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Captain America 750 flashbacks

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The first story is "Several months ago" and has a "Five hours earlier" sequence but it is mostly contemporary.

Third story "Reflections"
Synopsis: Sam Wilson gives a speech on how he managed to lead the Avengers, covering his history with the team.

2:1 This conversation between Cap and Falcon is quite similar to Avengers 183 page 8, except they're in costume. Either a misremembering or they have a similar conversation between 183 and 184.
2:2 This scene with Falcon and Hawkeye seems to be an alternate to Avengers 185 page 2.
(Note: You could fit them out of sequence if you imagine that sequence: A 183 (8) in civvies Steve convinces Sam [they put on their costume and go to Avengers Mansion] > Arriving there Falcon apologizes to Hawkeye who is leaving CA 750/3 (2:2) > Cap and Falcon discuss it further in the meeting room CA 750 (2:1) > Clint goes to the harbor to give his farewell to Wanda A 183 (11) > A 184 (7) Cap & Falcon have been gone for two hours when they come out to fill the papers
It's a strain as per A 184 Cap & Falcon were out of the mansion since they did not know about the Avengers alert about the Absorbing Man.)

2:3 fighting elementals (= A 188, circa pages 12-13)
2:4 Falcon having doubts in the quinjet (after A 188), Beast and Ms. Marvel are visible and the other Avengers must be OP. NEW SCENE
2:5 Falcon vs Grey Gargoyle = A 191 page 13
3:1 Falcon resigns from Avengers = Avengers 194 page 3 (shortening and combining four panels into one)
3:2 Falcon flies away = Avengers 194 page 4
3:3 Falcon in Haiti in his original costume (no such story to my knowledge)
3:4 Falcon flying away with a bomb (?)
3:5 Falcon as Captain America (generic)
3:6 generic group shot with Ewing's Mighty Avengers

Fourth story "The Hero"
Synopsis: Cap remembers Arnie Roth's life story
1:3 - 3:1 first meeting Arnie Roth (Steve's mother is a widow) (before CA7 3-FB where they know each other already)
3:2 dining with the Roths = CA 270 (6:2)
3:3 teenagers (after mother's death) = CA 270 (6:3)
3:4 meeting Roth after US enter war = right after CA 270 (6:4)
3:5 Roth appearing on his doorstep = CA 270 (3 - 4)
3:6 Roth and Steve reacquainting = CA 270 (4 - 5)
3:7 Roth, Steve Michael = CA 270 (22:3)
3:8 Arnim Zola Zemo = CA 277 (1)
3:9 Mother Superior = CA 290 or 295
3:10 working with Steve = CA 428
4:1 dying from cancer = CA 442 or 443
Note: the writer is on a strict four years to one basis as he claims CA 443, Sep 1995, was seven years ago.

Fifth story "Then and Now"
Synopsis: Jarvis narrates what it has been like for Captain America to discover the modern world (similar ground as Captain America: Man Out of Time #3). The present section requires a time when Cap and Black Widow were Avengers in Avengers Mansion, but after Danvers became Captain Marvel!)
1:1 waking up among Avengers (Avengers 4 page 5?, the background is wrong)
1:2 walking under UN building (Avengers 4 page 9)
1:3 1:4 visiting Vietnam memorial (can be after CA:MOOT 4 page 10)
2:1 fighting original Baron Zemo (generic scene, does not match any scene in Avengers #6 or #7)
2:2 Iron Man wireless phone (ca CA:MOOT 3, between pages 5 and 6)
2:3 seeing Moon landing broadcast (ca CA:MOOT 3, possibly between pages 16 & 17 when leaving the Smithsonian)
2:4 photographed for Instagram
3:1 Falcon (original green costume) Hate-Monger Red Skull (cannot have happened, as Hate-Monger and Red Skull met in 1977 just after SVTU 12, well after Falcon got his red costume, CA 144, Dec 1971) allegorical for fighting prejudice
3:2 Sam mentioning African-Americans "elected to Congress, the Supreme Court, even the presidency" (between CA 272 & 275?)
3:3 alongside Captain Marvel (Danvers) and Rhodey?
3:4 alongside Northstar (generic)
4 Spider-Man Batroc Jarvis, Black Widow (mentioned) Spider-Man in classic costume does not seem to know the Avengers have a butler but the appearance of Captain Marvel (Danvers) means this is post-2012 so maybe Spider-Man is Ben Reilly during the Beyond era? Except this does not fit with Jarvis as butler or this is just Jarvis in the bar seen in Wasp (2023) #1).

