SECRET EMPIRE to WAR of the REALMS

[StrayLamb]

MK 197-200 maybe should go after the return of the Fantastic Four and knowledge of their return becomes public (if these are separate events?). In MK 200, Diatrice makes a comic book where she has future adventures as Moon Girl with Marc and her mother, suggesting that one day they could possibly have a whole family like the Fantastic Four. This may make more sense if the FF have returned, and are not still considered to be dead.

[StrayLamb]

FCBD2018:ASM has Peter getting a new apartment, this time with roommates (hi, Randy!). Kingpin appears and he’s NYC mayor. A footnote says this is before DD 601, but that’s to account for the Kingpin being hospitalized over in DD’s book. ASM5 1 and DD 605 were published the same month, and Kingpin resumed his new normal in DD 605. So, you know, I might ignore that footnote.

Do we really need to ignore this footnote? It seems that FCBD2018:ASM could easily be placed after ASM 797-801 and prior to DD 598-605 without causing any problems.

Also, the new Electro, Francine Frye, says that Max Dillon is dead in FCBD2018:ASM (May 18). Max appears in DDP 297 (June 18), although Francine (and Nick Spencer) may not have been aware of Max's unexplained return.

[StrayLamb]

Suggestion re TSIM 1 & 2. Issue 2 takes place a week after issue 1. Perhaps we could place issue 1 before the annuals, keeping issue 2 in its current spot, after the annuals. ASTONX@2 1 takes place over three days, monday to wednesday. SM@ 1 mostly takes place in the past, if it's even cannon to E-616. C&DP@ 1 involves time-travel.

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TSIM 1
ASTONX@2 1
SM@ 1
C&DP@ 1
TSIM 2
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[StrayLamb]

Regarding the placement of ASM5 1-FB. It seems likely that Mayor Fisk would offer Spidey the Key to the City shortly after the events of ASM@ 42, so ASM5 1-FB could probably be placed very shortly after ASM 796 or ASM@ 42/2. Also, Fisk's aid mentions that he's all but declared war on the costumed heroes, so this is likely before OML 36 and DD 598-604, where Fisk's war on vigilantes is in full swing.

[Siabod]

Hey, just after a clarification

Is DAZZ3 1 for Dazzler: X-Song Vol 1 #1

[StrayLamb]

Yep, that's the one.

[Clive_Reston]

USQG2 41 specifically happens between ASM5 2 and 5, when Peter and Spider-Man are separate entities--I'm going to say between 4 and 5 is a good place to put it. (Also, She-Hulk and Thor are an item, but that doesn't seem to be a problem.) That definitely moves earlier issues to before Uncanny X-Men #1, at least.

[Somebody]

Today's Immortal Hulk #14 has a note on the letters page that both Hulkverines and Avengers: No Road Home take place between #13 & #14. (Hulkverines is also briefly referenced in the course of the issue)

[Col_Fury]

Now that WAR of the REALMS has started we’re seeing what the cutoff point is for some of the books. That’s good, because we’re getting a better idea of what our endpoint is for this portion of Marvel history.

At the very least, we know that these books happen before WAR of the REALMS:

ASGARDIANS OF THE GALAXY #5-7
AVENGERS v7 #11-17
AVENGERS: NO ROAD HOME #1-10
CAPTAIN MARVEL v9 #1-5
CAPTAIN MARVEL: BRAVER & MIGHTIER #1
CHAMPIONS v3 #1-4
DEADPOOL v7 #8-12
DOMINO v3 #7-10
EXILES v4 #1-12
FANTASTIC FOUR v6 #5-9
FANTASTIC FOUR WEDDING SPECIAL v2 #1
HULKVERINES #1-3
ICEMAN v4 #1-5
IMMORTAL HULK #11-13 (before A:No Road Home, which is before WotR)
INFINITY WARS #∞
MAN WITHOUT FEAR #1-5
MOON GIRL & DEVIL DINOSAUR #38-42
Ms. MARVEL v4 #36-38
SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN v2 #1-6
THOR v5 #8-11
TONY STARK: IRON MAN #5-11
UNBEATABLE SQUIRREL GIRL v2 #36-42
UNCANNY X-MEN v5 #2-15 (#15 is legacy #634, UX:WotR #1 is legacy #635)
UNCANNY X-MEN ANNUAL v5 #1
UNCANNY X-MEN: WINTER’S END #1
UNSTOPPABLE WASP v2 #1-5
VENOM v4 #7-12
WOLVERINE: THE INFINITY WATCH #1-5 (referenced in issues of Thor v5)

I’m hoping to get caught up on this stuff, and I know there’s some reshuffling that needs to happen. Fingers crossed!

