that Xavier was testing backups specifically with Hank before SWII, and didn't upgrade his tech until after he got back.

Why Hank in particular? I recall a bit from NA3 4: "How do you know you are special, Henry?" And it also would make sense that Hank was improving the tech in Xavier's absence, since (as we saw in Immortal X-Men #18) Xavier's got access to whatever other minds he needs when he's building stuff.

[Michael]

I replied to this in the Guru forum but the backups had to come online before the STRIKE agents were killed by Slaymaster.

[Leoparis]

The Guru sanctum is not open to everyone. So until I make a regular post, a number of visitors will not know about our discussion about the HOX/POX X "year one" flashbacks.

Xavier first went into space in X 107 and could have returned with the necessary Shi'ar technology as soon as X 109. This was why I was so uncertain about the events in POX, HOX. When you take the long view, events keep repeating themselves in X-Men history.

I'll look at the specific cases of early resurrection. One hypothesis is that a powerful telepath made a recording of the personality of the mutants involved. In the last X-Men (#30) we see Synch doing just that with the older Laura. After all Cerebro is an extension of Xavier's capabilities.

[Michael]

In the case of the STRIKE agents, Egg says in Excalibur 22, "we looked through the Cerebro files, and you're exactly right. There they were. Backed up and all." There's no obvious way to interpret that other than the STRIKE agents were revived through the Cerebro backups.