Tales of Suspense 39 Revisited

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Re: Tales of Suspense 39 Revisited

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Thanks for your involvement. I lack time to review the whole post, I just react to a few elements that caught my attention.

Yinsen was kidnapped by Black Widow for Wong-Chu (BW8 6).

Mandarin had arranged that kidnapping for Yinsen to study the Mandarin's rings (IM 274). So that explains the lab. (The lab could also have been there when Wong Chu settled there.)

In 1963 the Cultural Revolution had not started yet, it started in 1966. Anyway, it's a topical event that was already too ancient by IM 267.

2:2:1 refers to the first speech balloon of 2:2. "Pupils responding. No signs of infection or rejection." (The recap and credits page is not counted as a story page.) That code for speech balloons is in the stylebook. Previously 2:2 had been unduly duplicated and separated from IM4 5 (1:3) but it's the same scene with common dialogue. 2:2:1 is dialogue that occurs right before 1:3.

The clothing was not my guide per se. My guide was to avoid breaking sequences and unseemly overlaps between different appearances of both Yinsen and Stark. Splicing variant sequences together does not smooth narrative ruptures in my opinion, it multiplies them. (I applied the same technique for Fury and Cap's first modern meeting.) I think such an approach of keeping sequences separate is valid because some sequences are told by an omniscient narrator while others are memories.
robfj wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 7:37 am But (2:2 - 2:3) is surely a typo for (3:2 - 3:3). However this led Leoparis to complain that 2:2 was in twice as well as 2:3 not belonging. As a result his Yinsen chrono no longer had (3:2 - 3:3) in it at all, and neither did Stray Lamb's 2nd version. Only the mysterious 2:2:1 survived.

[The following is an aside which is out of the scope of the narrow focus of my current investigation. IM4 9 (2:3) belongs with (3:2-3:3) because they have the same background, very different from that of 2:2. I believe they are part of a recorded execution of Yinsen by the Taliban which Stark is watching. IM4 5 doesn't show or mention Yinsen sacrificing himself to buy Stark time. But IM4 9 (2:5) shows him being shot and Stark says he left him because he thought him dead. Yinsen was presumably executed after Stark's escape as punishment for helping him. And the plot of IM4 7-12 revolves around the persons responsible being killed, seemingly by Iron Man. For Stark these panels occur in the present day but for Yinsen they are a flashback to the past. However this means they certainly don't belong near the beginning of his chronology as seen above. They would have to be inserted between him being shot in TOS 39 and his body being taken into the Sons Of Yinsen storyline.]
current Yinsen listing:
BW8 6-FB
IM4 9 (2:2 - 2:3)-FB
IM3 31 (21:2 - 21:4)-FB
IM4 9 (2:2)-FB
IM '00 (10:2 - 10:7)-FB

I now understand when you say 2:2 - 2:3 was probably meant to be 3:2 - 3:3. If I understand correctly the MCP interpreted 3:2 - 3:3 as the fake video which led to the world thinking Pr. Yinsen had died. robjf follows the narration from IM4 7-11 which implies Yinsen was executed after TOS 39 and argues for the videoed execution to occur after TOS 39. But in the Sons of Yinsen storyline IM3 31-32 and Annual 2000, Yinsen's story picks up from TOS 39. So Stark's assumption that the video was made after he left the camp is unwarranted.

So my corrected chrono of Professor Yinsen is:

YINSEN, PR. HO (add PR.)
TOS 40-FB (conference)
BW8 6-FB (kidnapped)
IM4 9 (3:2 - 3:3)-FB (fake video)
IM 274-FB (working on Mandarin's rings)
IM3 31 (21:2 - 21:4)-FB (slave labor)
IM '00 (10:2 - 10:7)-FB (slave labor)
[[[CLICK & DRAG: IM4 9 (2:2:1)-FB
IM4 5 (1:3 - 5:2)-FB
IM 267 (17:4 - 22)-FB
IM 268 (2:5 - 4)-FB
{TOS 39 (1 - 6:4)}
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Re: Tales of Suspense 39 Revisited

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robfj wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 7:37 am Lo, I have laboured mightily and brought forth a (fairly large) mouse.
Indeed! :lol:
robfj wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 7:37 amStray Lamb agrees with himself...
I frequently do that! :willynilly:
robfj wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 7:37 am So my proposed Stark chronology is
TOS 39 (4:8 - 5:1)
IM 267 (17:4 - 18:1)-FB
IM4 5 (2:4 - 2:6)-FB
IM 267 (18:2)-FB
IM4 5 (3:1 - 3:3)-FB
IM 267 (18:3 - 22)-FB
IM 268 (2:5 - 4)-FB
TOS 39 (5:2 - 6:1)
IM4 5 (3:4)-FB
TOS 39 (6:2)
IM4 5 (3:5 - 5:2)-FB
TOS 39 (6:3 - 6:4)
IM 268 (9:1-9:2)-FB-FB

In summary this is built from the common bones of Stray Lamb's 1st proposal and that of Leoparis. TOS 39 (6:1) has been moved back into its original place, supported by some hand-waving justification. I've discarded all the plain repetitions SL dropped in his 2nd proposal. And then I've adjusted some of the remains of IM4 5.
Thanks for chipping in, robfj! :thumbsup:
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Re: Tales of Suspense 39 Revisited

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I'm perfectly happy that my level 1 and level 2 corrections got acknowledged in the revised proposition. Plus I've been delighted to learn that IM4 9 (2:2 - 2:3)-FB for Yinsen had been a typo for IM4 9 (3:2 - 3:3)-FB.

I knew my level 3 suggestions might not get adopted and I gladly defer to StrayLamb and robfj for the Stark/Yinsen interaction sequence.
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