M/MC 8 Human Torch vs. Sub-Mariner clash

[RobinHoodMtl]

There is a slight inversion in the lines for Human Torch's POV:

Currently, you have:

HUMAN TORCH/JIM HAMMOND
M/MC 7 (12:6 - 12:7)
M/MC 8
M/MC 8/2 (1 - 11)
SAGASUB 4 (6 - 9:2)-FB
MARVELS 1 (15 - 16)
M/MC 8/2 (12)

To keep this simple, I won't to through a complete analysis of all books retelling that story, but we know that M/MC 8 and M/MC 8/2, if you don't break them down, occur simultaneously where in M/MC 8/2 the Human Torch follows the trails left by the Sub-Mariner in M/MC 8. The ordering listed here works for the Sub-Mariner, but technically, the Human Torch appearance in M/MC 8 is only in the last two pages where he finally attacks the Sub-Mariner on the bridge, after his search for him. Therefore, it should go right after M/MC 8/2 (1 - 11) where he's still looking for him.

I see that you did not break this down to a panel by panel listing, but M/MC 8 (9-10) is about the same as SAGASUB 4 (6 - 9:2)-FB with a few minor new details inserted in the latter. However Marvels 1 is two full-page panels where p15 shows the two opponents DURING the fight and p16 has the Human Torch flying above the city AFTER sending Namor away. I don't know about you but I would split this line.

On a side note, not only was M/MC 8 the first cross-over of Marvel Universe, the two stories told from different POVs is brilliantly handled for the time. One of the best stories of the Golden Age.

[michel]

In M/MC 8/2 (6:1 - 6:2), the Torch watches from afar Namor hurling down the mast of the Empire State Building, this happens in M/MC 7/3 (9:6 - 9:7).

There seems to be mistakes in the page numbers for MARVELS 1, I'll let somebody else correct them.
MARVELS 1 (15:5): at the Bugle, Sheldon learns Namor is on a rampage
MARVELS 1 (16:1): seems to be a FF, Namor and Torch flying on the bridge, that's after the Empire State Building
MARVELS 1 (16:2 - 17:1): Sheldon arrives at the train crash, is pointed toward the Empire State Building, so after M/MC 7/3 (8)
MARVELS 1 (17:2 - 18:1): Sheldon arrives to see the Torch leaving, so between M/MC 8/2 (6) and (7), then talks with Betty Dean.
MARVELS 1 (18:2 - 18:5): Namor and Torch fight at the Statue of Liberty, during M/MC 9

I suggest:

SUB-MARINER/NAMOR MACKENZIE
...
M/MC 7/3 (1)
SAGASUB 4-FB-FB
M/MC 7/3 (2 - 3:2)
SAGASUB 4 (1 - 3:2)-FB
M/MC 7/3 (3:3 - 6:7)
SAGASUB 4 (3:3 - 3:4)-FB
M/MC 7/3 (6:8 - 10) --> CHANGE TO M/MC 7/3 (6:8 - 8)
M/MC 7-BTS <-- MOVE TO HERE
M/MC 7/3 (9:1 - 9:5) <-- ADD
M/MC 7/3 (9:6 - 9:7) ~ M/MC 8/2 (6:1 - 6:2) <-- ADD
M/MC 7/3 (10) <-- ADD
M/MC 7-BTS <-- MOVE FROM HERE
M/MC 8 --> CHANGE TO M/MC 8 (1 - 9:1)
M/MC 8/2 (11:7) <-- ADD
M/MC 8 (9:2) <-- ADD
SAGASUB 4 (6:2:3 - 9:2)-FB <-- ADD
MARVELS 1 (16:1) <-- ADD
M/MC 8 (9:3 - 9:4) <-- ADD
M/MC 8/2 (12:1) <-- ADD
M/MC 8 (9:5 - 9:7) ~ M/MC 8/2 (12:2 - 12:3) <-- ADD
M/MC 8 (10:1) <-- ADD
M/MC 8/2 (12:4) <-- ADD
M/MC 8 (10:2 - 10:4) <-- ADD
M/MC 8 (10:5) ~ M/MC 8/2 (12:5) <-- ADD
M/MC 8/2 (12:6:1:1 - 12:6:1:6) <-- ADD
M/MC 8 (10:6) ~ M/MC 8/2 (12:6:1:7 - 12:6:2) <-- ADD
SAGASUB 4 (6 - 9:2)-FB <-- DELETE
MARVELS 1 (15 - 16) <-- DELETE
M/MC 8/2 <-- DELETE
M/MC 9 (1 - 3)
...

HUMAN TORCH/JIM HAMMOND
...
SAGASUB 3-FB
M/MC 7 (12:6 - 12:7)
M/MC 8 <-- DELETE
M/MC 8/2 (1 - 11) --> CHANGE TO M/MC 8/2 (1 - 5)
M/MC 8/2 (6:1 - 6:2) ~ M/MC 7/3 (9:6 - 9:7)-BTS <-- ADD
M/MC 8/2 (6:3 - 6:8) <-- ADD
MARVELS 1 (17:2) <-- ADD
M/MC 8/2 (7 - 11:6) <-- ADD
M/MC 8 (1 - 9:1) <-- ADD
M/MC 8/2 (11:7) <-- ADD
M/MC 8 (9:2) <-- ADD
SAGASUB 4 (6:2:3 - 9:2)-FB <-- ADD
MARVELS 1 (16:1) <-- ADD
M/MC 8 (9:3 - 9:4) <-- ADD
M/MC 8/2 (12:1) <-- ADD
M/MC 8/2 (12:2 - 12:3) ~ M/MC 8 (9:5 - 9:7) <-- ADD
M/MC 8 (10:1) <-- ADD
M/MC 8/2 (12:4) <-- ADD
M/MC 8 (10:2 - 10:4) <-- ADD
M/MC 8/2 (12:5) ~ M/MC 8 (10:5) <-- ADD
M/MC 8/2 (12:6:1:1 - 12:6:1:6) <-- ADD
M/MC 8/2 (12:6:1:7 - 12:6:2) ~ M/MC 8 (10:6) <-- ADD
SAGASUB 4 (6 - 9:2)-FB <-- DELETE
MARVELS 1 (15 - 16) <-- DELETE
M/MC 8/2 (12) <-- DELETE
M/MC 9 (1 - 3)
...

[RobinHoodMtl]

Good work, michel!