[Somebody]

UNCANNY X-MEN v5 #2-15 (#15 is legacy #634, UX:WotR #1 is legacy #635)

Yes and no. You're right in that the break is between #15 & 16... but they messed up the "legacy" numbering. #16 says #635, should be #638.

[StrayLamb]

At the very least, we know that these books happen before WAR of the REALMS:

ASGARDIANS OF THE GALAXY #5-7
AVENGERS v7 #11-17
AVENGERS: NO ROAD HOME #1-10

Some more Legacy numbering..

ASGARDIANS OF THE GALAXY #5-7
AVENGERS v7 #11-17 [Legacy #701-707]
AVENGERS: NO ROAD HOME #1-10 [Legacy #708-717]
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[Col_Fury]

CA8 7 says that Cap met with Ross “last Thursday” while Ross was in town for a United Nations conference. This can’t be the same time they met in CA8 2; that was the world conference for mayors in Chicago. That means there’s a big break between CA8 5-6. Good.

So, “last Thursday” Ross was still alive. Ross’ body is found in CA8 6. Ross’ spirit is in hell in IMMH 11-13, and Bruce is surprised that Ross has died, so CA8 6 must be recent. Less than a week after CA8 6, Cap turns himself in in CA8 7. Ross’ funeral is then seen in IMMH 14. Cap is early in his prison time in CA8 8, and by CA8 9 Cap has been in prison for two months (!).

References in IMMH 14 to Hulkverines #1-3 (that Cortez thing) and Avengers: No Road Home #1-10 (photos of Hulk and space raccoons) means that they both happen between IMMH 13-14 (also, the letters page says that as well), so we’re likely looking at:

IMMH 4-8 (after WH 12)
SS:BD 1, N:BD 1, DS:BD 1, IMMH:BD 1, DEF:BD 1
CA8 6 (Ross dies)
IMMH 9-13 (Ross’ spirit recently in hell)
A:NRH 1-10
Hulkverines #1-3
CA8 7 (less than a week after CA8 6, Cap learns Ross is dead)
IMMH 14 (Ross’ funeral, so about a week after CA8 6)
CA8 8 (a few days or so after CA8 7, no appearances for Cap until CA8 9)
……
CA8 9 (two months after CA8 8, no appearances for Cap since CA8 8)

Also, if I haven’t mentioned it before, Immortal Hulk is absolutely fantastic. Really good stuff.

[StrayLamb]

I think i’ve suggested previously that the ASM5 1 (10-12)-FB should probably go just after ASM@ 42/2. I would like to suggest the following sequence of events in ASM5 1 flashbacks, the Spider-Man FCBD, and issues of Daredevil and Old Man Logan, leading up to DD 600.

OML2 31-35 [Logan still in the Orient]
FCBD2018:ASM (1-9:2) [Pete & Randy look for a flat; Boomerang, Electro, Rhino & Big Wheel rob a museum]
ASM5 1 (4:3)-FB [Boomerang breaks free of the police]
FCBD2018:ASM (9:3) [Boomerang jets off]
ASM5 1 (4:4)-FB [Spidey lets Boomerang go]
FCBD2018:ASM (9:3) [Spidey swings off, finds Randy has taken a flat, & sublet a room to Boomerang]
DD 595-587 [Fisk begins his war on vigilantes in earnest; Matt sworn in as Deputy Mayor; Muse escapes & creates a mural]
OML2 41 (1-3)-FB [Kraven buys Logan’s severed hand]
OML2 36-38 [Logan returns to NYC to find Fisk’s war on vigilantes in full swing]
SENTRY3-FB
DD 598-605 [Over the past five nights, Muse has created five more murals]

All of this appears to take place in short order. Currently we have DD 595-596, then DD 597, and DD 598-605 all separated by long intervals, but I believe it works better keeping this all pretty tight.

[StrayLamb]

X:R 9 continues from #8's cliffhanger ending and shows no signs of stopping. Again, probably before X23v4 1-5 where Laura's already stopped going by "Wolverine."