The sixth story also belongs to the current run, maybe at the beginning.

Seventh story "One Lucky Shot"
Synopsis: In "coldest day of winter" Cap is shot by a Hydra agent and disappears into the freezing water, Brooklyn kids recover his shield
(When have we had a snowy winter in NYC in Marvel Comics post-Secret Empire?)

Suggested additions:
BATROC, GEORGES
?
CA 750/5

BEAST/ HENRY MCCOY
A 188
CA 750/3 (2:4)-FB
A@ 9

BLACK WIDOW/NATALIA "NATASHA ROMANOFF" ROMANOVA
?
CA 750/5-BTS

CAPTAIN AMERICA/ STEVE ROGERS
CA6 19 (7)-FB
CA 750/4 (1:3 - 3:1)-FB
CA7 3-FB
...
A 5 (1 - 3:3)
CA:MOOT 3 (1 - 5)
CA 750/5 (2:2)-FB
CA:MOOT 3 (6 - 16)
CA 750/5 (2:3)-FB
CA:MOOT 3 (17 - 22)
...
A 7
CA:MOOT 4 (6:3 - 10)
CA 750/5 (1:3 - 1:4)-FB
CA:MOOT 4 (11 - 12:1)
ST 123/2-BTS
...
CA 272
CA 750/5 (3:2)-FB
CA 273

CAPTAIN MARVEL/CAROL DANVERS
?
CA 750/5-FB

FALCON/ SAMUEL WILSON
A 188
CA 750/3 (2:4)-FB
A 189
...
CA 272
CA 750/5 (3:2)-FB
CA 275

IRON MAN/ANTHONY STARK
CA:MOOT 3 (1 - 5)
CA 750/5 (2:2)-FB
CA:MOOT 3 (6 - 22)

JARVIS, EDWIN
CA 750/5
WASP 1

MS. MARVEL/ CAROL DANVERS
A 188
CA 750/3 (2:4)-FB
A@ 9-BTS

ROTH, ARNOLD
CA 750/4 (1:3 - 3:1)-FB
CA7 3-FB

SPIDER-MAN/ ?
?
CA 750/5
?

Edited on Wed Oct 25, 2023 12:25 pm
Edited on Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:47 am to add -FB tags
Last edited by Leoparis on Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:47 am, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: Captain America 750 flashbacks

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Leoparis wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 10:48 am Fifth story "Then and Now"
Synopsis: Jarvis narrates what it has been like for Captain America to discover the modern world (similar ground as Captain America: Man Out of Time #3). The present section requires a time when Cap and Black Widow were Avengers in Avengers Mansion, but after Danvers became Captain Marvel!)
1:1 waking up among Avengers (Avengers 4 page 5?, the background is wrong)
1:2 walking under UN building (Avengers 4 page 9)
1:3 1:4 visiting Vietnam memorial (can be after CA:MOOT 4 page 10)
2:1 fighting original Baron Zemo (generic scene, does not match any scene in Avengers #6 or #7)
2:2 Iron Man wireless phone (ca CA:MOOT 3, between pages 5 and 6)
2:3 seeing Moon landing broadcast (ca CA:MOOT 3, possibly between pages 16 & 17 when leaving the Smithsonian)
2:4 photographed for Instagram
3:1 Falcon (original green costume) Hate-Monger Red Skull (cannot have happened, as Hate-Monger and Red Skull met in 1977 just after SVTU 12, well after Falcon got his red costume, CA 144, Dec 1971) allegorical for fighting prejudice
3:2 Sam mentioning African-Americans "elected to Congress, the Supreme Court, even the presidency" (between CA 272 & 275?)
3:3 alongside Captain Marvel (Danvers) and Rhodey?
3:4 alongside Northstar (generic)
4 Spider-Man Batroc Jarvis, Black Widow (mentioned) Spider-Man in classic costume does not seem to know the Avengers have a butler but the appearance of Captain Marvel (Danvers) means this is post-2012 so maybe Spider-Man is Ben Reilly during the Beyond era? Except this does not fit with Jarvis as butler or this is just Jarvis in the bar seen in Wasp (2023) #1).
The whole story may be a flashback with Jarvis' narrator voice telling it in the present.
The dinner scene (which directly follows the confrontation with Batroc along with Spidey) may be a flashback prior to the scene with Carol Danvers.
And I don't think the pilot with Steve and Carol is Rhodes, he is a young man hoping to double his flying hours, Rhodey should be well beyond that level.
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