X23v4 #1-5 happens on August 31/September 1 (“Evan Rachel Wood’s birthday is next week”) and lasts two days. Laura is no longer going by “Wolverine” and is going by “X-23” again. So, after at least the initial X:R arc. nu-Angel appears, so before Extermination.

In these couple of posts, Col-Fury suggested that X23v4 1-5 should go after X:R 1-9, but it's ended up in the listing way before X:R, possibly because of the Aug 31/Sept 1 placement, which is based on the Evan Rachel Wood's birthday reference.

In theory, X-23 should go after Return of Wolverine, otherwise why would Laura go back to using X-23?

Sidenote/Personal Gripe: Why would Laura go back to using X-23 ever again anyway, considering the past it identifies her with is something the entire All-New Wolverine series dealt with Laura putting behind her. Gah!

The X-Men Red thru Return of Wolverine section currently looks like this:

X:R 4 (14-20), X:R 5-11 (bearded Nightcrawler, Gambit appears) (Avengers, no Strange)
DOMINO@ 1 (after WX3 22?) (bearded Nightcrawler)
EXTRMNTN 1-5 (Cable dies) ("Searebro" still in Atlantis, destroyed)
X:EXTRNTD 1
NM:DS 3-6 (after EXTRMNTN, before ASTONX4 13-17)
HFW:DE 1 (bearded Nightcrawler)
ASTONX4 13-17 (after HFW:DE, EXTRMNTN, NM:DS, before ROW, MR&MRSX 6)
ROW 1-5 ("Searebro" gone, back to using Cerebro) (#hotclaws Wolverine)
MR&MRSX 6-??? (Rogue back in action) (before UX5 1)

Appearing in X-23 1-5 are nu-Angel, placing it before Extermination, and Rogue, but we don't see her in action. Nightcrawler is bearded (the current placement has it way before Kurt grows his beard).

Return of Wolverine says it has to go after Extermination due to Searebro being gone.

So X-23 apparently has to go after Return of Wolverine, even though that leaves Laura with no reason whatsoever to go back to using the X-23 code-name. I think it should still be placed within this grouping of comics, despite the Evan Rachel Wood's birthday reference, which may have to be put down as a topical reference.

I suggest the following placement, as this all at least occurs in short order..

{Edit - Looks like we need to separate out X:BLK-EFROST from the rest of the X-Men Black episodes, as this one has a full-bearded Nightcrawler, and Rogue is wearing gloves, so likely after she's back in action. Separating out this issue also works for the Apocalypse back-up as some time went past during part 4}

X:R 4 (14-20), X:R 5-11 (bearded Nightcrawler, Gambit appears) (Avengers, no Strange)
DOMINO@ 1 (after WX3 22?) (bearded Nightcrawler)
X23v4 1-5 [late-August/early-September]
EXTRMNTN 1-5 (Cable dies) ("Searebro" still in Atlantis, destroyed)
X:EXTRNTD 1
NM:DS 3-6 (after EXTRMNTN, before ASTONX4 13-17)
HFW:DE 1 (bearded Nightcrawler)
ASTONX4 13-17 (after HFW:DE, EXTRMNTN, NM:DS, before ROW, MR&MRSX 6)
ROW 1-5 ("Searebro" gone, back to using Cerebro) (#hotclaws Wolverine)
MR&MRSX 6-??? (Rogue back in action) (before UX5 1)
X:BLK-EFROST (bearded Nightcrawler; Rogue may be powered)

[Somebody]

UNSTOPPABLE WASP v2 #1-5

Hercules' guest spot in U-Wasp v2 #7, boisterous and referencing Olympus in the present tense, certainly makes it appear that it takes place before A: No Road Home. (There's a lot of cameos in this issue tho, so could potentially be complicated. Sam-not-Nova appears, so presumably before he leaves for space, but Nadia's still referenced as being on a mental-health break from the Champions in the first WotR tie-in of that series.)

Also, the Expo in U-Wasp v2 #8 was scheduled for "two weeks from today" after U-Wasp v2 #1, since NYCC(!) had the dates they'd wanted at the Javits Center.

MR&MRSX 6-??? (Rogue back in action) (before UX5 1)

It appears that UX5 1-11 occur during the Mojoverse arc in this book. (The preview for #11 references the events, including Cyclops' call to arms).